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a b U Graphics card
October 31, 2012 10:57:25 PM

I currently have a 560ti and it's just not cutting it anymore. I am begining to get ram bottlenecks and I want to be able to play on higher settings. I have tried sli, but for some reason and I ended up having to sell my second 560ti. I now am looking at the 7870 or 7950. I can't decide which one to get. There is that deal where you get three games on newegg that comes with the 7950, they are all games that I kind of want, especially far cry 3 which I almost bought on release. But the reason I am divided is I can just get the 7870 for so much cheaper. From benchmarks the 7870 is not all that much weaker than a 7950 currently. But I am not sure if it will last as long. How much more time do you think I could get because of that extra ram and higher bus? Also, will the same deal come to the 7870? Does anyone how long that deal will last? I would probably end up buying the card mid november to early december. If that deal is only on the 7950, I would prefer getting that instead, beacause that is a way better value than the 7870 alone. Thank you for your time.

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a c 1378 U Graphics card
October 31, 2012 11:05:45 PM

HD7950 gets my vote, just look at the games as bonus!
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a c 143 U Graphics card
October 31, 2012 11:17:47 PM

Both cards are not an essential upgrade for me, I have HD 6950 and it's still doing a very good job with the latest titles. You don't have to max every detail out, you can turn down some soft detail and the game will look fantastic though.

At early December we'll get the speculations and news about the Upcoming HD 8K series, AMD this time is gonna make a great deal on both Price & Performance...a high end card from the 8k series will be a nice upgrade from the GTX 560ti.

However, HD 7870 is as strong as a GTX 580, so you're gaining about 30% performance increase, the HD 7950 is 5% faster than HD 7870 so you're looking for 35% performance increase over GTX 560ti in case you're going HD 7950.

Actually all the HD 7K series are great overclockers, HD 7950 when OCed, it surpasses the standard HD 7970 performance, look at this article so If I'm gonna pull the trigger I'd pick a HD 7950.

Also, You can get right now an HD 7870 for as low as $210 if you can push your budget and get 2 of these, then you have a wild beast.
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a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2012 2:01:21 AM

Also, I assume you meant 560ti when you said 35%? I was originally going to wait until the 8000 series came out, but then I saw that deal, and it got really tempting.
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a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2012 2:17:04 AM

Also I forgot to say that I play at 1080p. I just checked some benchmarks and The 7870 is a little iffy, but I think it would still be worth it. Also the new drivers are going to give a pretty big upgrade from what I hear. Like 10% in some games I did the math and I was getting 40-60% higher than 560ti. But I added 10% to the benchmarks. So I was honestly wondering most which card would be smarter to get? Also does anyone knows if the promo is going to be on the 7870.
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a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2012 2:29:15 AM

Here is the detail about the bundle:



and performance increase from Catalyst 12.11:



HD 7750: +4%
HD 7770: +5%
HD 7850: +4%
HD 7870: +10%
HD 7950: +7%
HD 7970: +7%
HD 7970 GHz: +7% said:
HD 7750: +4%
HD 7770: +5%
HD 7850: +4%
HD 7870: +10%
HD 7950: +7%
HD 7970: +7%
HD 7970 GHz: +7%


If you want to stay at 1080p for the future and 7870 might be a better value, if you want the card to last a bit longer and play 1440p in the future then 7970's extra performance and Vram(3G) would be better.

I don't see newegg offer the bundle for 7870, but they do for 7950.

If I were to choose I'd take the Gigabyte 7950 right now at $279.99 after $20 rebate, with the Gaming bundle you can sell for another $60 on Ebay.
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a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2012 2:47:02 AM

Thanks for the help. I am not sure if I will go to 1440p. I don't think I will get that until it is a reasonable, so there is a chance that I would get a better monitor/tv with this pc, but I am not positive yet. I did do the math though. If I go for rebates I could get a 7950 for about $285 then with all those games it comes with, the gpu itself ends up being cheaper than the 7870, even the one for $200.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
which I almost bought right there. But it's such a hard decision! Thanks for all the help though.
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a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2012 2:55:42 AM

lt_dan_zsu said:
Thanks for the help. I am not sure if I will go to 1440p. I don't think I will get that until it is a reasonable, so there is a chance that I would get a better monitor/tv with this pc, but I am not positive yet. I did do the math though. If I go for rebates I could get a 7950 for about $285 then with all those games it comes with, the gpu itself ends up being cheaper than the 7870, even the one for $200.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
which I almost bought right there. But it's such a hard decision! Thanks for all the help though.



I don't know what you consider a reasonable price, but I sold my $500+ 120Hz 27" 1080p and bought a $310 27" Korean 1440p and haven't looked back. If you are uncomfortable with buying from Korea on Ebay, I recommend checking out the Korean IPS owners club on Overclock.net to see their experience.
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a c 106 U Graphics card
November 1, 2012 3:04:44 AM

I'd wait an extra generation if I were you. I prefer the at minimum 2 generation before new card to get some moneys worth in performance.
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a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2012 3:19:11 AM

Another option you can consider is that the next gen(8XXX or GTX 7XX) which are scheduled for Q1-Q2 next year, the AMD card are likely to come out in Jan-Feb next year like they did this year. So if you are fine with using your old card for another 2 month, you can either get this gen for cheaper or get the next gen card.

Personally I upgrade every year, because if I upgrade every 2 or 3 years the resell value of my old card is a dramatically less than if I just sell the old card when they become last gen.

Consider this scenario
Assume $500 price for the GTX 480/580/680(just an example, could easily be 5970/6970/7970),Price of cards decline by $150 a year linearly(unlikely, a 2 gen old card is likely to lose a lot more value than a 1 gen old card)

Buy GTX 480, sell it one year later for $150 off($350)
Buy GTX 580 after that, sell it one year later for $150 off($350)
Buy GTx 680, you sent $800 on the 3 Video card and had the Best performance Nivida card for all three year.

Buy GTX 480, sell it 2 year later for $300 off($200)
Buy GTx 680($500), You spent $800 on 2 Video card, but had one year where you card was not the best.
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a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2012 3:28:52 AM

Well after my experience with nvidia, I don't know if I would ever consider a nVidia card again. I'm not saying that 1440p is overpriced. I just don't want to get until it is cheaper.
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a c 143 U Graphics card
November 1, 2012 1:56:36 PM

2560x resolution is very very demanding, right now there's no a single card can satisfy 1080P in some demanding games like Metro 2033 & Crysis 2, In 2013 I'm expecting Metro Last Light to be more demanding and there was an article posted months ago stating that Crysis 3 was said to melt PCs...Going 1440P will require a great amount of money each year to play the modern games @ good FPS.

Since I'm playing every modern game @ 40+ FPS (very smooth enough to deal with, with the max settings) I'm gonna wait for the 8K series or even the 9K if exists!
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a c 143 U Graphics card
November 1, 2012 1:59:48 PM

lt_dan_zsu said:
Also, I assume you meant 560ti when you said 35%? I was originally going to wait until the 8000 series came out, but then I saw that deal, and it got really tempting.

Yes, I corrected it. Yeah actually this is a very nice deal, AMD won't lose anything...these games are already "Gaming Evolved" :lol: 
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November 1, 2012 2:11:43 PM

ilysaml said:
2560x resolution is very very demanding, right now there's no a single card can satisfy 1080P in some demanding games like Metro 2033 & Crysis 2, In 2013 I'm expecting Metro Last Light to be more demanding and there was an article posted months ago stating that Crysis 3 was said to melt PCs...Going 1440P will require a great amount of money each year to play the modern games @ good FPS.

Since I'm playing every modern game @ 40+ FPS (very smooth enough to deal with, with the max settings) I'm gonna wait for the 8K series or even the 9K if exists!



Don't think so, imo Metro 2033 and Crysis 2 are just poorly optimized for PC, the more benchmark point should a game designed for DX11-> BF3:



Consider 7950/7970 are running these benches at 800/925Mhz but can easily Overclock to 1150(43%)&1200(30%) Mhz, that means they can run the game at 1600p at about 53/59 FPS with 4XAA, considering both memory OC and you don't really notice the effect of AA at 1440p(I see no difference between 4X and 2X at 1440p, the difference between 2X and 0X are hard to recognize as well), you can run the game at 0X or 2XAA and get 60 FPS on average.
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a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2012 3:02:52 PM

I would wait. The new Radeons are just a few months away. That's when I'll be upgrading. Tax return time.
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November 1, 2012 6:58:51 PM

Definitely get the 7950. Then just overclock it. It overclock's like a beast. I have both mine at 1235MHz. It kills games. I'm set for the next few years, probably. Also 160 dollars worth of games is nothing to scoff at.
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a c 143 U Graphics card
November 1, 2012 7:30:09 PM

sherlockwing said:
Don't think so, imo Metro 2033 and Crysis 2 are just poorly optimized for PC, the more benchmark point should a game designed for DX11-> BF3.

Reading this line makes me unable to continue reading your post or answering you at all. However, read this;
The title of Toms review of Crysis 2 with DX11 pack was "Crysis 2 Is The Best DirectX 11 Implementation Yet
Quote:
A lot of work was put into these releases, and Crytek deserves acknowledgement for creating the best example of DirectX 11 in action that we’ve seen to date.

Metro 2033? Really I have nothing to tell about this masterpiece.
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a b U Graphics card
November 2, 2012 2:09:28 AM

Thanks for all of the help. I think after seeing those OC's I am going with the 7950. Especially because of that promo deal. I mean I am getting that card for such a good value it is almost impossible to pass up that deal. Unless the 8000 series is coming out in December.
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a b U Graphics card
November 3, 2012 6:24:29 PM

Best answer selected by lt_dan_zsu.
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a c 143 U Graphics card
November 3, 2012 6:26:17 PM

Good Luck with your Purchase.
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