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November 1, 2012 9:15:50 PM

Hello,
Win7 64bit
AMD Athlon 64 x2 Dual Core Processor 5200+ 2.70Ghz
8GB RAM
Nvidia Geforce 8600GT

i want to upgrade my current graphics card to a gtx560ti will it make any FPS difference in games like MMORPG? Guild wars 2 for an example?
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November 1, 2012 10:53:38 PM

It will, but you should upgrade motherboard, processor, memory. take a look at this table to see how much of a jump in performance you will be getting just from the video card. Your cpu will probably bottleneck the performance of the video card. You will probably have to upgrade your power supply also. Power supply for a 560ti should be at least 500watt.
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November 1, 2012 11:10:18 PM

You will definately see an improvement in games. Your cpu will most likely bottle neck though. You could get a nice phenom series cpu and that should fix the bottleneck. (at least a quadcore and stay away from fx)
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a b V Motherboard
November 1, 2012 11:13:00 PM

MMORPGS are, as a whole, CPU bound. So while the video card will get you better eye candy, it will not get you hugely better performance.
a b V Motherboard
November 1, 2012 11:16:48 PM

Quote:
You will definately see an improvement in games. Your cpu will most likely bottle neck though. You could get a nice phenom series cpu and that should fix the bottleneck. (at least a quadcore and stay away from fx)


Nothing wrong with the new FX procs that just came out. If your a gamer just disable a core and OC to get more out of a video game.
November 1, 2012 11:23:28 PM

because basically if i upgrade a new mtoherboard/core its almost samething as buying a new pc...also i have 550w and i just really hope gtx 560ti could boost up atleast 5-7+fps and it would be gladly enough.

so gtx 560ti alone is good enough to boost up some FPS or my core wont be able to handle thus making no difference untill i upgrade my core?
November 2, 2012 12:55:33 AM

is it enough for the mean while? so gtx 560ti alone is good enough to boost up some FPS or my core wont be able to handle thus making no difference untill i upgrade my core?
November 2, 2012 2:43:13 AM

I don't know if you understand what people are saying by "bottleneck".The graphics card will not exceed what the computer as a whole can do.Simply put you would benefit more from a cpu upgrade than what your thinking.You could just buy a cpu that is an am3 socket correct? newegg has 4 quad core am3 not 3+ chips for 100 bucks around half what you are going to spend on the 560ti.Save the extra grab the gpu a little later
a b V Motherboard
November 2, 2012 5:21:21 AM

What the other are saying is that your cpu cannot feed your gpu fast enough to reach it's max output or "speed".

I would recemmend a cpu and gpu upgrade as it will allow your system to run modern games at a MUCH higher frame-rate.

Note: The cost of the GPU you wanted has been slit between the two components

The CPU:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition 3.2ghz
$84.99 after promo code EMCJNGN28
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The GPU:
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 6850 - $149.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

or

MSI GeForce GTX 650 - $129.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Just hook those up and you should be good to go. If you must have a new video card that is uber...

My recommended video card:

SAPPHIRE Radeon 7850 OC - $209.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It's faster and cheaper than the 560 TI.
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November 2, 2012 7:39:43 AM

Before we goes to far, could u inform the mobo type/model....
November 2, 2012 7:09:33 PM

@rdc85
my motherboard is a Asus M3A

@thor220
hey! ty for your great great advice! i will take your word and im actually going to start planning and getting these items you mentioned. Just to make sure are there other better or these are the best ones that you recommend me to get for a cheap price that will run smooth and efficient with Guild wars 2 ?

just to make sure if you have any other comments before i start planning and getting these VERY cheap things you mentioned..

ALSO if i buy that core dont i have to get like new RAM etc...?
ALSO do you know other amd core but an INTEL? thats better and almost or same price as that one you mentioned?
a b V Motherboard
November 2, 2012 8:09:56 PM

Good thing I looked at your mobo support list, it appears that it only supports cpus up to 95w. Not that big of a deal but I will have to change my CPU recommendation.

New CPU recemmendation:

Phenom II X4 945 - $79.99
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

It's a teeny bit slower than the processor I listed above(and cheaper) but is compatible with your motherboard.

Also I would wait till black friday if you can, as there are always good deals to be had and I'm sure you could save some more money over the parts I listed on the deals they have. I just picked the best parts for your budget that were on sale but If you need to buy now, they are a good choice for CPU and GPU.

On the question of new ram, the answer is no. You are not changing your motherboard so it isn't necessary to get new ram. Games don't depend too much on speed but more on size. If you have less than 3 GB I would pick up some more, but your motherboard uses ddr2 which will cost about $70 for 8gb.

On the question to the Intel processor: You would have to purchase a new motherboard to be able to get an intel processor, which would cause you to have to buy a cheaper video card. In addition to that AMD processors have the best bang for your buck in the price range you are shooting for, so I think that an AMD processor is the best path.

Feel free to shoot me any more of your concerns.
November 2, 2012 8:30:41 PM

thor220 said:
Good thing I looked at your mobo support list, it appears that it only supports cpus up to 95w. Not that big of a deal but I will have to change my CPU recommendation.

New CPU recemmendation:

Phenom II X4 945 - $79.99
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

It's a teeny bit slower than the processor I listed above(and cheaper) but is compatible with your motherboard.

Also I would wait till black friday if you can, as there are always good deals to be had and I'm sure you could save some more money over the parts I listed on the deals they have. I just picked the best parts for your budget that were on sale but If you need to buy now, they are a good choice for CPU and GPU.

On the question of new ram, the answer is no. You are not changing your motherboard so it isn't necessary to get new ram. Games don't depend too much on speed but more on size. If you have less than 3 GB I would pick up some more, but your motherboard uses ddr2 which will cost about $70 for 8gb.

On the question to the Intel processor: You would have to purchase a new motherboard to be able to get an intel processor, which would cause you to have to buy a cheaper video card. In addition to that AMD processors have the best bang for your buck in the price range you are shooting for, so I think that an AMD processor is the best path.

Feel free to shoot me any more of your concerns.


ok thanks for the update but is getting core with the graphics card you mentioned enough to run a game such as Guild wars 2 with good decent framerate? Like i dont need to update my mtoherboard jsut the core? Like basically only those 2 core+gfx is enough? My power supply is 550w i think i might up it to 700 or 600+ aswell..

so i dont need to upgrade my motherboard? Just upgrading my core with the one you mentioned is enough to handle http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... to its full its to get the fps i can get with these components? Sorry if im asking too much im really not experienced in these kind of things :( 
a b V Motherboard
November 2, 2012 11:35:23 PM

Yes the AMD Phenom II X4 945 is able to handle the Radeon HD 7850 to it's fullest. I have a video card that is a tiny bit weaker than the one above with the same processor and can max out guild wars 2 at 1920x1080 resolution.

Yes, you do not need to upgrade your motherboard. The only thing you might notice is a bit of a jitter when loading new areas because your ram is a bit slow, but that is not that big of a deal.

FYI, the cpu has 4-cores. I think you said 2-cores above. The AMD Phenom II x4 has 4 cores while your current has 2.

On the power supply, get the 600w, you don't need 700w.

Keep shooting me anymore questions if you have them.

Parts Recap ----------------
Desired CPU:

Phenom II X4 945 - $79.99
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Desired GPU(as per your suggestion):
Radeon HD 7850 - $199.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and your perfect Power supply:
CORSAIR Enthusiast Series 650w - $79.99 after promo code: Halloween1 (ends at midnight, great deal tho.)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
November 3, 2012 12:00:14 AM

thor220 said:
Yes the AMD Phenom II X4 945 is able to handle the Radeon HD 7850 to it's fullest. I have a video card that is a tiny bit weaker than the one above with the same processor and can max out guild wars 2 at 1920x1080 resolution.

Yes, you do not need to upgrade your motherboard. The only thing you might notice is a bit of a jitter when loading new areas because your ram is a bit slow, but that is not that big of a deal.

FYI, the cpu has 4-cores. I think you said 2-cores above. The AMD Phenom II x4 has 4 cores while your current has 2.

On the power supply, get the 600w, you don't need 700w.

Keep shooting me anymore questions if you have them.

Parts Recap ----------------
Desired CPU:

Phenom II X4 945 - $79.99
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Desired GPU(as per your suggestion):
Radeon HD 7850 - $199.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and your perfect Power supply:
CORSAIR Enthusiast Series 650w - $79.99 after promo code: Halloween1 (ends at midnight, great deal tho.)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


sorry but i have been trouble with another member explaining me that if i upgrade graphics card i must upgrade the core and motherboard aswell. Can you explain to me why i dont need to upgrade my motherboard ? He says that my motherboard is too weak and wont make use of the quadcore therefore graphics card aswell i really dont get that can you explain to me? thanks

he also said that you will barely see any difference if you upgrade your core and gfx without upgrading your current motherboard. He suggest me to get new motherboard to my likings (intel) with the sufficient ram i need, the gfx i want and aswell the core. So basically getting a new computer itself
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a b V Motherboard
November 3, 2012 1:50:09 AM

@thor220
are u sure that his mobo can support pII with just bios update...
In cpu support list by ASUS the only pII listed is Phenom IIX3 715 ...........
I'm had concern about that...
a b V Motherboard
November 3, 2012 3:43:37 AM

@rdc85
thanks for your concern, here is the cpu support page for that motherboard. Near the end you will find the cpu on the list in question.

http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_AM2Plus/M3A/#CPUS

here is a few links to people using phenom ii's successfully on that board:
http://www.overclock.net/t/496751/phenom-ii-920-asus-m3...
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=299615
http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9208...

@niker37
The guys on that forum are worried that the gpu might oversaturate the pci-e x16 1.0 slot. The card you picked out may run 10-15% slower than max. You have a couple of choice to make

1) You could just get the GPU, but your motherboard and cpu would limit it's speed
2) You could purchase a CPU & GPU, but your motherboard would limit your gpu's speed
3) You could purchase a CPU & GPU & Motherboard(plus ram), and nothing would limit your speed but would be costly
November 3, 2012 1:45:35 PM

hello i think ive made my deicision but you can still help me tweak out by helping me with probably a lower price but same quality as the one i will mention now:

GFX: Sapphire Radeon Hd 7850 : http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=4...

= $219.99

Processor: Intel Core i5-3450 Quad Core 1155
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=4...

=$199.99


Motherboard: ASUS P8Z77-V PRO SOCKET 1155 INTEL Z77 CHIPSET MOTHERBOARD + PATRIOT VIPER XTREME SERIES 8GB (2X4GB) DDR3 2133MHZ
http://www.canadacomputers.com/Asus_Motherboard/

= $284.99


I shop at MOSTLY Canadas Computer, possibly Newegg if alot cheaper worth shipping, MAYBE tiger direct.

The reason why i went to this decision is because i realized that techonlogy ages fast and in matter of years these will be outdated again like my specs right now after couples years theyre outdated. ALSO black friday sale is coming end of November and December Christmas Sale aswell...

So im guessing that these items should go in sale, i know theyre very costly but i think it's worth it. I would like to anyways switch to an Intel from an AMD even if getting new RAM. Since the motherboard type i picked already includes 8gb RAM for a cost of price i think its worth it and will go down to atleast maybe $200 on sale im not sure.

If possible can you help me find a component that i mentioned that is Almost the same or a little bit lower is fine but for a cheaper price! But right now my goal is getting a new computer overall switching to an Intel upgrading the gfx and processor itself but since im only doing this to play Guild Wars 2 in might be an overkill and waste of money i really dont know once again im not really experienced so i just need your help to find me a cheaper price please thank you:) 

i appreciate your help alot!

Im really trying to range atleast 200 and below i almost dont want to go above 200 but if its really worth it like the Motherboard i mentioned above ill surely buy it but if theres another replacement it would grateful aswell as i decide which one
a b V Motherboard
November 3, 2012 11:46:58 PM

Some helpfull notes:
- That motherboard is overkill for what you want it for, I can definately find a cheaper one
- You don't need ram that fast, there would be no fps difference. Go with ddr3 1600 as it's a good price and appears just as fast as the one your showed above. I looked at the mobo above as well and it can only O.C. to those ram speeds.

Also I need to know your case's compatible form factors so I can choose the right motherboard. I already know that it can handle atx.
November 3, 2012 11:55:03 PM

For my case i would say: http://www.microcenter.com/product/283272/Three_Hundred...

it looks almost like that im pretty sure a mid tower one.

ok i knew it that motherboard would be an overkill but couldnt find another one since i dont know how to look for one but on the price haha . Sorry but i dont understand what you mean RAM? does it refer to the 8gb ram or the mhz how it has 2133 mhz and the other one 1600mhz thats 80$ less than.

Alright i wont ask why there wouldnt be ram difference just to explain to me the motherboard that you can find a cheaper price ..

how about the processor you havent mentioned anything about it so im guessing its good? Its not that overkill one like the motherboard?

also my friend said about thing the motherboard has to be same model with the processor like notice the motherboard i chose is model 1155 and the same with the core thats what he said though..

Note: id like to also add how the motherboard has already included the 8gb RAM saving me $90+
a b V Motherboard
November 4, 2012 12:12:36 AM

Yeah the LGA of the processor has to match the motherboard. Here is a minor suggestion tho -
First switch out that 3450 with the 2500k

same price
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=4...

but it is faster out of the box and you can overclock it if you want unlike the other one you selected. Guild wars 2 is more CPU dependent than other games so you will need that cpu.

Motherboard:
You case does support micro atx but here is a full board for thought. I can get a smaller one for cheaper if you like.

ASRock Z77 Extreme4 - $ 129.99
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=2...

You can pick the ram for this as you may have your preferences, just get ddr3 1600. The video card you found on the site is the best one I could find as well. It's quite hard to navigate the website compared to newegg, lol. Tell me what you think of the parts.

If you buy all the parts: Motherboard, RAM, CPU, and GPU it will cost around $550 total.
November 4, 2012 12:24:03 AM

thor220 said:
Yeah the LGA of the processor has to match the motherboard. Here is a minor suggestion tho -
First switch out that 3450 with the 2500k

same price
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=4...

but it is faster out of the box and you can overclock it if you want unlike the other one you selected. Guild wars 2 is more CPU dependent than other games so you will need that cpu.

Motherboard:
You case does support micro atx but here is a full board for thought. I can get a smaller one for cheaper if you like.

ASRock Z77 Extreme4 - $ 129.99
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=2...

You can pick the ram for this as you may have your preferences, just get ddr3 1600. The video card you found on the site is the best one I could find as well. It's quite hard to navigate the website compared to newegg, lol. Tell me what you think of the parts.

If you buy all the parts: Motherboard, RAM, CPU, and GPU it will cost around $550 total.


sorry to make you go all through the work :(  but can you find me an ASUS mobo if possible instead of ASRock. And you mean by ddr3 1600 is the Memory Ram correct? : http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=2...

also if your having trouble navigating with the canadas computer u can just go newegg give me the model name and ill just look for it if they have it here in canadas computer
a b V Motherboard
November 4, 2012 12:31:52 AM

You are correct and those are some good sticks.

Thanks for the advice!
November 4, 2012 12:35:47 AM

thor220 said:
You are correct and those are some good sticks.

Thanks for the advice!


just incase you didnt see my message umm can u find me an asus mobo instead please ty :) 
November 4, 2012 1:00:33 AM

okay so lets gather all the informations:

GFX: Sapphire RADEON HD 7850
= $219.99

Motherboard: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=2...
= $129.99

Processor: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=4...
=$199.99

RAM: CORSAIR VENGEANCE 8GB
=$37.99

Guild Wars 2
=$59.99

TOTAL: $600.00

Im planning to get these components one by one but the motherboard/processor/ram at the sametime.

The sale begins "Black Friday" Late November 20s
AND, "December Christmas Sale" Late December 20s

Hoping that these will go on sale.

Probably get motherboard/processor/ram + guild wars 2 on Black Friday sale and the GFX on Christmas Sale.

Is this good or should i put it otherway around terms of FPS? mobo/core/ram on november first then gfx on december? or gfx first on november then after 1month mobo/core/ram on december?

What's your advice? I promise this will be the last time i will ever bug you:)  I appreciate your help thus far, wouldnt be able to make up my mind on which one to buy.

EDIT: My PSU is somewhat 500w or 550w not sure but should i keep it at that? :S
a b V Motherboard
November 4, 2012 1:06:38 AM

I'm sure that you can get that price to around $500 from the sales. Remember that you don't have to get these exact parts and just try to get the best bang for your buck. Also Guild wars 2 will go on sale in steam but here it is $2 bucks cheaper.

http://www.greenmangaming.com/s/us/en/pc/games/mmos/gui...
a b V Motherboard
November 4, 2012 1:08:56 AM

Your psu is fine, so long as you don't have 5 hard drives and it isn't a cheapo. Also I would buy segment your purchasing of part like you said above IF you think you can get a better deal. It never hurts to wait on a production that isn't on sale.
November 4, 2012 1:13:32 AM

thor220 said:
I'm sure that you can get that price to around $500 from the sales. Remember that you don't have to get these exact parts and just try to get the best bang for your buck. Also Guild wars 2 will go on sale in steam but here it is $2 bucks cheaper.

http://www.greenmangaming.com/s/us/en/pc/games/mmos/gui...



"Remember that you don't have to get these exact parts"

this totally made me go "LOLWUT"

because after all that help your gunna say that xD:)  i have no other alternates that are better than these but if i happen do find someone else recommend me and explain why then Maybe i will take his word and replace it but if its just me alone ..hmm wont even dare to mess around i might get a bad quality or type one haha!

also in steam i dont see guild wars 2 in store weird..
a b V Motherboard
November 4, 2012 1:22:20 AM

Guild wars 2 isn't on steam, but many other games will go on sale there. Green Man Gaming will have GW2 on sale. Also Let me elaborate on what I said in the post above. You want a sapphire 7850 specifically but there are other manufactures with the same card, save a few tweaks. This means that every other 7850 is essentially the same card and would be ok if you saw another manufacturer's 7850 on a huge sale. This would not apply to motherboards, ram, or cpus. So really only pay attention to the video card sales of the 7850. I hope this cleared things up!
November 4, 2012 1:25:39 AM

thor220 said:
Guild wars 2 isn't on steam, but many other games will go on sale there. Green Man Gaming will have GW2 on sale. Also Let me elaborate on what I said in the post above. You want a sapphire 7850 specifically but there are other manufactures with the same card, save a few tweaks. This means that every other 7850 is essentially the same card and would be ok if you saw another manufacturer's 7850 on a huge sale. This would not apply to motherboards, ram, or cpus. So really only pay attention to the video card sales of the 7850. I hope this cleared things up!


whats a comparison with that card sapphire radeon 7850 to a nvidia model?
If there is should i switch or its just preference between radeon and nvidia.

So i have 2 to refer and keep in mind with the sales
a b V Motherboard
November 4, 2012 1:32:18 AM

Unfortunately Nvidia does not make 7850 cards, only AMD(although I think the two companies should merge, would be awesome). The difference between the two is you save $20 compared to an equally powerful Nvidia card. Also as I said, each manufacturer like asus and sapphire will add little tweaks to there 7850 cards to help them sell but If you find an encouraging sale on a non-sapphire 7850, take it.
November 4, 2012 1:38:52 AM

thor220 said:
Unfortunately Nvidia does not make 7850 cards, only AMD(although I think the two companies should merge, would be awesome). The difference between the two is you save $20 compared to an equally powerful Nvidia card. Also as I said, each manufacturer like asus and sapphire will add little tweaks to there 7850 cards to help them sell but If you find an encouraging sale on a non-sapphire 7850, take it.


i think u misunderstood it anyways i know that nvidia does not make 7850 card

i was asking whats a comparison of the sapphhire radeon 7850 card to a nvidia card meaning is it strong as a gtx 560ti thats comparable ? Something like that a gtx card thats strong as radeon 7850?
November 4, 2012 2:12:04 PM

and im guessing the graphics card and processor is not overkill right? As its needed to run guild wars 2 efficiently with a good FPS ?

BTW that i was only planning to play it on Medium atleast High if possible i dont plan doing Max settings if thats what you thought but i would if its possible and maintain good FPS. I just want a high fps playable no lagg, no spikes (fps bouncing low and high) everytime i enter a town or village with many mobs and or players.

also is this worth $10 same gfx model and type just differ in specs
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=4...
$229.99

or

http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=4...
$219.99

can i get a approx what quality you think ill run gw2 with all together these components?
Im kinda feeling to get a lower version of the sapphire radeon 7850 instead to 7700 for $120
idk is it worth it? I could be saving $100...for the processor ill keep it at that just that the gfx what do you think?

ive been surfing up 1gb vs 2gb graphics card since i only play 1240x1080 i dont think ill benefit from 2gb and save $100 aswell if i go 1gb dont you think? If im correct can you please arrange this :)  was thinking of the sapphire radeon 7700 :http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=4... for $114.99

wortth it?
a b V Motherboard
November 4, 2012 9:59:44 PM

Well if your playing at 1240x1080 that graphics card is way overkill and so is the cpu. You won't need the amount power(We were shooting for Max on HD resolution). So just get this processor:

Phenom II X4 945 - $79.99
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

and

SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 6850 - $149.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

or the sapphire radeon 7700 you mentioned above. (a bit slower but guild wars 2 isn't that demanding) p.s. I would get this if you plan on mostly doing guild wars

(You don't need to get them for these sites, just use for reference)

Much cheaper for you and no need to upgrade your motherboard as this video card won't saturate the pci-e lane. Just make sure to update your bios if you don't have the latest update.

You should be able to still crush guild wars 2 with these 2 parts. Lol wish I knew your resolution before, my fault should have asked.
November 4, 2012 10:29:49 PM

thor220 said:
Well if your playing at 1240x1080 that graphics card is way overkill and so is the cpu. You won't need the amount power(We were shooting for Max on HD resolution). So just get this processor:

Phenom II X4 945 - $79.99
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

and

SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 6850 - $149.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

or the sapphire radeon 7700 you mentioned above. (a bit slower but guild wars 2 isn't that demanding) p.s. I would get this if you plan on mostly doing guild wars

(You don't need to get them for these sites, just use for reference)

Much cheaper for you and no need to upgrade your motherboard as this video card won't saturate the pci-e lane. Just make sure to update your bios if you don't have the latest update.

You should be able to still crush guild wars 2 with these 2 parts. Lol wish I knew your resolution before, my fault should have asked.


Why is 6850 better than 7700 when its higher in version like why is 7700 slower than 6850 i mean?
I play dota 2, and aion apart from guild wars 2.

* They dont sell 6850 sapphire radeon only 7700 and of different sapphire radeon kinds: http://www.canadacomputers.com/advanced_search_result.p...

ok but i would like an intel core please thats compatible with this mobo: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=2...

here are intel core $100 - $ 199 = http://www.canadacomputers.com/search_result.php?manu=I...

*but if YOUR really sure that this core can handle my mobo and gfx and its better than intel like its worth it because im worrying my mobo is very old and running that certain gfu i dont want to have no bottleneck

ok but if i want to upgrade to an intel mobo anyways so whats happening? i still keep same type mobo but core and gfx changing though?

mobo: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=2...

gfx: SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 6850 - $149.99

core: idk yet

these should be good i like to upgrade my mobo anyhow sooo do i still keep the same mobo u recommend me? how about the graphics card is it compatible with this mobo same goes with core ? (link mentioned above of intel cores for $100-$199 idk which one is best for me though.)

*also im not the type of person that always update specs id like a component that would last long time and still be good even in the future...terms of fps/speed/etc.. for gaming mmorpg online

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a b V Motherboard
November 4, 2012 11:47:23 PM
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question: "Why is 6850 better than 7700 when its higher in version like why is 7700 slower than 6850 i mean? "

answer: The 7700 is a newer card but the 6850 is faster because it is an enthusiast level card while the 7700 is high-end mainstream. This means that although the 6850 is older, it still is faster and thus costs more.

Just stick with the 7700, it's more than enough for the games your playing at that resolution

Your build so far:

CPU:
Intel Core i5-2500K -$199
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=4...

Motherboard:
Asus P8Z77-V - $ 129.99
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=2...

Graphics Card:
Sapphire 7770 - $110
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=4...

RAM:
Kingston HyperX Genesis 8GB (2x4GB) - $ 34.99
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=2...

Sub-Total: $474

This should do excellent in guild wars 2
November 5, 2012 12:16:08 AM

Best answer selected by niker37.
November 5, 2012 12:20:50 AM

thor220 said:
question: "Why is 6850 better than 7700 when its higher in version like why is 7700 slower than 6850 i mean? "

answer: The 7700 is a newer card but the 6850 is faster because it is an enthusiast level card while the 7700 is high-end mainstream. This means that although the 6850 is older, it still is faster and thus costs more.

Just stick with the 7700, it's more than enough for the games your playing at that resolution

Your build so far:

CPU:
Intel Core i5-2500K -$199
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=4...

Motherboard:
Asus P8Z77-V - $ 129.99
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=2...

Graphics Card:
Sapphire 7770 - $110
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=4...

RAM:
Kingston HyperX Genesis 8GB (2x4GB) - $ 34.99
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=2...

Sub-Total: $474

This should do excellent in guild wars 2


you said about my core being overkill is it fine as it is now or should i get those cheaper ones and probably save 80 to 90 dollars? :

http://www.canadacomputers.com/search_result.php?manu=I...

*just to make sure since we have filled out every possible hole gaps there are so this will be the ever last time :) 

also Phenom II X4 945 - $79.99
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applica [...] CatId=4431
is not in my motherboard Asus M3A cpu support list: http://ca.asus.com/en/Motherboards/AMD_AM2Plus/M3A/#CPU...

so im guessing that core is not compatible and i was planning to get the Black Edition of it :??: 
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November 6, 2012 2:50:48 AM

Just get the parts on the finalized list. The CPU your getting will last a long time and will help boost your FPS in multi-player games.

The Phenom X4 945 is on the list, but they added a "0" to the end of all the phenom models fore some reason. I googled it and could not find any processors for sale with that model number so it must just be the way they do it. You don't have to worry about that too much though as that is not the processor you are getting.
January 28, 2013 1:06:00 AM

knightdog56 said:
It will, but you should upgrade motherboard, processor, memory [...snip...]


I thought I'd share my findings with a recent upgrade of a similar "ancient" PC. I found this and many similar threads when I googled "upgrade graphics card on old motherboard" and almost invariably the advice was to upgrade everything, not just the graphics. I actually fully understand that, as CPU, RAM, PCIe speeds/throughput continue to evolve and one would expect significant improvements. I was surprised by my results though:

I had a long unused HP Pavilion a6235x desktop in its original HW config (similar to OP's machine), only OS was updated:

Win7 32bit
AMD Athlon 64 x2 Dual Core Processor 6000+ 3.0Ghz
3GB RAM (PC2-5300 DDR2)
Radeon HD 2400 (256MB)
400W power supply

I could simply get a new gaming PC (was looking at Alienware x51) or upgrade pretty much everything other than the case. Or I could go cheap and only swap the graphics board! So I got a ~$70 Radeon 6670 and the boost was enormous! I could run stuff like Crysis 1 + 2 and Rage pretty much maxed out on my 19" 1440x900 monitor! I thought how about trying something even better - so I tried ~$100 Radeon 7750. Everything was much better again, I tried to switch back to the 6670 but of course I didn't like it anymore. So I kept the 7750 - I was thinking about even beefier options, but with those I'd likely need to upgrade the power supply and most/all of them wouldn't fit into my case (plus I didn't want to spend more than $100 anyway).

I found a Crysis 2 benchmark tool and result site that help to quantify what I'm talking about: [link to Adrenaline BenchZone]

With the same 7750 video card, a vastly better machine achieves 1~2 fps more (23 vs 21) on an identical test (I plugged in my large monitor to match the 1920x1080 res used). Highlights of the differences include a mobo with PCIe 3.0 while my old board forces the 7750 to work in PCIe 1.1. Also I was surprised to find that the competing CPU was the i7-3960X 6-core Extreme Edition monster. Other games may require a different CPU/GPU balance than Crysis 2 but I still find my results very interesting... ;) 
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