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Anonymous   05-12-2004 at 11:41:34 AM

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All things being equal, does a CAV laser disc produce a better image than
a DVD?

Thanks...Curtin/Dobbs

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Anonymous   05-12-2004 at 11:47:21 AM
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"Curtin/Dobbs" <bodi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:iOioc.75793$kh4.4363268@attbi_s52...
> All things being equal, does a CAV laser disc produce a better image
than
> a DVD?
>
> Thanks...Curtin/Dobbs
>
>
Its a tough question especially since all things can never be equal when
comparing CAV LDs(analog) to DVD(digital). 1st of all, DVDs have up to
720x480/720x576 resolution, which was not possible with LDs. Personally, I
have never seen a well done DVD that did not outperform a well done LD...

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Anonymous   05-12-2004 at 05:52:19 PM
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"Curtin/Dobbs" <bodi@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> All things being equal, does a CAV laser disc produce a better image
than
> a DVD?

No.

There is very little difference between a CLV and a CAV disc in terms of
perceptible picture quality. Laserdisc is still laserdisc.

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Anonymous   05-12-2004 at 12:03:31 PM
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"Curtin/Dobbs" <bodi@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> All things being equal, does a CAV laser disc produce a better image
than
> a DVD?

No, because DVD has superior resolution and color fidelity.

Mike

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Anonymous   05-12-2004 at 02:19:17 PM
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["Followup-To:" header set to alt.video.dvd.]
On Wed, 12 May 2004 06:03:31 -0700, Mike Kohary <spam@be.gone> wrote:
>"Curtin/Dobbs" <bodi@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:iOioc.75793$kh4.4363268@attbi_s52...
>> All things being equal, does a CAV laser disc produce a better image
>than
>> a DVD?

>No, because DVD has superior resolution and color fidelity.
Only if you consider NTSC the final goal of video playback.

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Anonymous   05-13-2004 at 04:06:13 AM
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All things being equal...how do we approach that? The Denon DVD-1600 is one of
the best players ever produced in terms of video quality. It'll easily trump
many machines costing more than twice as much, but it retailed for $329. How do
we choose which LD player to compare it to? Is it fair to force a $329 DVD
player to compete aganist machines that cost over $1,000 at new? In any case,
this is debateable. LDs never suffered with the artifacting problems that DVDs
can have, and AFAIK never had to deal with the Chroma Upsampling Error that the
vast majority of DVD players exhibit. But some LD players did a much better job
of elminating noise than others, and crosstalk, etc...Assuming that the display
device, viewing conditions, cable quality, etc... remain static, which two
players are used makes a difference. A DVD-1600 and HLD-X9 would make a great
comparison, theoretically. But wether you're running the Denon in Progressive
mode or not will affect the performance. And if the movie you are using
happened to be very well mastered on LD and very poorly so on DVD, it will make
a difference. You could have 10 people conduct this test and get 10 varied
results.

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Anonymous   05-13-2004 at 05:21:40 AM
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"TCS" <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote in message
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>> >> All things being equal, does a CAV laser disc produce a better
image
> >than
> >> a DVD?
>
> >No, because DVD has superior resolution and color fidelity.
>
> Only if you consider NTSC the final goal of video playback.

Your answer is a non-sequitor. DVD and laserdisc are both NTSC, and of
the two DVD has superior resolution and color fidelity.

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Anonymous   05-13-2004 at 07:19:22 AM
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On Wed, 12 May 2004 23:21:40 GMT, "Joshua Zyber"
<jzyber@SPAMMERS-DROP-DEAD.mindspring.com> wrote:

>Your answer is a non-sequitor. DVD and laserdisc are both NTSC, and of
>the two DVD has superior resolution and color fidelity.

I like people who can use "non-sequitur" correctly in a sentence. And
who can write a succinct and correct answer. Nicely done!

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Anonymous   05-13-2004 at 09:15:51 AM
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Are you comparing the best LD has to offer against an average dvd? That
certainly seems a bit unfair. And, remember, we're comparing players that
were built in the 90's against brand new DVD players. 5 years can be an
eternity in technology. If LD players were in still production, pioneer
might have a better player by now.

And you certainly can't compare any films that have been "remastered" for
DVD, use source material of different quality, or have different people
doing the "mastering". On a side note, I have no idea what mastering
involves...

My laserdiscs STILL look much better than my direct TV though.

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Anonymous   05-13-2004 at 01:02:45 PM
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No!

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"Curtin/Dobbs" <bodi@comcast.net> wrote in message
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: All things being equal, does a CAV laser disc produce a better image
than
: a DVD?
:
: Thanks...Curtin/Dobbs
:
:

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Anonymous   05-13-2004 at 03:20:46 PM
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Yes! Just pick a movie that isn't available on DVD.



On Thu, 13 May 2004 07:02:45 -0700, Richard C. <post-age@spamcop.net> wrote:
>No!

>=========
>"Curtin/Dobbs" <bodi@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:iOioc.75793$kh4.4363268@attbi_s52...
>: All things being equal, does a CAV laser disc produce a better image
>than
>: a DVD?
>:
>: Thanks...Curtin/Dobbs
>:
>:

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Anonymous   05-13-2004 at 04:30:09 PM
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In article <h6j5a05u54utnf036eavir6ncev3cnnppu@4ax.com>,
Karyudo <karyudo_usenet@yahoo.com.remove.me> wrote:

> On Wed, 12 May 2004 23:21:40 GMT, "Joshua Zyber"
> <jzyber@SPAMMERS-DROP-DEAD.mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >Your answer is a non-sequitor. DVD and laserdisc are both NTSC, and of
> >the two DVD has superior resolution and color fidelity.
>
> I like people who can use "non-sequitur" correctly in a sentence. And
> who can write a succinct and correct answer. Nicely done!
>

Agree, except to note that non sequitur shouldn't be hyphenated.

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Anonymous   05-13-2004 at 06:05:58 PM
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TCS <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote in message news:<slrnca492l.ila.The-Central-Scrutinizer@linux.client.comcast.net>...
> ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.video.dvd.]
> On Wed, 12 May 2004 06:03:31 -0700, Mike Kohary <spam@be.gone> wrote:
> >"Curtin/Dobbs" <bodi@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >news:iOioc.75793$kh4.4363268@attbi_s52...
> >> All things being equal, does a CAV laser disc produce a better image
> than
> >> a DVD?
>
> >No, because DVD has superior resolution and color fidelity.
> Only if you consider NTSC the final goal of video playback.

Uh, someone asked about Laserdisc and DVD so NTSC is the only consideration here.

Smaug69

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Anonymous   05-14-2004 at 01:27:38 AM
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Smaug69 <smaug86@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:5fe774aa.0405131105.12d4ce41@posting.google.com...
> TCS <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote in message
news:<slrnca492l.ila.The-Central-Scrutinizer@linux.client.comcast.net>...
> > ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.video.dvd.]
> > On Wed, 12 May 2004 06:03:31 -0700, Mike Kohary <spam@be.gone> wrote:
> > >"Curtin/Dobbs" <bodi@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > >news:iOioc.75793$kh4.4363268@attbi_s52...
> > >> All things being equal, does a CAV laser disc produce a better image
> > than
> > >> a DVD?
> >
> > >No, because DVD has superior resolution and color fidelity.
> > Only if you consider NTSC the final goal of video playback.
>
> Uh, someone asked about Laserdisc and DVD so NTSC is the only consideration here.
>
> Smaug69

Why do you think so?

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Anonymous   05-13-2004 at 09:09:50 PM
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"Curtin/Dobbs" <bodi@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<iOioc.75793$kh4.4363268@attbi_s52>...
> All things being equal, does a CAV laser disc produce a better image than
> a DVD?

Stillframe is irrelevant because CAV only holds 30 minutes a side,
meaning side breaks and disc breaks.

I have both and I haven't turned on my LD player in YEARS. The last
time was to watch the Star Wars set...

- Jordan

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Anonymous   05-14-2004 at 06:31:22 AM
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On Thu, 13 May 2004 10:30:09 -0700, Paul Jepperson
<pauljep@winfirst.com> wrote:

>In article <h6j5a05u54utnf036eavir6ncev3cnnppu@4ax.com>,
> Karyudo <karyudo_usenet@yahoo.com.remove.me> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 12 May 2004 23:21:40 GMT, "Joshua Zyber"
>> <jzyber@SPAMMERS-DROP-DEAD.mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Your answer is a non-sequitor. DVD and laserdisc are both NTSC, and of
>> >the two DVD has superior resolution and color fidelity.
>>
>> I like people who can use "non-sequitur" correctly in a sentence. And
>> who can write a succinct and correct answer. Nicely done!
>>
>
>Agree, except to note that non sequitur shouldn't be hyphenated.

Ah, you're right. No hyphen in ad-hoc or anno-domini, either...

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Anonymous   05-14-2004 at 06:51:53 AM
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TCS wrote:
> Yes! Just pick a movie that isn't available on DVD.
>

What part of "all things being equal" didn't you understand?

Matthew

--
If the war in Iraq was over oil, we lost.

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Anonymous   05-14-2004 at 07:41:28 AM
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>What part of "all things being equal" didn't you understand?

It doesn't really matter. Such conditions do not exist, and being tottally
hypothetcial, any answer is correct.

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Anonymous   05-14-2004 at 09:53:15 AM
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"Smaug69" <smaug86@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> TCS <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote in message
news:<slrnca492l.ila.The-Central-Scrutinizer@linux.client.comcast.net>...
> > ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.video.dvd.]
> > On Wed, 12 May 2004 06:03:31 -0700, Mike Kohary <spam@be.gone> wrote:
> > >"Curtin/Dobbs" <bodi@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > >news:iOioc.75793$kh4.4363268@attbi_s52...
> > >> All things being equal, does a CAV laser disc produce a better
image
> > than
> > >> a DVD?
> >
> > >No, because DVD has superior resolution and color fidelity.
> > Only if you consider NTSC the final goal of video playback.
>
> Uh, someone asked about Laserdisc and DVD so NTSC is the only
consideration here.
>
> Smaug69

LDs also had PAL releases, so why is NTSC the only consideration?

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Anonymous   05-14-2004 at 11:49:18 AM
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"Biz" <biznospam@att.net> wrote in message news:<LoXoc.54611$Ut1.1477795@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...

<snip>

> LDs also had PAL releases, so why is NTSC the only consideration?


Because the OP is from the US.

Smaug69

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Anonymous   05-14-2004 at 11:50:22 AM
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"Hugh Candlin" <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:<K_Poc.52123$Ut1.1438757@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
> Smaug69 <smaug86@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:5fe774aa.0405131105.12d4ce41@posting.google.com...
> > TCS <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote in message
> news:<slrnca492l.ila.The-Central-Scrutinizer@linux.client.comcast.net>...
> > > ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.video.dvd.]
> > > On Wed, 12 May 2004 06:03:31 -0700, Mike Kohary <spam@be.gone> wrote:
> > > >"Curtin/Dobbs" <bodi@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > > >news:iOioc.75793$kh4.4363268@attbi_s52...
> > > >> All things being equal, does a CAV laser disc produce a better image
> than
> > > >> a DVD?
>
> > > >No, because DVD has superior resolution and color fidelity.
> > > Only if you consider NTSC the final goal of video playback.
> >
> > Uh, someone asked about Laserdisc and DVD so NTSC is the only consideration here.
> >
> > Smaug69
>
> Why do you think so?


In the US, DVD and LD are NTSC. Check out the OP's ISP.

Smaug69(And that's on the QT)

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Anonymous   05-14-2004 at 12:15:46 PM
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"Matthew L. Martin" <mlmartin@me.com> wrote in message
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> TCS wrote:
> > Yes! Just pick a movie that isn't available on DVD.
>
> What part of "all things being equal" didn't you understand?

Obviously, all of it. ;)

Mike

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