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December 19, 2012 8:48:13 PM

Hello,

I am a first time builder and I plan to build a budget gaming PC. The cheaper the better!

Here is what I have put together so far:

CPU: Intel Core i5-3450$194.99
Motherboard: ASRock B75M-DGS LGA 1155 Intel B75 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard$54.99
Graphics cardMSI N660Ti-2GD5/OC Graphics card - 2 GB - GDDR5 SDRAM $283

Memory:???

HDD: Wd 150GB 10000rpm Serial ATA Ii/300 2.5inch Small Form Factor $67.60

OS: Windows 7

Case: NZXT Phantom 410 Mid tower - No power supply $85

Power supply: Antec TruePower New TP-750 Power supply - 750 Watt$104.09

Total: 791

I'm still trying to shave some money off to get it to less than 600

My question is, if I want to run my memory at 2200m do I buy memory rated at 2200 or can I buy 1600 memory and try to overclock it to 2200?
Here is a good deal on memory I saw:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104262

I might also try to get a cheaper case...please let me know other ways I can save :) 
December 19, 2012 9:14:07 PM

The 10K hard drive and memory over 1600Mhz is going to translate to very little real world performance gains.

Also, you only need like 450W+ for your PSU.

I'd drop the hard drive for a 128GB SSD like the Crucial M4 or Samsung 830 and drop the PSU to a quality 450-500W model.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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December 19, 2012 9:24:00 PM

jmsellars1 said:
The 10K hard drive and memory over 1600Mhz is going to translate to very little real world performance gains.

Also, you only need like 450W+ for your PSU.

I'd drop the hard drive for a 128GB SSD like the Crucial M4 or Samsung 830 and drop the PSU to a quality 450-500W model.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Can you overclock 1600 ram to 2200?
Is a 500 W PSU good enough for overclock GTX 660 Ti? I read it requires 500W stock. What do you recommend if I overclock it?
I don't want an SSD but thanks. A small hard drive 250GB is fine.
December 19, 2012 9:25:42 PM

jmsellars1 said:
The 10K hard drive and memory over 1600Mhz is going to translate to very little real world performance gains.

Also, you only need like 450W+ for your PSU.

I'd drop the hard drive for a 128GB SSD like the Crucial M4 or Samsung 830 and drop the PSU to a quality 450-500W model.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


All valid points except the shitty SSD recommendations. The only competitive SSD makes are OCZ, Samsung, Corsair, and Mushkin, though ADATA just did some updates on their SSD. At any rate for low end SSD you want the corsair GTX. I seem to have to argue this all over the forums.

Praxeology said:
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/hardware/best_ssd

This compared the Samsung Pro, the best SSD on the market, to the GTX and it slimly beats it in every category. The regular samsung 840 will lose to the GTX and lol @ at the 830. For 20 dollars more, get the better buy. Don't be scared off by the reviews, only 5 people have reviewed it. Here is the bigger version http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Here is the exact ssd I am recommending on amazon with more reviews http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Neutron-Exclusive-LM87800...


Apropo said:
good points.

December 19, 2012 9:27:30 PM

4as30lsnalk20w said:
Can you overclock 1600 ram to 2200?
Is a 500 W PSU good enough for overclock GTX 660 Ti? I read it requires 500W stock. What do you recommend if I overclock it?
I don't want an SSD but thanks. A small hard drive 250GB is fine.


Yes

500 W

That's fine too!
December 19, 2012 9:29:47 PM

Not to mention that 10,000 RPM drives tend to be a whole lot less reliable (everyone I know who got 10K drives they all failed eventually). And since you're on a budget just get a standard 7,200 RPM SATA drive and you're not likely to notice a difference in performance anyways. As jmsellars1 suggested if you really want to boost the performance of your disk an SSD would be the way to go, but since you want a system for under 600$ I think we'll have to skip that.

Same thing with the RAM, no need to get the fastest type or go high end, in real life performance you probably won't see the difference between 1333Mhz RAM and 2333Mhz (I know it's hard to believe but it's true). Synthetic benchmarks might show a big difference but when you get to Windows and real life applications and games you might only see a 5% difference between the two, definitely not worth the extra money.

I'm not sure about the motherboard with that B75 chipset, never heard of it before, is it a good chipset? I'm just saying because maybe if he puts an extra 10$ or 20$ he could get a nicer motherboard, but I didn't follow much on newer chipset so maybe someone else could chime in on that?

Other than that, djangoringo and jmsellars1 made excellent suggestions for parts so I'd go with what they say.
December 19, 2012 9:33:59 PM

Just concerned about the PSU requirements. Here is Guru3Ds power supply recommendation:

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/evga-geforce-gtx-6...

"GeForce GTX 660 Ti - On your average system the card requires you to have a 450~500 Watt power supply unit.

GeForce GTX 660 Ti SLI - On your average system the cards require you to have a 700 Watt power supply unit as minimum.

If you are going to overclock GPU or processor, then we do recommend you purchase something with some more stamina."

So should I go with 600W or 700W then?
December 19, 2012 9:34:28 PM

The Crucial M4 is one of the most reliable SSD's around whilst keeping a decent price/performance ratio. What's not to like?

I have the Crucial M4 and Samsung 830 myself and have never had issues with either. I worked in a sales department for a major components retailer and the returns rates on the OCZ drives were insane. The cheaper Corsair/Mushkin drives had a few returns as well, a lot more than the Crucials. We didn't sell many Samsung drives so I couldn't comment there in terms of returns rates but they have a good reputation and as I said, I have one myself.
December 19, 2012 9:43:52 PM

4as30lsnalk20w said:
Just concerned about the PSU requirements. Here is Guru3Ds power supply recommendation:

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/evga-geforce-gtx-6...

"GeForce GTX 660 Ti - On your average system the card requires you to have a 450~500 Watt power supply unit.

GeForce GTX 660 Ti SLI - On your average system the cards require you to have a 700 Watt power supply unit as minimum.

If you are going to overclock GPU or processor, then we do recommend you purchase something with some more stamina."

So should I go with 600W or 700W then?



No, the XFX 550w is more than enough, it delivers full power @ good temps, it's made by seasonic (which means good quality).
Your system even oc will not draw more than 350w.
See max load of a 660 ti : http://tpucdn.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_660_Ti_Direc...

As for the ram i recommend going with the mushkin 8GB 1600 mhz 1.5v, it's good ram and cheap.

As for the hdd i recommend going with that one or a 500GB 7200rpm from seagate or WD(since you don't want any ssd).
Also i wouldn't go with a pny, get the gigabyte, it has a custom dual fan cooling(it's better), it's a better brand, better chances of oc.
December 19, 2012 9:52:30 PM

jmsellars1 said:
The Crucial M4 is one of the most reliable SSD's around whilst keeping a decent price/performance ratio. What's not to like?

I have the Crucial M4 and Samsung 830 myself and have never had issues with either. I worked in a sales department for a major components retailer and the returns rates on the OCZ drives were insane. The cheaper Corsair/Mushkin drives had a few returns as well, a lot more than the Crucials. We didn't sell many Samsung drives so I couldn't comment there in terms of returns rates but they have a good reputation and as I said, I have one myself.


OCZ was, is and will always be awful. Mushkin was the cheaper competition to Corsair and do you really doubt Corsair reliability rates? I know why people recommend these drives but there are much better options with Corsair unless you are going 840 Pro.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 76 percent is pretty damn acceptable.
December 19, 2012 10:37:02 PM

Intel Core i5-3450$194.99
Motherboard ASRock B75M-DGS LGA 1155 Intel B75 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel $54.99
Graphics cardMSI N660Ti-2GD5/OC - 2 GB - GDDR5 SDRAM $283
Memory: Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model 996995 $39.99
HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue Desktop WD2500AAKX 250 GB 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - 1 Pack $52.81
http://www.valleyseek.com/western-digital-wd2500aakx-we...
Power SupplyXFX Core Edition PRO550W (P1-550S-XXB9) 550W ATX12V 2.2 & ESP12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC $69.99
=$696

With the final components up in the air:
OS: Windows 7
NZXT Phantom 410 Mid tower - No power supply $85

I will def want to cut the price on the case...any cheap, cool cases you recommend? Preferably with USB 3.0 since my motherboard supports it. Green LED fans would be cool..I'd like to make it real "Borg" like.
December 19, 2012 11:38:15 PM

Any recs plz? Lighted keyboard combo to go with it would be cool.

Djangoringo thanks I really like the Zalman Z11...if there was something in green like Borg-cube like that would be cool too





Lol :) 
Something like this would be cool - Zalman z11 in green
December 19, 2012 11:49:22 PM

4as30lsnalk20w said:


"GeForce GTX 660 Ti - On your average system the card requires you to have a 450~500 Watt power supply unit.

GeForce GTX 660 Ti SLI - On your average system the cards require you to have a 700 Watt power supply unit as minimum.



"SLI" means running 2 Graphics cards at the same time. You're only running 1.


Tom's own benchmarks shows they are wrong.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-660-ti-benchmark-review,3279-16.html



This is Total System draw, using an i7 3960x.

Quote:
MSI’s model is rated for up to 190 W instead of the base specification's 150 W ceiling.


472-325 = 147W. Even being super safe in case you did upgrades, 400W would be enough
December 20, 2012 1:08:05 AM

I think for the case I will just try to get a case with a side window and I can always buy green LED fans for it in the future...any recs?
December 20, 2012 1:36:44 PM

Thermaltake armor A30 is a cube like case and i think you can get green variations
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