NEW GAMING P.C BUILD NEED HELP!!!!!!!1

[jcsalom]

Hey guys i'm building a gaming p.c for the first time. I'm buying a 1920 by 1080 monitor and would like to play games like Far Cry 3, The witcher, sleeping dogs, Guild Wars 2, and Crisis 2.

My budget for the gaming Rig is 500 but MAXIMUM 520 only if it's worth it
I do not need O.S, mice, or keyboard

I have an idea, i want to know if all the parts are compatible, I need a recommendation for a motherboard, and cheap case (less than 30), and want to know if the intel core -3 3220 is worth it for gaming or if i should stick with a pentium g860


PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/t8gG
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/t8gG/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/t8gG/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($109.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Patriot Intel Extreme Master, Limited Ed 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($31.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($179.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Antec 450W ATX12V Power Supply ($30.95 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On IHAS324-98 DVD/CD Writer ($18.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $439.90
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-18 18:36 EST-0500)

 

[Deemo13]

You are probably not going to be able to fit a case and a motherboard in $60. Maybe $80.

What games are you looking to play?

 

[jcsalom]

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/t8z9
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/t8z9/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/t8z9/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($109.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock B75M-GL Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($67.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Intel Extreme Master, Limited Ed 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($31.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($179.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Apex SK-393-C ATX Mid Tower Case ($24.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Antec 450W ATX12V Power Supply ($30.95 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On IHAS324-98 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $533.44
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-18 19:11 EST-0500)

IS THIS ANY GOOD ALL THE PARTS COMPATIBLE?
want to know if the intel core i3 is worth it or i should just stick to a pentium g860 and get a amd 7870?

I want to play metro, guild wars2, witcher

 

[Praxeology]

On this kind of a budget build get rid of intel, they aren't competitive. You want a http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130637 for your mobo, and http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103962 for your processor, the rest is fine for this budget. Make sure you are using standard multi-sampling in type of AA you're using for witcher and for setting up Catalyst Control Panel.

Matter of fact it would be better go with piledriver http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113286 costs 25 bucks more but it will be significantly better.

 

[djangoringo]

^LOL , troll of the week.

It's all good, stay with the intel build, i just changed the mobo :

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/t8KO

there's another one with a better case : http://pcpartpicker.com/p/t8O4

 

[jcsalom]

i like intel lol, about the motherboard mine has crossfire support the one you suggested does not, is it worth it going into crossfire in the future for my build?

 

[djangoringo]

It has the same features, the msi one offers 4 dimms slots for ram, the crossfire is not recommended for micro atx boards, i doubt it will fit and the best for it is to have two pcie dual mode 8x 8x.
Also not recommended going to crossfire two 7850 cause of the micro-stuttering, poor driver support, you'll better off with one card, in the future when the card doesn't hold up to new games(~2-3 years, trade for a better one).
Also you can save up with the hdd for a 500GB but if you need space, stay with the 1TB.
The case i think it's worth changing for the nzxt.

 

[Praxeology]

^LOL , troll of the week.

It's all good, stay with the intel build, i just changed the mobo :

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/t8KO

there's another one with a better case : http://pcpartpicker.com/p/t8O4

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-4170-core-i3-3220-benchmarks,3314-8.html

This is a good review between the bulldozer and the i3. Equal race in games with the i3 pulling ahead by 1-3 fps on the games tested due to the single threaded advantage. In the real world with the way multi-tasking is done on today's PC's though I would want that fx4170, which is bulldozer first gen quad. The processor I recommended is vishura, what the article wanted to test but was not out at the time. Steamroller, vishura, has minimum of 10-20percent increase in gaming performance and will slap this i3 down. For the same price, you should go with the amd both for gaming, and for productivity on the desktop itself. You will have less slowdown in multi-tasking and better fps in games. And programs are only going to utilize more cores into the coding. You're buying bad tech, but GL with you're build. @djangoringo come at me bro

 

[Deemo13]

I would not go with either the 6100 or the 6200, as they get steamrolled by the i3 in terms of gaming, as well as the newer Piledriver FX6300.

With the power supply you chose, Crossfire would not be possible. Either way, you should be fine with one card.

 

[Praxeology]

I would not go with either the 6100 or the 6200, as they get steamrolled by the i3 in terms of gaming, as well as the newer Piledriver FX6300.

With the power supply you chose, Crossfire would not be possible. Either way, you should be fine with one card.

Benchmarks or stop talking. The quick one I found was from top hardware testing bulldozer over the i3 and to say it got steam rolled is pretty laughable. You should probably go rub that intel hard on you got there, and get back to me.

 

[djangoringo]

There's no steamroller cpus yet derp, the ones you linked are all bulldozer cpus, and they're in fact three cores(three modules) vs two better/faster cores which in the end, the i3 is much more faster in gaming and overall vs the fx-6100, besides of the cpu power consumption which is much lower in the i3 ivybridge.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/far-cry-3-performance-benchmark,3379-7.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-3.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-5.html

 

[Praxeology]

There's no steamroller cpus yet derp, the ones you linked are all bulldozer cpus, and they're in fact three cores(three modules) vs two better/faster cores which in the end, the i3 is much more faster in gaming and overall vs the fx-6100, besides of the cpu power consumption which is much lower in the i3 ivybridge.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/far-cry-3-performance-benchmark,3379-7.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-3.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-5.html

BF3, 1920x1080 4xMSAA, 8x AF, SSAO

i3: 49.4 average fps

FX: 49 average fps

Dirt, 1920x1080 4xMSAA

i3: 43.7 average fps

FX: 43.3 average fps

Metro 2033 1920x1080 4xMSAA, 4xAF, PhysX/DOF disabled

i3: 63.4 average fps

fx: 60.4 average fps

Skyrim 1920x1080, 8x MSAA, 16AF, FXAA Enabled

i3: 66 average fps

fx: 54.8 average fps

SC2 1920x180, ultra texture settings

i3: 54.8 average fps

fx: 55.3 average fps

2 Points: Point 1, The ingame benchmarks say either one is viable. The fx however handles multi-tasking without slowing down compared to the i3. Again this is bulldozer also, and a quad core bulldozer at that. You are right steamroller isn't out piledriver is with vishera. Point 2, Performance increased with piledriver, not that there was much difference on bulldozer compared to i3, combined with increased multi-tasking ability on the desktop/applications makes it the better buy by far. And if the OP goes with the i3, when he is listening to music through itunes, buffering a movie online/other tabs open, whilst playing a game of some sort, he will feel the difference right then and there.

 

[djangoringo]

The FX-4170 is better than the FX-6100, and the i3 is better than those two, don't forget the i3-3220 has hyperthreading for other apps and it's far better overall at any amd cpu within it's price.
The FX-6100 just fails in core performance, that even the fx-4170 delivers better performance.

See the chart on toms hardware see were the fx-6100 and others position :


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-5.html


And go away troll.

 

[Praxeology]

The FX-4170 is better than the FX-6100, and the i3 is better than those two, don't forget the i3-3220 has hyperthreading for other apps and it's far better overall at any amd cpu within it's price.
The FX-6100 just fails in core performance, that even the fx-4170 delivers better performance.

See the chart on toms hardware see were the fx-6100 and others position :


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-5.html


And go away troll.

We are talking about piledriver/vishera

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113286

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113286

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113286

Linking generic charts designed for generalization... That feeling when. Stop posting

 

[djangoringo]

You're just making yourself a retarded, you say steamroller and deceive by putting fx-6100 and fx-6200, then you edit your initial post and put the FX-6300 after what i told you.
Now you're putting a fx-6300, when he's in a tight budget, when that cpu is more expensive and needs a mobo with the bios updated or with a 990FX(expensive boards) and compared with the i3 it offers no significant performance, for gaming the i3 still beats any of those.
Derp.
End of discussion, the op knows better, and will not go with your silly suggestions.

 

[ohiou_grad_06]

Either way what the intel fanboys will not mention is the amd chips have unlocked multipliers. Show me an i3 that does that. Oh wait there's not one.

 

[djangoringo]

First this was a discussion with the Praxeology saying with the "steamroller"(yes that's what he said) fx-6100 and fx-6200 will offer significant performance difference when it's not the case, the i3-3220 is better than any of those two period, overclocked or not.
As for the FX-6300, in gaming it will not be better than the i3-3220, and there's reviews of the FX-6300 demonstrating that overclocking the cpu is worthless, also needing an aftermarket cooler, that chip runs hot.
And there's the price and compatibility question, the FX-6300 is more expensive, the boards also more and he is in a tight budget with the FX-6300 offering no substantial performance in switching the cpu and again he needs to flash the bios for that mobo he put it or buy an expensive mobo with 990FX chipset.
He already has decided on the i3-3220, it was not me who said to him to go with that cpu(which he did well).
We tell what's best, we are called intel fanboys, when the amd fanboys are the ones here.

 

[Praxeology]

You're just making yourself a retarded, you say steamroller and deceive by putting fx-6100 and fx-6200, then you edit your initial post and put the FX-6300 after what i told you.
Now you're putting a fx-6300, when he's in a tight budget, when that cpu is more expensive and needs a mobo with the bios updated or with a 990FX(expensive boards) and compared with the i3 it offers no significant performance, for gaming the i3 still beats any of those.
Derp.
End of discussion, the op knows better, and will not go with your silly suggestions.

You're right I did edit my post when I saw I linked a zambezi 6 core instead of the vishera. I originally said Matter of fact it would be better go with steamroller, thinking I was linking that vishura. I edited steamroller for piledriver, the name I meant to say, and vwala. That was when I realized I linked a second zambezi. Regardless of mistakes the point still stands. Vishura 6 core will outperform that dual core in multi-tasking and will outperform the i3 in games. Not to mention as the post above explains, you can OC these chips compared to the i3. I even said "costs 25 bucks more but it will be significantly better," to reply to your price notion. You act as if I am trying to be deceitful lmao. And all of these processors are perfectly compatible with that msi mobo. Stop spewing this nonsense and be gone from here. The zambezi 6 core for 105 bucks is a better buy than the i3 overall. The zambezi quad core performs 1-3 fps lower in some games and 1 fps higher in other games on average. The zambezi 6 core should perform even better against the i3, and the vishura should beat it. You get OC headroom, multi-tasking, and better in game performance with vishura for the same price. Get off me bro and stop *** posting. I am not trying to deceive anyone, but I am indeed attempting to deflate that intel hard on we talked about earlier. GTFO me bro.

 

[jcsalom]

Praxeology i appreciate your contribution to this thread. i'm picking the intel i3 because i'm much more accustomed to intel and it's upgrade paths (i can upgrade to i5 later on) and it seems to be better for gaming. The amd's chips promise of slightly better multitasking is not enough to convince me to switch.

I thank all of you for your help. i know see that crosfire is not really an option for my gpu

can you guys recomend a good motherboard (the least expensive) that will work with the i3-3220?

 

[djangoringo]

To see how pathetic you are(Praxeology) see this in relation to all bulldozer cpus which was all of this discussion :

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-fx-8120-6100-4100_6.html#sect0
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-fx-8120-6100-4100_5.html#sect1

As for the FX-6300, like i said it's out of his budget it's more expensive(i could say to go with an i5 for that), offers no significant difference vs i3, its mobos are more expensive, needs a bios update or to buy a 990FX mobo(which is expensive and costs the same as an i5 and a h77 mobo for that).
I'm tired of amd fanboys.
I really wish amd comes back with good cpus, but for now they're not good vs intel ones sadly.
And that's it.
I will not discuss any further.

 

[jcsalom]

I really like djangoringo's second build with the better case, is this the cheapest motherboard i can get withought sacrificing?
and is it easy to upgrade with this build? 'm guessing if i were to upgrade in 2-3 years, i would prob. get a i5 and a new graphics card?

 

[Praxeology]

To see how pathetic you are(Praxeology) see this in relation to all bulldozer cpus which was all of this discussion :

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-fx-8120-6100-4100_6.html#sect0
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-fx-8120-6100-4100_5.html#sect1

As for the FX-6300, like i said it's out of his budget it's more expensive(i could say to go with an i5 for that), offers no significant difference vs i3, its mobos are more expensive, needs a bios update or to buy a 990FX mobo(which is expensive and costs the same as an i5 and a h77 mobo for that).
I'm tired of amd fanboys.
I really wish amd comes back with good cpus, but for now they're not good vs intel ones sadly.
And that's it.
I will not discuss any further.

Same 80 dollar mobo, might need a bio update might now, cake to do in any situation. 130 dollar processor is not = to 220. Cool story though. Implying I am an AMD fanboy. I simply go where the performance is. Glad to see you are done *** posting, the gods thank you.

 

[djangoringo]

I really like djangoringo's second build with the better case, is this the cheapest motherboard i can get withought sacrificing?
and is it easy to upgrade with this build? 'm guessing if i were to upgrade in 2-3 years, i would prob. get a i5 and a new graphics card?

Yes, either the asrock or the msi one, yes you can put any i5 or i7 ivybridge in the future .
Also it has a pcie 3.0 slot for newer generation gfx cards.

 

[Praxeology]

Praxeology i appreciate your contribution to this thread. i'm picking the intel i3 because i'm much more accustomed to intel and it's upgrade paths (i can upgrade to i5 later on) and it seems to be better for gaming. The amd's chips promise of slightly better multitasking is not enough to convince me to switch.

I thank all of you for your help. i know see that crosfire is not really an option for my gpu

can you guys recomend a good motherboard (the least expensive) that will work with the i3-3220?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130653 That is MSI

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157304 That is ASrock

Both are good, MSI has uefi bios which are nice but is ultimately your choice.

If I was in your shoes, I would go with the MSI board.

 

[djangoringo]

You don't know what he needs with an i3, is the b75 or h77, not a z77 LOL.
Any board has uefi bios nowadays, the asrock ones does have uefi bios.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130655

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157335

There's also a good one for more 5$ : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157303

For not breaking the budget, either one can be upgraded with any i5 or i7 ivybridge and has a pcie 3.0 slot.