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December 20, 2012 5:53:43 PM

Hello,
Ive been a console gamer all my life and want to switch to pc.Steam deals on games has won me over also to make the switch to pc.I need help finding the cheapest components to have a decent gaming pc all i will be doing is gaming only and web browsing simple stuff.

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December 20, 2012 6:43:56 PM

What is your budget?
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December 20, 2012 6:57:31 PM

tiny voices said:
What is your budget?

$300-400
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December 20, 2012 6:58:55 PM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix sport 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($57.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7770 1GB Video Card ($108.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: NZXT Gamma Classic (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Antec 450W ATX12V Power Supply ($30.95 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $406.88
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-20 15:58 EST-0500)

This should play most modern games on medium and games a year or 2 old on high settings.
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December 20, 2012 7:08:08 PM

For that kind of thing it's always the best having a better gpu :


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Pentium G860 3.0GHz Dual-Core Processor ($63.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI B75MA-P45 Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix sport 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Galaxy GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB Video Card ($130.49 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT Gamma Classic (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Antec 450W ATX12V Power Supply ($30.95 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $404.38
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

or if you can spend more :

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Pentium G860 3.0GHz Dual-Core Processor ($63.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ECS H61H2-M2(1.0) Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($41.97 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix sport 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7850 1GB Video Card ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Gamma Classic (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Antec 450W ATX12V Power Supply ($30.95 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $410.86
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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December 20, 2012 7:08:42 PM

tiny voices said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix sport 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($57.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7770 1GB Video Card ($108.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: NZXT Gamma Classic (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Antec 450W ATX12V Power Supply ($30.95 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $406.88
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-20 15:58 EST-0500)

This should play most modern games on medium and games a year or 2 old on high settings.

thanks i watched some vids on youtube for the amd phenom II BE quad core and it played battlefield 3 really good how long u think the phenom will last me tell i need to upgrade?
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December 20, 2012 7:13:52 PM

If you want to play battlefield I would definitely go for the 965BE. IT should last another 2 years or so before the newer mid range GPU's will begin to be bottlenecked. Anything at your budget will only make it a year or 2 before it needs to be upgraded to keep up. I have a 965BE and when overlocked (which this chip does well) won't bottleneck and modern mid-high end cards. A 7870 would run just fine with one.
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December 20, 2012 7:15:54 PM

djangoringo said:
For that kind of thing it's always the best having a better gpu :


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Pentium G860 3.0GHz Dual-Core Processor ($63.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI B75MA-P45 Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix sport 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Galaxy GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB Video Card ($130.49 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT Gamma Classic (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Antec 450W ATX12V Power Supply ($30.95 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $404.38
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

or if you can spend more :

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Pentium G860 3.0GHz Dual-Core Processor ($63.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ECS H61H2-M2(1.0) Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($41.97 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix sport 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7850 1GB Video Card ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Gamma Classic (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Antec 450W ATX12V Power Supply ($30.95 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $410.86
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

thanks which would give me better stable fps amd phenom or pentium?? or its all bout gpu??
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December 20, 2012 7:18:59 PM

The GPU does matter the most. Most of the time its 90% GPU and 10% CPU. Some games like battlefield and skyrim use more CPU than other games. Battlefield is one particular game where a 965BE will shine noticeably over a pentium.
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December 20, 2012 7:23:41 PM

No, not skyrim and no, battlefield 3 will depend on the card, a 7770 is barely playable on 1080p whatever the cpu is used, a 7850 IS playable at ultra 1080p.
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December 20, 2012 7:24:15 PM

i see a amd vs intel will begin lol
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December 20, 2012 7:31:15 PM

djangoringo said:
No, not skyrim and no, battlefield 3 will depend on the card, a 7770 is barely playable on 1080p whatever the cpu is used, a 7850 IS playable at ultra 1080p.





do u have any vids on youtube??
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December 20, 2012 7:48:52 PM

djangoringo said:
No, not skyrim and no, battlefield 3 will depend on the card, a 7770 is barely playable on 1080p whatever the cpu is used, a 7850 IS playable at ultra 1080p.


Wait, uhm, you think a 7850 can play BF3 on ultra?

Yet another stunning example of ignorance... The quad core is going to flatten the dual core in multiplayer, hands down.

He's also not looking to play on ultra settings anyways, and is probably going to be playing on a 720p HDTV anyways... giving the Phenom II even more of an advantage.
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December 20, 2012 7:56:11 PM

DarkSable said:
Wait, uhm, you think a 7850 can play BF3 on ultra?

Yet another stunning example of ignorance... The quad core is going to flatten the dual core in multiplayer, hands down.

He's also not looking to play on ultra settings anyways, and is probably going to be playing on a 720p HDTV anyways... giving the Phenom II even more of an advantage.



i just want to play any game thats interest me and decent fps and resolution this rig will just be a starter rig lol cause i still need to learn more
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December 20, 2012 7:57:49 PM

ThaxMessiahx said:
i just want to play any game thats interest me and decent fps and resolution this rig will just be a starter rig lol cause i still need to learn more


Exactly what we're saying - you'll get better performance out of a balanced rig in this case.

What resolution is the monitor / tv you'll be using? That's the main dictator of what graphics card you'll need.
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December 20, 2012 8:02:03 PM

DarkSable said:
Exactly what we're saying - you'll get better performance out of a balanced rig in this case.

What resolution is the monitor / tv you'll be using? That's the main dictator of what graphics card you'll need.



at least 720p if lower res thats fine too...
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December 20, 2012 8:05:39 PM

You won't need lower - that'll be handled pretty easily with a 7770.

The best option is to go a little above budget and get a Phenom II AND a 7850, but if not, I highly, highly recommend getting the Phenom II - the quad core is going to help a lot, especially in BF3.
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December 20, 2012 8:08:53 PM

DarkSable said:
You won't need lower - that'll be handled pretty easily with a 7770.

The best option is to go a little above budget and get a Phenom II AND a 7850, but if not, I highly, highly recommend getting the Phenom II - the quad core is going to help a lot, especially in BF3.



ok thats kool do u have a steam account??
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December 20, 2012 8:12:04 PM

The 7850 is much better, and can play 1080p(actually it's 1920x1200) ultra :

26 fps for 7770 (not playable), ~40 fps for 7850(playable)
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Club_3D/HD_7850_RoyalQueen/im...

And overclocked : http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Club_3D/HD_7850_RoyalQueen/im...

Even at 720p the 7770 doesn't get 60 fps, the 7850 get 60 fps...

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Club_3D/HD_7850_RoyalQueen/im...

Crysis 2 : http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Club_3D/HD_7850_RoyalQueen/im... @ 720

Metro 2033 : http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Club_3D/HD_7850_RoyalQueen/im...

The Pentium G860 is better cpu for gaming also.


See this :


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-o...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/budget-gaming-do-it...
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December 20, 2012 8:27:14 PM

djangoringo said:
The 7850 is much better, and can play 1080p(actually it's 1920x1200) ultra :

26 fps for 7770 (not playable), ~40 fps for 7850(playable)
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Club_3D/HD_7850_RoyalQueen/im...

And overclocked : http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Club_3D/HD_7850_RoyalQueen/im...

Even at 720p the 7770 doesn't get 60 fps, the 7850 get 60 fps...

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Club_3D/HD_7850_RoyalQueen/im...

Crysis 2 : http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Club_3D/HD_7850_RoyalQueen/im... @ 720

Metro 2033 : http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Club_3D/HD_7850_RoyalQueen/im...

The Pentium G860 is better cpu for gaming also.


See this :


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-o...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/budget-gaming-do-it...



yea im going to get the 7850 card cpu i need to research more on the pentium on youtube i seen the phenom 965 play really good with 7850 card...ill look over your info i still havent picked a cpu yet
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December 20, 2012 8:27:29 PM

I never said the 7850 wasn't better... of course it is. But, as an aside, the only 7770 on that list of yours was a mobile chip. Of course that wouldn't get good framerates.

As for the processors, the reason I'm pushing the Phenom II is because it is a quad core, and on games such as BF3 MULTIPLAYER, which is the only one the OP has mentioned, that fact will help a LOT.
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December 20, 2012 8:38:12 PM

DarkSable said:
I never said the 7850 wasn't better... of course it is. But, as an aside, the only 7770 on that list of yours was a mobile chip. Of course that wouldn't get good framerates.

As for the processors, the reason I'm pushing the Phenom II is because it is a quad core, and on games such as BF3 MULTIPLAYER, which is the only one the OP has mentioned, that fact will help a LOT.



i forgot to mention how good will the phenom 965 be able to run arma2??
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December 20, 2012 8:40:32 PM

At 720p?

You should be able to run a mix of medium and high settings and still do just fine.
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December 20, 2012 8:45:43 PM

DarkSable said:
At 720p?

You should be able to run a mix of medium and high settings and still do just fine.


not bad... is metro 2033 a demanding game ill prob play that also mmo's i guess shouldnt be a issue
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December 20, 2012 8:45:43 PM

DarkSable said:
I never said the 7850 wasn't better... of course it is. But, as an aside, the only 7770 on that list of yours was a mobile chip. Of course that wouldn't get good framerates.

As for the processors, the reason I'm pushing the Phenom II is because it is a quad core, and on games such as BF3 MULTIPLAYER, which is the only one the OP has mentioned, that fact will help a LOT.



It wasn't a 7770 mobile, it was a 7770, did you see the m on it ?, techpowerup only compares desktop cards, get it straight.

The Pentium G860 is better cpu for gaming, faster cores, and he can upgrade latter on for a i5 ivybridge.
And when he does that, it blows out of the water any amd cpu has to offer.

See here the Pentium G850 vs x4 965 be : http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/404?vs=102

See toms hardware recommendation for less 100$ cpu for gaming : http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-o...

In games it's better than the 965, and that's the 850, not the 860 which is slightly better.

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December 20, 2012 8:48:59 PM

djangoringo said:
It wasn't a 7770 mobile, it was a 7770, did you see the m on it ?, techpowerup only compares desktop cards, get it straight.

The Pentium G860 is better cpu for gaming, faster cores, and he can upgrade latter on for a i5 ivybridge.
And when he does that, it blows out of the water any amd cpu has to offer.



u no any vids on youtube thats shows pentium g860 gaming with 7850 card??
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December 20, 2012 8:55:11 PM

Toms hardware test it with the G860 and a 7850 :

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/budget-gaming-do-it...

They wouldn't lie :

We already determined that an overclocked GeForce GTX 560 or GTX 560 Ti is the lowest-end card you'd want to play through Battlefield 3's single-player campaign at 1680x1050 using the Ultra quality preset. Last quarter, we picked up about 15%-higher frame rates from our graphics card overclock, but that still wasn't enough to make 1920x1080 viable.

Our current PC is 20% faster at 1680x1050 and 1920x1080. And, after a run through of the demanding “Operation Guillotine” level, we're calling it playable at our highest test settings, even if there were brief drops down into the mid-20 to low-30 FPS.

Thankfully, we didn’t need to settle for borderline playability. In story form, we had barely begun to tap the Radeon HD 7850's full potential. Using last quarter's stock machine as our baseline, we squeezed 50%-higher frame rates (on average) out of the four tested resolutions. More important, the gains were greater-than-50% at the two resolutions most interesting to us. At 1920x1080, performance during “Operation Guillotine” rarely dipped below 40 FPS!
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December 20, 2012 8:58:59 PM

Also take in mind that you can upgrade latter to an i5 ivybridge which is better than the amd options for upgrade.
The intel offers i5 or i7 ivybridge.
The amd the FX series which don't stand for the intel cpus.

Also this with a pentium G620+7850 (the cpu is far inferior to the 860) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAlXYqHEUKk
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December 20, 2012 9:04:03 PM

djangoringo said:
Toms hardware test it with the G860 and a 7850 :

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/budget-gaming-do-it...

They wouldn't lie :

We already determined that an overclocked GeForce GTX 560 or GTX 560 Ti is the lowest-end card you'd want to play through Battlefield 3's single-player campaign at 1680x1050 using the Ultra quality preset. Last quarter, we picked up about 15%-higher frame rates from our graphics card overclock, but that still wasn't enough to make 1920x1080 viable.

Our current PC is 20% faster at 1680x1050 and 1920x1080. And, after a run through of the demanding “Operation Guillotine” level, we're calling it playable at our highest test settings, even if there were brief drops down into the mid-20 to low-30 FPS.

Thankfully, we didn’t need to settle for borderline playability. In story form, we had barely begun to tap the Radeon HD 7850's full potential. Using last quarter's stock machine as our baseline, we squeezed 50%-higher frame rates (on average) out of the four tested resolutions. More important, the gains were greater-than-50% at the two resolutions most interesting to us. At 1920x1080, performance during “Operation Guillotine” rarely dipped below 40 FPS!



ill read info u just linked me..i always here intel processors are more powerful then amd is it true??
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December 20, 2012 9:31:08 PM

djangoringo said:
Yes.

Here's some gameplay with a 7850 and a pentium G620(which is worse, the 860 is better).
It's mp and its settings are ultra.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAlXYqHEUKk



ill check it out do u have a steam name??
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