DOWNGRADE TO MAKE BUILD CHEAPER??!?

What's your budget? What are you going to use the PC for?

Budget is about $800 but $850 is its a major imporvement

It depends on what you're doing with it.

If you're gaming, you can easily drop the processor to a 3570k or a 3570 or 3470 if you're not planning to overclock, but you should really upgrade the gpu.

I would go for a cheaper psu. A 650W should be enough.

If you aren't planning to overclock, get a non-k series cpu, and ditch the liquid cooling. Stock cooling or a cooler master 212 should be fine.

A big place to drop the cost would be the case. You can get some decent ones for under $100. I think that cases over $200 should only be used if the computer is completely overkill (>$2000) or will be used for many builds.

Im using the build for gaming and I want to overclock, and keep the CPU nice and cool so I can play for hours.

OK, I'd drop the 3770K to a 3570K if you're just gaming. I think you can get a better deal on some other RAM if you buy in a pair of 4GB DIMMs. That 800D is way too much case for your build. Drop it down to something around $100. You should be able to push your GPU up after taking some of these steps (and the ones above). Maybe look at a 660 Ti.

Gimme a sec I am making some modifications

in that case drop down to a core i5 3570k (you'll see no benefit in gaming with an i7) and as poutinerocks said a cooler master hyper 212 should be enough for cooling. Also, i really like this Corsair case which will also save you money: http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Carbide-Series-Computer-CC-9011011-WW/dp/B0055Q7BR4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1356206399&sr=8-1&keywords=corsair+400r

Use the money saved to definitely get a better gpu like a 7950

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($129.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock 970 EXTREME4 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($97.87 @ Newegg)
Memory: Samsung 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($88.98 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB Video Card ($239.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($65.48 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($56.23 @ Amazon)
Total: $823.51
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-22 15:01 EST-0500)

You could go with this AMD build if you want to experiment with overclocking.

I'm making an Intel build gimme a sec

I do not like to go with an AMD when it comes to computers.

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CPU:  Intel Core i5-3330 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($177.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
CPU Cooler:  Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($24.99 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard:  MSI Z77MA-G45 Micro ATX  LGA1155 Motherboard  ($89.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory:  Samsung 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($39.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage:  Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($88.98 @ Newegg) 
Video Card:  Asus Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB Video Card  ($239.99 @ NCIX US) 
Case:  Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($79.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply:  Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply  ($51.98 @ Newegg) 
Optical Drive:  Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer  ($56.23 @ Amazon) 
Total: $850.13
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-22 15:05 EST-0500)

This gives you a Quad-Core 3330, which isn't overclockable but will perform way better than the 6300 and will run cooler with a better upgrade path. The motherboard is MicroATX, only for costs -- your performance won't take an impact.

If you don't like AMD I'll give you a cheap Intel build

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CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($109.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z77MA-G45 Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Samsung 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($88.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: OCZ Vertex 4 64GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($279.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($56.23 @ Amazon)
Total: $849.63
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-22 15:11 EST-0500)

Here is a cheap Intel Build with a 7950, a fast SSD for boot, and a 3220. The case isn't as good, but if performance is all you care about this will fly.

Is a blu-ray drive a requirement? You could go with a DVD drive and save about $30
Since you won't be overclocking if you go with bctande1's Intel build, you could drop the cpu cooler, and just use the stock one. You could then use the extra $25 to get a slightly better cpu.

This is my new build, can it go any cheaper?

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/tFco
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/tFco/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/tFco/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H80 92.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($88.98 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 650 Ti 2GB Video Card ($159.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair 400R ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($56.23 @ Amazon)
Total: $915.13
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-22 15:20 EST-0500)

poutinerocks said:

Is a blu-ray drive a requirement? You could go with a DVD drive and save about $30
Since you won't be overclocking if you go with bctande1's Intel build, you could drop the cpu cooler, and just use the stock one. You could then use the extra $25 to get a slightly better cpu.

For the 3220 I can see what your saying but Intel doesn't really have any CPUs still the 180~ mark that are worth upgrading to. The thing is I added that if he were to ever upgrade CPU to an unlockable, he would have to the 212.

20$ on the 3220 build wouldn't really do much unless I took out the SSD as well.

For the 3330, the thing thing is that the next logical CPU upgrade would be a 2500k or a 3570k, but if he were to do that he would have to use the stock cooler because we took out the 212 to make the CPU upgrade anyway.

It just really depends on upgrade path

Dude your making some key mistakes with your build that go against the premise of keeping costs low.

CPU -- You don't need a 3570k to game man there are CPUs that cost way lower and game just fine. The 3570k is a great CPU but its expensive, and going for a 3330 or a 3220 would lower costs and game performance would barely take a hit.

CPU Cooler - You don't need an H80 when you are building a low-cost system that is a relatively high performance cooler that isn't necessary at this price-point. A hyper-212 will run you fine you can overclock well on hyper212 and its 25$

RAM - There are pair-kits that costs less than 50$ and give you the same capacity

Storage - Fine

Video Card - The 650Ti is a relatively slow card man if you wanna game at 1080p on max settings you need at a least a 7850. With the Modifications I made I gave you a 7870GHz which can kill anything on the market and even a 7950 which is even better. A 650ti just isn't that good duede

Case - I prefer the Fractal R4 for its quiet design and it costs the same

PSU - Once again you are going way to high dude. A 650W would imply your looking to SLI or CFX. 650TIs cannot SLI, and even if they could you woulnd't need 650W at all. I chose an XFX 500W PSU -- its cheap and its made from quality materials.

You are messing up big time dude if you are asking for our advice then take it

which video card do you recomend ?

Look at the Intel 3220 build. I recommend that one

The amd graphics cards are much slower in clock speed than the Nvidia's ?

khzak said:

The amd graphics cards are much slower in clock speed than the Nvidia's ?

The architecture used by the cards is more important than simply clock speed. The 7950 is a great card for the money.
I'd go with bctande1's second Intel build except maybe drop the ssd and use the money to go up to an i5

Khzak, you originally wanted a decent build in the $800-850 price range. Well, your last build you listed is already over cost. It looks like you've decided on the 3570K CPU, overkill for gaming but yet a great CPU that easily overclocks. So no savings there.

You don't need the liquid cooling unless you are planning to overclock the heck out of it. So a hyper 212 or something along that line would save you $50.

You can get the RAM a little cheaper in 8GB kits. A couple dollars savings.

Storage is ok if you like the Samsung Spinpoints.

Video Card. Based on your AMD vs Nvidia comment, I suggest you do "lots" of research. Keep in mind you can can overclock that 3570k until it catches fire but it won't matter a bit for gaming "if" you don't have a GPU that is up to par.

PSU, usually more is better unless that more will never be used, if you get my drift. You can save a few dollars by dropping to a 550-600 watt PSU of good quality.

Case is your preference and only you can determine if a cheaper case will meet your needs.

A big NOTE here. Usually when people talk about highly overclocking their CPUs and water-cooling, they are the ones that have a much higher budget than what you listed as your budget. Motherboard choices vary greatly with respect to over-clocking and so do their prices. Cases that are built with outstanding airflow make a difference when overclocking. RAM and GPU cooling may come into play. OH and a SSD drive will be thrown in with the other higher performance parts. Not knocking what you are trying to do but just know that certain things require a bit more cash.

My suggestion (if you want to overclock the cpu) :

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($214.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB Video Card ($269.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $829.41
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

But i recommend this :


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z75 Pro3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($35.57 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($359.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $827.00
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)


You'll get the best performance with the 670 gtx msi pe, and a i5-3470, no need to overclock, just get the best card for gaming, and by that the 670 gtx is miles better than a 650ti or 7870, 7950.

The PSU of the XFX model does not have great cable routing for air flow through out the system because the wires are all buldged up together which makes it hard to install, cable route, and will still have bad airflow because of uneeded cables and more.

Well, if you want a modular psu change the psu, the rest of the specs stays(the ones i recommended):

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seasonic-power-supply-ssr550rm
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-power-supply-p1750bnlg9

The one I chose is 89.99 aswell and is gold certified, bronze is just a typo look at the details on newegg.

It's overkill.
I still recommend going with the xfx 550w, it's not modular, but you won't overheat the system with the cables, there's cable management with the case.
But there's also this one :

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/rosewill-power-supply-hive550

It got golden award from hardware secrets, a 550w psu is enough for a 660 ti or 670 gtx+ fans+ cpu+ cooler.
Just see what i recommend with gpu for gaming in the previous lists.

How do you overheat the system with the cables? Also in the future I plan on upgrading the system. What will happen if I get a PSU with higher than need WATTS

Unless you're planning to add another 660ti or 670 gtx(your build has a 650 ti which doesn't even need 550w or 500w, a 450w psu will do and doesn't have sli bridge which means you cannot sli two of them), 550w is enough for any card, and in the future the tdp of the cpus will continue to lower and also the power consumption of the single gfx cards, see the specs for amd 8xxx(lower power consumption).

I have edited my build here it is

http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/b/zkX

I don't think I can make it any cheaper

khzak said:

I have edited my build here it is

http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/b/zkX

I don't think I can make it any cheaper

Consider this : http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/p/utYX or http://pcpartpicker.com/p/uu5t

It's modular, yes, it's not as good as the hx, but more than enough for even two 670 gtx, see the review : http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story4&reid=140 / http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Antec-TruePower-New-750-W-TP-750-Power-Supply-Review/766/10
Or a 660ti pny, it's a reference card, still it's as good as the 7950, and it's at a good price.

Most important thing, is that it's cheaper, and you get a much better card, same features, quality didn't lower...also drop the bluyray drive...

djangoringo said:

Consider this : http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/p/utYX or http://pcpartpicker.com/p/uu5t

It's modular, yes, it's not as good as the hx, but more than enough for even two 670 gtx, see the review : http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story4&reid=140 / http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Antec-TruePower-New-750-W-TP-750-Power-Supply-Review/766/10
Or a 660ti pny, it's a reference card, still it's as good as the 7950, and it's at a good price.

Most important thing, is that it's cheaper, and you get a much better card, same features, quality didn't lower...also drop the bluyray drive...

The bluray drive has a better laser for better quality.

Better quality in what ?...everything nowadays is digital, you won't need the bluray drive, there's no game for pc that comes in BD, it's all in steam,ea origins and ubiplay(all downloaded to your hdd).
The windows os doesn't require either nor any will..
The only reason for a BD is if you buy Bluray disc movies, then again, there's itunes and others that offers hd movies...
Just get a dvd drive and put the money on a better gpu or save it.

In the future when Holographic drives come out the BD drive will be as normal as normal dvd drives the normal dvd drives will be rare as floppys than.

I've made it down to this much

http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/b/zl5

I can't understand, your main objective is gaming, yet you keep downgrading the gpu which is more important and keep the useless bluray drive and overkill psu and case, there's also cheaper low profile ram for less...

which psu, case, gpu, and ram do you recommend than ?

http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/p/uuR7

i made a mistake and put in the other one 1333 ram, it's good for it's price, the mobo is a good one, it has everything as the extreme 4.
You can also put this psu(it's not modular, but the case has enough room and cable management) if you don't want to SLI latter on : http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/p/uuU7

Or a 660ti : http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/p/uuVQ

That's all.

You are now back to square one. You mentioned the "future". In the future when those holograaphic drives come out that you speak of, everything you are buying now will be prehistoric.

I have to ask why do you need to have a blu-ray drive?

There is no way I would build a computer today and not have a SSD; much better towards performance than that blu-ray drive will ever be. Even the cheap SSD.

You asked for advice and have been given plenty. If you keep asking, the advice will keep changing.

I suggest you "make" a decision and buy the components or you will find yourself months from now still not having the computer built.

You want to build a cheap computer, buy what you can afford. When you get more money replace parts. If you plan to game, the GPU is where you might want to "focus".