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December 20, 2012 7:12:56 AM

I have been building computers for around 5 years now, but none of them have been top end, only the 'Angry Bird' or 'SO I can check Facebook' PC... Nothing really that is complicated. I know most of my Ins and outs of PCs, but I am no where near perfect, and probably never will be, so I come to the experts here at Tom's Hardware, asking for advice and opinions, and over all want to know how stupid I am for this build I put together.. While I think alot of it is compatible, I am not sure, as I never had to deal with the Gaming end of things, since I use a Mid Range laptop for all my stuff, which if you see what I use it for... It doesn't do well..

~What the build will be used for~
1. Gaming: BF3, Guild Wars 2 ((Max~<3)), Second Life, maybe some later games.
2. Some 3d Modeling: 3ds MAX 2013 and Maya ((For Second Life, Im not a Hard core multitasker, I am a hobbyist.))
3. Photoshop CS6 extended.

~What I hope my build is..~
I kinda hope my build has some future to it, but I know the deprecation rate of technology is quiet rapid.. I do not plan on doing ANY overclocking what so ever, Id prefer to squeeze as much life out of this as I can.. As I am only able to pay for this as I do COmpTech Work in my county..It took 2 years to save up my money after bills and other necessities of life!

I hope that maybe my Mobo is able to handle DUAL SLI or maybe a Single GTX690..or even handle the GTX680.. I'm no expert with the GTX stuff or any of the top range for that matter. If there is no life to it, feel free to point me to something that might be better suited.

I hope the monitor I have listed will be sufficient. If not I can probably spare another hundred ot two to get a 30 inch..


~Questions~
1. Is there any of today's future proof Mobos that have MSata capability that I could use as a OS Drive in the future when funds allow?

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The Build
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~Case~$59.99
Antec Three Hundred Illusion Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

~Motherboard~ $174.99
ASRock Z77 Extreme6/TB4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

~CPU~ $299.99
Intel Core i7-3770 Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.9GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I73770
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

~CPU COoling~$15.99
LOGISYS Computer IC231PWM 100mm Hydro Bearing Theta 31 CPU Cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

~Thermal Paste~ 9.99
Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver Thermal Compound AS5-3.5G - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

~RAM~ $74.99
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9Q-16GBXL
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

~Hard Drive~ $109.99
Western Digital WD Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

~SATA III~$6.99 each x 4
Silverstone Model SST-CP07 500mm SATA III Cable
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

~GPU~$539.99
VGA 04G-P4-2686-KR GeForce GTX 680 w/ Backplate 4GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


~PSU~$189.99
SILVERSTONE ST1000-P 1000W ATX 12V v2.3 & EPS 12V 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

~DVD/BLu Ray Drive/Burner~
Any suggestions? I wont be making mega videos.. But I would not mind watching Blu Rays.. The most I burn are data disks on the 7GB DVDs which work for me.

~Monitor~$309.99
ASUS VS278Q-P Black 27" 1ms (GTG) HDMI Widescreen LED Monitor 300 cd/m2 80,000,000:1 Built-in Speakers
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

~Mouse~ $39.99
Logitech G500 10 Buttons Dual-mode Scroll Wheel USB Wired Laser 5700 dpi Gaming Mouse

~Keyboard~$49.99
Microsoft SIDEWINDER X4 Keyboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Please go easy on me, @.@ I spent all day working on this and Im not even sure it's a solid build.

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December 20, 2012 9:50:47 AM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($289.98 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus P8H77-V LE ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LP 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($83.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 830 Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($131.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 680 2GB Video Card ($469.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 400R ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 750W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($94.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VS278Q-P 27.0" Monitor ($295.99 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: ROCCAT ISKU Wired Gaming Keyboard ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder Wired Optical Mouse ($49.95 @ Amazon)
Total: $1809.82
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-20 06:44 EST-0500)

* I just calculated and seem that your budget is around $1900

- no need for aftermarket cooler if you are not overclocking.
- no need for Z77 chipset board if you are not overclocking.
- no need for thermal paste the stock cooler that come with the cpu has a thermal paste pre-applied.
- the gtx 680 is a great card but it's overpriced , the 7970 is better and cheaper but i put the gtx 680 because you seem that you like nvidia like me ^^
- 1000W is overpowered psu for even 2 way sli , i chose the 750W in case if you want to put another card in the future.
- check the keyboard and the mice i chose and if you don't like it get back to your choice.
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December 20, 2012 10:46:17 AM

Second all he said^
Though getting radeon may seem right but i advise ot stay on nvidia, because of it has some benefits toward photoshop and 3d applications.
Also you may want to switch to gtx 670 as is it about 100$ cheaper but performance comparing to 680 is almost the same.
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December 20, 2012 6:32:23 PM

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/to8O

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770 3.4GHz Quad-Core $289.98
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Combo or $119.99
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 $84.99
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM $64.99
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 2GB $374.99
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 2GB $374.99
Case: Cooler Master CM 690 II (Black) ATX Mid Tower $59.99
Power Supply: XFX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V $84.99
Optical Drive: LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer $54.99
Monitor: Asus VS278Q-P 27.0" $295.99
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) Combo or $99.99
Keyboard: Cooler Master Storm QuickFire Rapid $51.99
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder Wired Optical $48.99

Base Total: $2051.86
Combo Discounts: -$15.00
Mail-in Rebates: -$45.00
Total: $1991.86




This is me biting the Bullet and 2 way SLIing GTX 2gb 670's.

My Budget range is 2600 which I was going to spend on a Origin PC lappy, but I figured Id build me a Desktop..But I'm still way under budget.. Meaning.. I can save that money for later upgrades when necessary...Don't need to go overboard now.. 9(Says me going SLI >.>)) Since I have this Mid range lappy I'm using for all this right now, Ill keep it and use it for school and stuff. Ill save that Money I had set out for budget as back up incase I have to replace something.

I know I could have went with a Xeon processor ,but I keep hearing rumors its not good for gaming which I do most of the time if I'm not cooking breakfast with Maya, 3ds Max (or Max Design) :p .. Hoepfully if get a computer this strong and futureproof I wont have to worry about running a grill on my laptop :p 
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December 20, 2012 7:18:16 PM

Well firstly you didn't do a bad job choosing components there are some things I would change but they aren't anything all that crazy. Firstly. Starting from the top. you placed a cpu cooler in your build which isn't very good if you were to get a cooler people will suggest the EVO which I'm sure is just fine for the average user. This one isn't a bad option as well its a larger cooler but its not height wise so for most cases you won't have any issue with it. Also its around the same price range as the NH-D14 something to keep ind mind. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (the NH-D14 -->) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168.... With the memory I went with a lower profile kit mainly due to the probability of you at some point putting in a larger heatsink. Cases are a personal touch something I could advise you in but you will have to look at it so I think its best that you choose that cases lately that have caught my eye though have been the NZXT Phantom full tower case, as well as the Fractal Design Refine R4 which has sound dampening padding to make a case super quiet (cooling doesn't suffer much with the case). Graphic wise I've heard from professionals that nvidia plays nicer thus far with Adobe products so I would go with them I typically go with silent in mind and the ASUS cards provide amazing cooling and a really silent product as well. Since you are doing rendering I didn't think it was a good idea to cap your ram limit at 16 that is the ram limit of windows home premium 64 bit 16 where as with professional you can go up all the way to 192 which you would never hit but you could go much higher. In terms of screens I would take a look at the these monitors they are centered more around art/graphic users but have a good gaming appeal as well. Just a couple of suggestions you may or may not have the budget for these. Also in terms of the motherboard I suggested the UP4 do to thunderbolt ports if you aren't really using a ton of ports I would go with a standard board a ASROCK Z77 Extreme 4 for example.

ASUS PROART PA246Q IPS panel (comes pre color calibrated)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
ASUS PB238Q (Another Art type monitor with sufficient game response time)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
ASUS PB278Q (Larger version of the 23 and comes in 1440P)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($314.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UP4 TH ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($174.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LP 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($75.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($90.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 680 2GB Video Card ($505.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Antec Three Hundred Illusion ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 750W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($110.50 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($55.73 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($136.45 @ B&H)
Total: $1515.62
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-20 16:00 EST-0500)
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December 21, 2012 12:43:33 AM

I have changed my build since my OP. Its right above yours, bigshootr8.

~Comments~
1. On my recent build I went with a 3.4gGHZ i7 3770, Cause even that is plenty of power for me, Not to mention 40 dollars more for 100 more GHZ doesnt seem worth it.

2. CPU Cooler/Thermal Compound: I took that off since I heard I wouldn't need it or Thermal compund since I do not plan on overclocking.

3. GPU: I went Dual GTX 670 and bit the bullet saying sod it, might as well cause, given my unpredictable finances..If its not done now, it might never be done. Cause I KNOW for certain that GTX 680 in SLI is over kill for me.

4. Case: I went with the CM 690 Black II ATX (Mid) cause it has USB 3.0 ports and not really wanting to switch out ports and what not.

5. PSU: I am still researching.. I need something that will provide even power distributions with minimal power fluctuations.

6. Mobo, I have that one, see my second post :p .

7. Operating system.. I might upgrade to professional and knock up the RAM but for now I will stick with Home Premium and 16 GB.

8. Optical drive I am still researching so far I like the one I have in my refined build above.

9. Monitor: Monitor was where I had to be careful as I know those can get costly..Trying to stay under the $300 Mark x.x

But Like always, I want suggestions and opinions, while I know there is no better way than to try and see..Not making Hundred dollar mistakes are grand!
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December 21, 2012 12:49:30 AM

Well with a blu ray player you would want a suite that could burn the discs if you went with a blu ray burner so something like nero. And with playback you would want powerdvd since windows media player doesn't natively support blu ray. With dual 670s you may want to look in the 650/750 watt range preferably the 750. You can't go wrong with seasonic based psu's.
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December 21, 2012 12:56:52 AM

Still modifying my build , doing my research and stuff.
I will make a brand new post to bump it to update my changes.
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December 21, 2012 1:28:40 AM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($289.98 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($74.98 @ Outlet PC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($374.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($374.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Cooler Master CM 690 II (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 750W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($84.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VS278Q-P 27.0" Monitor ($295.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Cooler Master Storm QuickFire Rapid Wired Gaming Keyboard ($51.99 @ Newegg)
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder Wired Optical Mouse ($48.99 @ Mac Mall)
Total: $1981.85
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-20 22:28 EST-0500)


~Question~
1. I want peoples opinions.. For what Ill be using the thing for, Would a CPU Fan/Heatsink and Thermal paste be worth it? I want to try and extend the life of it as much as I can :p . If it wont make a difference lifespan wise, I wont get it. Mind you I can spend anywhere form 8 to 12+ hours a day gaming or '3D modeling and what not.

2. Would it be wise to buy spare SATA III cables incase Stock ones go kaput or come busted?
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December 21, 2012 1:57:25 AM

-change the CPU to a xeon e3 1230v2. i7 speed but i5 price
-change to 2x8gb like in my build. cheaper and less load on CPU mem controller
-i have a superior case. id suggest going that route
-use the monitor i suggested. larger monitor is useless when it has the same amount of pixels
-there is a msi power edition gtx 670 for cheaper. get those

you only need 1 video card for 1080p 60hz monitors. the other one would be wasted
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December 21, 2012 2:11:58 AM

To answer your question if you were to overclock it would be worth it or if you wanted to keep your case cooler and quite possibly quieter then a aftermarket cooler would be a good choice. You will however more then likely need to get a lower profile kit G.Skill makes low profile ram there the Ares series. And I wouldn't go off buying sata cables your motherboard should come with enough.
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December 21, 2012 2:40:01 AM

SIgh.. My brain is really starting to hurt c.c Easy to tell I dont know jack *** honestly.

@TheBigTroll
A. I am not sure about using a Server Processor
B. I completely forgot about that, I will amend that.
C. That would be subjective on your views on a case. My concern with your case it.. Wont the 'SIlence' padding increase the amount of heat that remains int he case? But Im no expert sooo!
D. *Shrugs* Touche.
E. Hmm. Ill switch it if I find a better one..

Blegh..True.. Ill have to sacrifice my love of GW2's and BF3's graphics then.. Ah well.. Id probably be better off getting Single GTX 4gb 680 and a 1080p monitor or..maybe a GTX 670 4gb, after doing a few forum searches, god knows the money from the second GTX 670, ((After making up the 680 Price)) the difference can go to getting a better monitor.. I do not plan on SLIing if I get a 680 though..Thats pointless for me. I just need something Future proof , incase there are games that come out that I want to play. Not to mention my 3d Modeling.. My 3d Programs like 3ds Max 2013 and 3ds MAx Design eat up Vram like hotcakes when the details start picking up. @.@
Back to modifying again, @.@

@Bigshootr8
Roger. Guess Ill keep stock then on everything. Ill do mods to my list again and post it up in a moment.
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December 21, 2012 2:55:13 AM

-look at reviews. server chips work fine in consumer boards and consumer chips work fine in server boards minus dual CPU capability. the e3 1230v2 is basically a i7 3770, a tad slower, and no intergrated graphics
-its not that hot actually. its thermals are a touch hotter than the generic case
-there is no point of a 4gb card if you are running 1080p. you should be doing most of your rendering tasks on the CPU anyways. if you really want a 4gb, go ahead but i dont see much of the point
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December 21, 2012 3:07:56 AM

Bf3 will only custome 1.5-1.8 ish video memory at max so you should be okay with video memory. If you were running a higher resolution you would may want to change your approach.

And to defend the reeves you get what case appeals to you the most as long as it has the features you need to complete your build and it supplies enough airflow I don't see an issue with any case that you buy. You are the one that is going to have to look at it everyday pick one you can tolerate. Don't let others window shop for you dude :) 
He is doing rendering and graphic work no need to complicate things the i7 he would like is just fine if he has the funds to get it just get that otherwise the next step up would be intels extreme line the 2011 socket.
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December 21, 2012 3:09:24 AM

My only issue is how certain functions like Ray Tracing can eat through VRAM x.x Which I tend to use sometimes in some of my animations.. I dont do many large projects that use it but I do use it in some of my animations. Thats the only reason I said 4gb.

@Bigshootr8

Ah I see. Then that takes alittle stress off meh mind. Ill stick with a GTX680 2gb posibly. Im going to go see how bad ray tracing will nom on the GTX 680.
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December 21, 2012 3:11:38 AM

If you have something that would chew up the vram get the best solution for you.
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December 21, 2012 3:39:39 AM

Ok.. I am going to go the GTX 2gb 680 Route.. NOW mind you am I am willing to go higher on the Monitor.. If anythign does come out that requires more or my 3d Modeling field Expands way further, then I might look into a SLI of it.

As long as this thing will last me through the gameI look forward to I'm happy :p 

Cooling is always a worry for me. I know I won't be overclocking, but I am not sure the amount of Heat generation the card and CPU will generate when it is under heavy load, even at Stock frequencies. I don't think it will be that bad from all that has been said.. Buuut. Im new to the Gaming PC world so sue meh DX, and this is a lot of money >.>

Ill still be looking at cases and any other stuff.. Any other suggestions to add along to this will be appreciated.. :u

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New Specs
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($289.98 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 680 2GB Video Card ($469.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master CM 690 II (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 750W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($84.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus PA248Q 24.1" Monitor ($319.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Cooler Master Storm QuickFire Rapid Wired Gaming Keyboard ($51.99 @ Newegg)
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder Wired Optical Mouse ($48.99 @ Mac Mall)
Total: $1720.87
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-21 00:37 EST-0500)
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December 21, 2012 3:48:43 AM

the 680 doesnt perform any better than a 670. and evga cards are no better than any other manufacturers cards. they are probably my last choice for a custom cooled card

just get the monitor i suggested. 1200p isnt that useful if you have to pay 100 dollars for a little more screen estate
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December 21, 2012 3:49:37 AM

if cooling worries you, get the xeon. binned for low power consumption and heat. they are also binned for 24/7 operation
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December 21, 2012 6:25:03 AM

Get the screen you would like. ASUS has amazing technical support and makes amazing monitors I suggested the pro arts series monitors for a reason. I believe ASUS has a superior product to AOC in that arena. You don't need 1200p sure but up against the 1080p option I listed it beats the snot out of it. The 680 performs faster then the 670 the problem with the 670 and the 680 is that the 670 often times performs closer to the 680 and passes it sometimes in some areas.
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December 21, 2012 7:44:20 AM

Heres my tweaked build..and Surprisingly WAY under my budget. But I know I will be following up on rebates if I were to/do purchase the parts. But I'm wondering if I should not go the extra mile and spend abit more on the monitor..That's really the only thing that I am stuck on, but here is what I have..

The monitor is a 75hz refresh rate I found and it was under $190 so Im happy :u. Think that is good enough cause.. Getting into the 1200s take a nice price hike.

Question: Is Seagate a relaible source for HDD's, I am hearing alot of negative comments o.o


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($289.98 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 680 2GB Video Card ($457.86 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master CM 690 II (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 750W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($84.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VS247H-P 23.6" Monitor ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Cooler Master Storm QuickFire Rapid Wired Gaming Keyboard ($51.99 @ Newegg)
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder Wired Optical Mouse ($48.99 @ Mac Mall)
Total: $1558.74
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-21 04:43 EST-0500)
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December 21, 2012 9:18:42 AM

Not bad not bad :)  you could also add a SSD if your budget permits a 120-256 would do quite nicely.
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December 21, 2012 9:22:17 AM

What would you suggest be a viable Option.. If Im gonna use a SSD..Im gonna use it for either my OS or my OS and my 3d Programs.. My games Im not to worried about. Well any particular manufacture that stands out to you? Since I am way under my 2600 budget.. I am sure I can spare for a SSD. To Part picker!



http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-driv...

128GB Samsung SSD :u?

There is one problem.. If Windows is installed on a SSD, I don't not if you can move the AppData folders and stuff to the Storage drive cause AppData is a party loving file that loves to have fun c.c.. I know there is a way to Rename the storage drives letter.. Ill just have to Google it though.

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December 21, 2012 9:59:09 AM

The only issue is, They will fail there is no doubt about that..Especially since my 3d Design softwares will be on it o.o

All 3 look good.. I just know given what I do they might die quickly o.o If I have to replace it in a few months that would suck xP. But Im not familiar with SSD's. I am assuming right process is data be wrote, not accessed and launched like executing Maya, or 3ds Max. Right? If so the only writing might be windows updates, driver updates and maybe updates to my software, if TRIM is enabled it cuts back more on writing?

If I was to put my 3d Design Software and The 2 games I play the most GW2 and BF3, and my 3d modeling software, How badly would the SSD's lifepsan be reduced? From their frequent use if TRIM is active.
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December 21, 2012 10:03:02 AM

-dude, change back to a 670. 680s perform no better. my card that i chose comes overclocked and already performs the same as a 680
-needs a SSD. samsung 830 256gb is going for 169.95 which is a good deal
-picked wrong seagate. look for the one that is priced 67.99, or pay 2 bucks more and get more warranty by going with a WD blue drive
-dude, go with a xeon. save money. did you read the reviews for it? everyone is using them in consumer boards
-the monitor you chose would be inferior to the AOC i recommended since it is a TN, which doesnt have near as much quality in the images. if you are going to use asus, get this
-id still go with a fractal case. half the noise for only 2-3c more in temps

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/tuvQ
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December 21, 2012 10:04:26 AM

SSDs are both faster at read and write. they are superior to hard drives in every possible way other than capacitiy
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December 21, 2012 10:38:39 AM

the ms means almost nothing. 60hz is not capable of refreshing at 2ms anyways.

and all ips monitors 5ms and above. dont see any lag on my pa238qr.
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December 21, 2012 10:50:37 AM

TheBigTroll said:
the ms means almost nothing. 60hz is not capable of refreshing at 2ms anyways.

and all ips monitors 5ms and above. dont see any lag on my pa238qr.

ok but if there is a 2ms monitor at the same price why not ?
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December 21, 2012 10:52:33 AM

because it has bad colour reproduction. its not IPS as well
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December 21, 2012 11:44:55 AM

I would either go with a Samsung 830 or a Samsung 840 Professional personally but its up to you the Samsung 830's have been really cheap of late. Reeves you won't have to worry about TRIM slowing you down its actually a good thing. And since you won't be writing much to a 120 GB drive I'd say you are safe. TRIM will help your drive last longer not shorter.

With him doing rendering/editing a IPS display is probably preferred there are a lot of them. I feel more secure with a company like Asus primarily because there ARR Service. Something goes wrong you get a paid shipment back and then as you send it they send you one back so there is no wait look at it send something back. Plus Judging by the one you recommended the quality isn't nearly as high with this one per say. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Someone one who 3D renders will more then likely not be interested in a TN+ 120 hz monitor.

Also the 670, 680 deal 680's are better and yea a 670 is a better value but a 680 is a better card overclocks are a non factor because you can get a factory overclock card of any variation of any series of cards. Would I go with a 680 given how close they are together the 670 and 680 no but hes well below his budget he can handle it.

And we can argue till the are faces are blue what case you should get I want the Cosmos 2 a 300 dollar case but see I'm not him he can buy what he wants because he is going to look at it all the time and he has a solid case chosen which should suffice his needs.
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December 21, 2012 12:30:39 PM

Its more expensive but I have trust in Asus as they have never let me down int he past. I am willing to make the cost sacrifice.

My monitor I have chosen is a IPS.

I am not comfortable using a SSD right now so I took it out, but I will look at it as a very viable option in the future, for now I'm just not comfortable with it.


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($289.98 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus SABERTOOTH Z77 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($229.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($66.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 680 2GB Video Card ($528.49 @ Newegg)
Case: Antec Nine Hundred ATX Mid Tower Case ($92.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 750W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($110.50 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($56.23 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($172.60 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Keyboard: Cooler Master Storm QuickFire Rapid Wired Gaming Keyboard ($51.99 @ Newegg)
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder Wired Optical Mouse ($48.99 @ Mac Mall)
Total: $1803.72
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-21 09:28 EST-0500)

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December 21, 2012 2:16:40 PM

-use a xeon. cheaper and more reliable
-sabertooth is a scam. heatsheild makes motherboard hotter.
-use a ssd. more durable than hard drives. why so paranoid
-fix hard drive choice. you are using a older model
-NO. JUST NO. a 670 performs the same as a 680, yet costs 100 dollars less. and if i was to chose a 680, it would be solely for the purpose of overclocking, and that choice would be a msi lighting. yet still, a 670 performs the same. i dont see why you would pay more when the lower price gets you the same.
-you power supply is no better than mine. its basically the same units
-the pa series are better. calibrated from the factory for accuracy unlike others
-the fractal is A MUCH better case than the 902. more cabling room, usb3 natively, and gromments for cables
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December 21, 2012 4:24:42 PM

1. Have a hard on for Xeon's don't yah. In the long run if I was doing nothing but 3d Rendering and animation, a Xeon would be very useful, ESPECIALLY when using Ray tracing, that is one computational hog. For me. I mix Gaming and rendering, I may not be a tech Genius, but I Googled alot on the processors, but I don't see the advantage of a Xeon, save for the Power watt and cooler running.

PSU: Modular, use only cables I need, so less crap. But yeah no differnece between the ones we chose.

Case: It has USB 3.0 on it as well. And your being subjective, Everyone has thre opinion on cases, There probably is no true superior case per se. Everyone has the one they swear to, like you and the Fractal one. Me, I am pretty much blinding having to research everyone within my budget. When you deal with cheap aluminum flimsy cases on a daily basis...Anything is better. But I'm still researching cases, cause Im gonna have to be staring at it for a LONG time =P

GPU: So sue I want top end crap. Im always stuck with the Lower mid range crap, just the thought of having a 680 or a 690 is almost enough to make me faint @>@, But.. I believe a GTX 670 Will work since the 4g is just as close as the Nvidia GTX 680 2 gig.

Mobo: *Shrugs* I haven't seen anything bad on it and I did several searches and I found nothing about the 'Thermal' armor causing over heating. Some was Heatsink issues or improper thermal paste use. Well I know its gimmicky but I do like the looks of it >.< Im a oddball so sue me. I know ill have to manually set the fans to to cool at the right RPM. SO its fine for me.

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December 21, 2012 4:36:33 PM

-well i doubt you know that a xeon uses the same die and the same chip as the i7 3770, just no graphics, uses less power and is a ton cheaper

-thats funny because the xfx is modular

-actually there is. you can assemble in a case that is thought out properly and has good mounting much faster than a case that was based on a older design that does not have things like gromments and proper cabling space. the fractal is not made of aluminum but steel. and its 25 pounds empty

-no. the 670 2gb is the same as a 680 2gb. vram doesnt improve speed in games

--thermal armour does not cause overheating, but it does cause things to heat up. you say it prevents dust buildup, yet you have to have fans to cool the insides. how do you remove the dust inside the plastic shell?

-if thermal armour really worked, i would see every other manufacturer doing that. but nope. dont see it
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December 21, 2012 4:52:30 PM

1. Yes I know it uses the same damn die. I read all that in my searches, but if I had to hazard a semi educational guess, that it would not process graphics as fluidly as say a I7, well I guess in a way enhance them. But I have a feeling that deals with the instruction set.

2. Yes I know the XFX is modular, Thats why I had originally taken it, but being me, I don't have money to take risks, so I am going with name brans I do know and and have used in the past with PSU's.

3. Case is a iffy thing for me, I'm still searching, while I don't deny I like the Fractal designs, but is is steel, plastic, or aluminum? Steel I know is more silent cause of its rigidity, Plastic I dunno..Alumimum...HELI BLADES!

4. Hard Drive: When SSD's prices drop more I will consider getting one, for now its not viable for me. FOr now I will just use a Caviar Black 1TB.
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December 21, 2012 5:07:16 PM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($289.98 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V PRO ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($189.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($90.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($379.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($104.55 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 750W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($110.50 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($56.23 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($172.60 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Keyboard: Cooler Master Storm QuickFire Rapid Wired Gaming Keyboard ($51.99 @ Newegg)
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder Wired Optical Mouse ($48.99 @ Mac Mall)
Total: $1650.78
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-21 14:53 EST-0500)

SHould aaskd this, it it safe to assume the PSU comes with all the cords for everything :u? The Mobo HDD the GPU and what not, or do they come with their own individual cords? And will they be long enough to reach the PSU given where its located in the case. I hope no other cords need to be bought <,<.
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December 21, 2012 6:42:23 PM

You don't lose anything from getting a 4 GB 670. You mentioned that something you do can take up that amount of VRAM I don't see the harm in it. Yea you don't gain anything gaming wise but having it for your work environment is nice. The Fractal cases I believe are steel. There was a youtube video I watched the other day were a guy took a shotgun to the side of a fractal case was funny stuff and it didn't penetrate. Its a great case the R4 its what I've been eye balling because I really am more of a silent pc user I don't need a light show to get me going. I also agree with the Sabertooth board unless you want that super heavily tested stable board you are probably fine with a middle of the line board. Just remember Powerdvd for blu rays nothing touches it I watch blu rays on my computer at least a few times a week.
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December 21, 2012 7:14:42 PM

1. Didn't dawn on me at the time, Is Corsair memory compatible with the ASUS Mobo I have chosen o.o?

2. I might go 4gb GTX 670 for the Work Environment use of it cause 3d Programs push past that I believe, wll can.
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December 21, 2012 7:18:48 PM

1. yes corsair memory is supported with your asus motherboard its 1.5 volts and 1600 which is supported by your board most definitely.

2. Like I said if you can use it do it! :)  In gaming typically you wont use more then 2 but if you can find use for the extra in a work environment I see no harm.
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December 21, 2012 7:28:51 PM

Ok. :u

Ill do a bit of calculating on my funds. I want to see if there is anything else I need to invest in..Save for a SSD, that comes later.
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December 21, 2012 7:34:10 PM

At this point I would put a SSD on top of things I would upgrade in the future. Plus the R4 has hidden SSD mounts in the back of the case which amuses me :D 
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December 21, 2012 11:24:02 PM

jwreeves88 said:
1. Yes I know it uses the same damn die. I read all that in my searches, but if I had to hazard a semi educational guess, that it would not process graphics as fluidly as say a I7, well I guess in a way enhance them. But I have a feeling that deals with the instruction set.

2. Yes I know the XFX is modular, Thats why I had originally taken it, but being me, I don't have money to take risks, so I am going with name brans I do know and and have used in the past with PSU's.

3. Case is a iffy thing for me, I'm still searching, while I don't deny I like the Fractal designs, but is is steel, plastic, or aluminum? Steel I know is more silent cause of its rigidity, Plastic I dunno..Alumimum...HELI BLADES!

4. Hard Drive: When SSD's prices drop more I will consider getting one, for now its not viable for me. FOr now I will just use a Caviar Black 1TB.


-there is no difference in the instruction set. only the higher end 1155 chips get dual socket support, but then this isnt it. therefore i dont see your reasoning that a technically inferior chip can do things better than a xeon, which was designed for workstations

-im sorry but xfx gets their psus from seasonic, the one that you have chosen is made by CWT. slightly less in terms of quality (80+ silver model). just go out to the psu forums and post is seasonic a good brand? about 100% of the people would say yes.

-its steel. and kinda bulletproof
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December 21, 2012 11:26:39 PM

-if you are to use the v-pro, can you use absolutely everything that it offers? no? get a cheaper board

-black drives perform no better. get a WD blue. the name black just means more warranty and a in theory better performer (by like 5mb/s. negligible)

-you are going to have to reinstall windows, reactivate windows, reload all your software, and reload all your games in the future when you want to install a SSD

-dont get the window R4. the non window is 30 bucks cheaper

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December 21, 2012 11:47:12 PM

I would prefer the non window R4 myself It offers better cooling. However if you want the window due to aesthetics the ability to look into you rig I can understand you wanting to spend the extra money.

In terms of the drives the Cache is higher in the Black then most Blue will be. And you spend around the same amount honestly for the blue and black with that amount of cache. You also get features with the black that are more aimed towards power users which I think is a good choice for him to go especially if hes not out of the gate going for a SSD if he was going for a SSD he could chip a little bit off the hard drive.

And maybe you are right troll on the motherboard I honestly would only spend that kind of money on a motherboard if I was overclocking or if I was going for a board with thunderbolt like the gigabyte UP4 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You could save a little on boards like this which are just as good.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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December 22, 2012 12:06:31 AM

1. I only wanted the WIndow just to flaunt my Ego at my friends who game with me !!! :p 

2. Im fine with the WD Black.

3. Mobo, I agree with you on, sinc eI am not a Overclocker and probably won't be, I doubt I'd need alot of those features so I switched to the V LK.. AsRock.. *SHrugs* I'm not sure. Had success with Asus in the past..Maybe I won't get a sour apple.

Switching the Case and Mobo have dropped me to almost 1k below at maximum budget amount so I can not complain.

What is the Write life of a SSD, not Hour time span, but Data amount write span, each block can only have so much wrote to it if memory serves, which causes deterioration if a SSD is constantly being accessed and Data wrote to it. In the OS..'AppData folder' is more active that streetwalkers in LA in terms of Data being wrote and stored in it..

I do not mind backing up my files and stuff, I have a 200g EXT HDD I can use for my self contained games such as Guild Wars 2 :p  My Docs, Animations, Meshes etc.
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Right now..I could... Drop the 1tb and get a 750 GB 7200RPM HDD and get a a SSD.. Cause the only time I would fill up 750 gigs if I do lengthy Animations, or mega sized pictures in Photoshop.. Which those are few and VERY far between. Otherwis eit would be Game sliek TL2, L4D2, BFBC2 etc

Only Photoshop CS6e, Blender, WIngs 3d, Sculptris, 3ds Max 2013, 3ds Max Desgin 2013, Maya, Guild Wars 2,Battlefield 3 would go on a SSD.

Maybe Hexagon and Bryce as well, I have so many softwares.. Even though I know I wont use em all, still nice to have em.
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December 22, 2012 12:12:15 AM

1. Perfectly fine dude :)  flex the epeen
2. check
3. Motherboard wise just get what you are comfortable with there isn't anything wrong with the board you had the thing though is most of the time in the mid market motherboards it becomes harder to see the difference with them and the cheaper boards.

4. You don't use a SSD really to write a bunch I mean if you had a larger drive like a 256 you could probably write/render quite a bit faster then a normal HDD. I don't have the times but you can youtube people rendering stuff and I'm certain its faster.

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December 22, 2012 12:18:03 AM

I see.. Hmm. basically..Just use the SSD to acess the programs and use it.. then save the works to the HDD so nothing is wrote to the SSDs, well save for updating a software. Or installign Addons, plugins or DLC , depending ont he program?

It is tempting to just Drop to a 750 and get a SSD to hide ont he Mobo Backing :p  But that is for later. For now I just need something for now to game and design on without fear of having to cook my wrists.
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