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GTX 560Ti 448 Vs HD 7850

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October 31, 2012 2:00:49 PM

Hello i am going to be building a new computer soon and i am struggling to choose a GPU, its between this one http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1280mb-msi-gtx560ti-732-... and this one http://www.scan.co.uk/products/2gb-xfx-radeon-hd-7850-c... theres a whole 70 pounds difference which i could put towards an i5 processor, is there alot of performance difference between the two?

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a c 186 U Graphics card
October 31, 2012 2:27:29 PM

7850
October 31, 2012 2:29:21 PM

But the 7850 is almost TWICE the price, is there alot of performance difference between the two?
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a b U Graphics card
October 31, 2012 2:36:22 PM

7850 for sure, and the 560ti is more expensive then the 7850 here
October 31, 2012 2:40:25 PM

Sret43rg said:
But the 7850 is almost TWICE the price, is there alot of performance difference between the two?

Yes there is a big difference.
The 560ti plays Battlefield 3 at ~ 40fps. And the 7850 at stock plays around 54fps. Settings high and at 1920x1080 res. Also the 7850 consumes less power than the 560ti.
a b U Graphics card
October 31, 2012 2:43:45 PM

The 7850 is faster than the 560Ti, but not by a huge ammount. Its so expensive because its the newest chipset, while 560 Ti is a bit older.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_radeon_hd_7850...

That is the hardest benchmark for GPUs now, so in other games the gap is probably going to be higher.

a c 186 U Graphics card
October 31, 2012 2:45:26 PM

Sret43rg said:
But the 7850 is almost TWICE the price, is there alot of performance difference between the two?
The 7850 is 10% to 15% faster
a c 186 U Graphics card
October 31, 2012 2:59:22 PM

cats_Paw said:
The 7850 is faster than the 560Ti, but not by a huge ammount. Its so expensive because its the newest chipset, while 560 Ti is a bit older.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_radeon_hd_7850...

That is the hardest benchmark for GPUs now, so in other games the gap is probably going to be higher.
+1
October 31, 2012 3:14:10 PM

In the benchmarks it shows that the gtx 560ti 448 is better than the hd 7850 in some and vice versa but the 7850 is almost TWICE the price of the gtx 560ti 448 on scan.co.uk is it really worth it?
October 31, 2012 3:40:48 PM

The 7850 comes with Farcry3.
a c 186 U Graphics card
October 31, 2012 3:41:38 PM

Sret43rg said:
In the benchmarks it shows that the gtx 560ti 448 is better than the hd 7850 in some and vice versa but the 7850 is almost TWICE the price of the gtx 560ti 448 on scan.co.uk is it really worth it?
Is 10 to 15% overall performance improvement worth almost twice the amount to you i doubt it but only you can decide that ;) 
a b U Graphics card
October 31, 2012 4:06:33 PM

The 7850 and the 560 ti 448 trade blows, if the prices are similar I'd always go for the 7850 because of it's lower power consumption and newer tech.

If saving those 70 punds would let me get for example an i5 2500k instead of an i3, I would definately take that route and buy the 560 448 - especially if you play at 1080p or less.
October 31, 2012 4:25:04 PM

cobot, my current setup consists of an i3-3220 as i dont have the money for an i5 processor but if i get the gtx 560ti 448, the savings will allow me to get an i5 instead of an i3. But what i find fishy is the price of the gtx 560ti 448 is alot more on other websites and i have no idea why it is so cheap on scan.co.uk so i cant decide :( 
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a c 117 U Graphics card
October 31, 2012 4:37:36 PM

bigcyco1 said:
They don't trade blows anymore you half to look at current benchmarks http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_P... but still i agree it's not worth paying that much more for a 10 to 15% performance gain.

sorry don't see a 560ti 448 on those benchies.

with a decent overclock the 448 can outperform or at least equal the performance of a 570 > 7850 with any set of CC drivers.
a c 200 U Graphics card
October 31, 2012 4:38:13 PM

The OP's last point is very important. That price is so unrealistically low that I'd make sure it isn't just a deposit on a card they don't have yet. Is it new, or a refurbished card?
If the deal is legit, I'd agree that the difference in performance is not worth the difference in price, UNLESS the GTX560Ti is borderline unplayable at minimum acceptable graphics settings, but the HD7850 is playable at those settings (or better).
October 31, 2012 4:41:39 PM

In short terms, i am asking whether to buy the graphics card with 1GB or 2GB of memory, i am going to be playing on a 1080p 23'' TV.
a c 200 U Graphics card
October 31, 2012 4:43:26 PM

The Twin-frozr is a better cooler. If you're interested in overclocking, it will run quieter and stay cooler than the other. If you don't care about overclocking and don't care about a little more fan noise even at stock, the price difference isn't worth it.
October 31, 2012 4:55:20 PM

But you also need to take into account that the first version of the card is 1GB and the second version is 2GB, will there be a huge difference in performance between the two?
a c 200 U Graphics card
October 31, 2012 4:57:53 PM

No. At that resolution, the difference will be insignificant. Future games may use more RAM though, but in your place I wouldn't worry about it. You're already stressing your budget.
October 31, 2012 4:58:06 PM

I'm sorry... but i disagree. I currently have a 560 TI (normal) +i5 3570k and I can run everything with 60 fps at 1920x1080 at least at HIGH Settings instead of ultra settings in BF3... Ohh excpet metro 2033 ofc...

Bottom line. If the 7850 is TWICE the price of a 560 ti 448, i woudl go with the 560 ti 448.
a c 200 U Graphics card
October 31, 2012 4:59:53 PM

Make sure your PSU is of sufficient quality to run your rig. A 500W PSU would be sufficient, but make sure what you get has received favorable competent technical reviews. Or, buy a Seasonic-built PSU, because I've never known them to make a bad one. Ever.
a c 200 U Graphics card
October 31, 2012 5:00:56 PM

While I agree with you, centaurius, there also may be some questions here about the legitimacy of that extremely low price.
a c 186 U Graphics card
October 31, 2012 5:12:28 PM

Anonymous said:
sorry don't see a 560ti 448 on those benchies.

with a decent overclock the 448 can outperform or at least equal the performance of a 570 > 7850 with any set of CC drivers.
hmmm...seems your right i thought these new drivers amd have supposedly make them out preform NV cards by quite a bit :heink: 
October 31, 2012 5:12:55 PM

This is a link to my psu:
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/500w-corsair-builder-ser...

I also want to ask if my system is all compatible and will it be capable of running games like battlefield 3, skyrim, and dishonoured at high settings at 1080p? Here is my system i am planning to buy:

Case: CiT Vantage 8818B Midi Tower Gaming Case (£32.03)
CPU: Intel Core i3 3220 Ivy Bridge Dual Core Processor (£94.19)
Memory: Corsair Memory XMS3 8GB DDR3 1600 MHz (£26.59)
HDD: Western Digital Cavier Blue 500GB 7200rpm 16MB Cache (£45.83)
PSU: Corsair CP-9020047-UK Builder Series CX 500W Power Supply (£45.00)
Motherboard: MSI H77MA-G43 Intel H77 Socket 1155 Motherboard (£63.32)
GPU: MSI Overclocked Radeon HD 7850 AMD Graphics Card - 1GB (£119.82)
Optical Drive: DVD Writer for PC the 22x Samsung SSUNG/SH-222BB/BEBE in Black OEM (£11.96)
Anti-static wristband: (£2.38)

Total: £441.12 (Not including shipping costs)





a c 200 U Graphics card
October 31, 2012 5:45:27 PM

I believe that system will play on high settings, perhaps better on the BF3 single-player campaign.
The original Corsair Builder was a Seasonic-built unit. That appears to be what you have, and it is decent. The "V2" version of the Builder was made by Channel Well, using Samxon capacitors from an inferior line known to experience early failure (i.e. they review well, but may not hold up). You should be fine.
I would ignore any advice you may get about skipping the anti-static strap. It only takes 30V to damage components; well below what you can feel. Better safe than sorry.
October 31, 2012 6:02:34 PM

People say that i might need to upgrade the i3 to an i5 for the extra cores on games like Battlefield 3 that are more cpu intensive but i just don't have the extra money to do that, will i be okay with the i3?
a c 200 U Graphics card
October 31, 2012 6:46:49 PM

I think so. From the images I've seen of BF3 on even "medium" settings, it looks pretty darn good. People are enjoying it on slower AMD systems too, so I think you'll be fine.
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a c 117 U Graphics card
October 31, 2012 6:50:29 PM

bigcyco1 said:
hmmm...seems your right i thought these new drivers amd have supposedly make them out preform NV cards by quite a bit :heink: 

on a side note:
nvidia has a beta driver 310.33 out since the release of CC 12.11 that increases the performance of the 660/680 cards and according to some posts on the 3D guru forum; the GF 110 gpu also.

all AMD did was actually release a driver that did something postive and want to make a big stink about it :p 

edit to stay on topic: OP if i saw a 560ti 448 for $150 US (that appeared to be fully functional) i wouldn't be able to buy it fast enough over a 7850.
October 31, 2012 6:54:12 PM

So looniam you recommend me to get the 560ti 448 over the 7850 due to the price difference?
October 31, 2012 6:58:51 PM

cobot said:
The 7850 and the 560 ti 448 trade blows, if the prices are similar I'd always go for the 7850 because of it's lower power consumption and newer tech.

If saving those 70 punds would let me get for example an i5 2500k instead of an i3, I would definately take that route and buy the 560 448 - especially if you play at 1080p or less.

+1
a c 200 U Graphics card
October 31, 2012 7:04:28 PM

The GTX560Ti-448 is a decent card; I don't think that's the issue here. I don't see any disagreement here that 1) the HD7850 is the better performer, but 2) the GTX560Ti-448, at that price, offers higher bang/buck. Whether or not the deal is legitimate seems to be the question, and from his decision to get the HD7850, it would appear that the OP does not think it is.
Did you call SCAN and find out about it?
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a c 117 U Graphics card
October 31, 2012 7:15:13 PM

Sret43rg said:
So looniam you recommend me to get the 560ti 448 over the 7850 due to the price difference?

yes, but jtt283 has brought up a valid concern as to the "condition" of the 560ti 448.

though i will state that if you can get a decent overclock (12-15%) it will outperform a 570 which, to the best of my understanding; still beats a 7850.

what i am using as a point of reference about another card (asus DCII) Overclocking keep in mind the cooler on that card is much better than the one you are looking at and has more/better VRMs.
October 31, 2012 7:28:09 PM

I have not rang up Scan to find out about it but the pictures say that it is the 560ti 448 and if i do order it and find it is the wrong one, i could always send it back for a refund i guess?
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a c 117 U Graphics card
October 31, 2012 7:45:53 PM

Sret43rg said:
I have not rang up Scan to find out about it but the pictures say that it is the 560ti 448 and if i do order it and find it is the wrong one, i could always send it back for a refund i guess?

no idea on their refund policy. though since i was too busy checking benchs, reviews and such to check what i had an inclination about, i seemed to overlooked:
Onus said:
I'd make sure it isn't just a deposit on a card they don't have yet.

Quote:
Item currently awaiting an ETA.

so i doubt they have it and since those are not being made anymore, i highly doubt they will get it. a shame it is even listed. sorry man, i was really excited for you. but it won't hurt to ring them up and see.
October 31, 2012 8:01:02 PM

Thanks i will ring them up when i have free time and i guess i will have to go with the HD 7850, which is 35 pounds more but oh well :) 

Thanks for all your help guys i really appreciate it
a c 186 U Graphics card
October 31, 2012 8:10:39 PM

Anonymous said:
on a side note:
nvidia has a beta driver 310.33 out since the release of CC 12.11 that increases the performance of the 660/680 cards and according to some posts on the 3D guru forum; the GF 110 gpu also.

all AMD did was actually release a driver that did something postive and want to make a big stink about it :p 

edit to stay on topic: OP if i saw a 560ti 448 for $150 US (that appeared to be fully functional) i wouldn't be able to buy it fast enough over a 7850.
Thanks for info turns out your right what a joke all the hype on this forum about those drivers are to much.
October 31, 2012 8:23:30 PM

I would get the 560ti since its cheaper
October 31, 2012 9:50:59 PM

I have one final question, should i get a hd 7850 1GB at 119.99 or a hd 7850 2GB at 149.99, is the extra 1GB of memory worth an extra 30 pounds? If it helps i will be playing on a 23'' LG TV at 1080p
a b U Graphics card
October 31, 2012 10:02:16 PM

The 560 ti 448 is basically a 570, which has the same performance of a 7850. For half the price, you shouldn't be having second thoughts; the 560 ti 448 is certainly the better deal.
a c 200 U Graphics card
October 31, 2012 10:04:26 PM

Unless you always play with the highest levels of AA possible, I don't think it's worth 30 pounds. If you like lots of AA, and plan to download every high-res pack possible, then maybe. In your place, already stretching your budget, I don't think you're going to regret "settling" for 1GB.
October 31, 2012 10:14:29 PM

Thank you so much all of you for your answers it is very much appreciated.
October 31, 2012 10:54:34 PM

well i had a look at the same website to know the prices there , and getting the 7850 will be a ridiculous decision as the GTX 660 is very near from its price and its performance kick the 7850 ass..

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/2gb-msi-gtx-660-oc-28nm-...(x16)-6008mhz-gddr5-gpu-1006mhz-boost-1072mhz-cores-960-dport-dl-dvi
a c 200 U Graphics card
October 31, 2012 11:19:42 PM

The GTX660 has crippled compute performance (which doesn't really matter in today's games but might in tomorrow's) and a narrower memory buss which may also matter. It also costs more, and the OP is already straining his budget.
a b U Graphics card
October 31, 2012 11:38:51 PM

wait a second I doubt i am the only one who thought of this...

if 7850 and 560ti448 are similar in performance and the price is 2x as much for the 7850


why no get 2 560ti's?

a c 186 U Graphics card
October 31, 2012 11:51:53 PM

Well now that i know these new drivers didn't do like i assumed the non-reference 560 Ti designs, factory overclocked to 900 Mhz. Among them you will find several models that have upgrade dPCB's and yoked up VRMs . The ones w/ 7 phases or more and the special coolers have been known to top 30% overclocks over the reference card speed.


http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=1201&page=17


.The R7850's performance is about the same give or take very little!
a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2012 6:55:04 AM

There is certainly something strange with that offer. The box on the picture states 448 core and the manufacturers code says it's a 448 as well, but the technical specifications further down states 384 cores, which is what the normal 560 ti has...
November 1, 2012 9:22:13 AM

Yea i agree with cobot there is definitely something strange about the offer but i have found a HD Radeon 7850 1GB for only 35 pounds more than the GTX 560Ti 448, so i have decided to go with the 7850 but i need to decide whether to get 1GB or 2GB, the 2GB version is 30 pounds more, is that worth it?
a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2012 11:20:48 AM

The 2GB might in some cases allow you to enable higher anti-aliasing and will be useful if you for example run skyrim with a million of mods.

Personally, I don't think the price difference is worth the small (potential) difference in performance at 1080p, but you'll have to decide yourself. :) 
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