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Asus Matrix 7970 Platinum VS MSI 680 Lightning or other choices?

Which graphics card should I buy for single Monitor gaming @ 1920x1080p

Currently Running in my system.

I5-2500k @ 4.5Ghz OC

Asrock Extreme 6 z77

16gb of G.Skill Ripjaw X @ 1866 Mhz stock

PSU 700W OCZ PSU (has 2 6+2 pin cables for a Graphics card)


I'm wanting to play Bf3 on ULTRA settings along with being able to stream gameplay of other games that are way less demanding than bf3.

I've looked at many graphics card and I've come down to Either

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121671&Tpk=7970%20patinum

or

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127693&Tpk=680%20lightning

I've also looked at some After market 670 Models and couple other 680 / 7970 models but I'm pretty sure it's down to those two.

If there are any reasons to chose some special type of 670 such as a really good aftermarket one or one that has 4gb of memory on it please let me know. TYVM
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  1. Hello Pounced....

    This is my first ever response and I am only doing it as I have been schooled by some good lads here. I am in the same boat as you, trying to pick one between the same two and also this one below....

    SAPPHIRE Vapor-X 100351VXSR Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB $439 @ Newegg
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202001

    If all goes to plan I will go for the MATRIX one, your first listing. Also you can get the MATRIX one cheaper at NCIX, I think for $482 with free shipping. Then my next choice will be the SAPPHIRE. The new drivers have done wonders I hear for the 7970's.
    Hope this kind of helps.
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    IWell amd new drivers plus the three free games make it to card to pass on but still doesn't make 660 or 670 bad choice if you prefer NV.The price is fair imo.I am a fan of both i try not to sip red/green drink to much.I bought 670's because at the time they were better bang for buck then 7970 and i don't regret buying them to this day i can murder anything i throw at them so i am happy with my choice.I bought my son Sapphire's HD 7950 Vapor-X he enjoys it very much you half to look at the features each card offers and decide which you prefer the 680 is not worth it's price yet unfortunately because it's only 7% faster then a 670 that's not worth $100 extra imo if i were buying a card today i would go for AMD's HD 7970 and its more powerful brother HD 7970 GHz Edition have been on the market for a while now. MSI has also launched their HD 7970 Lightning in June. Now ASUS has released the HD 7970 Matrix - a card that will directly compete with MSI's HD 7970 Lightning.ASUS has increased clock speeds to 1100 MHz. That is 50 MHz more than the GHz Edition and higher than any other HD 7970 card, including the MSI Lightning. Memory clock is, with 1650 MHz, also higher than any other AMD card. When [H]ard|OCP put the 20-phase Super Alloy Power technology and chokes to the test they hit 1310MHz on the GPU and pushed the memory to 7GHz, far beyond what any other HD 7970 they've reviewed could manage. That overclock was definitely noticeable when they benchmarked the card, which helped it win a Gold Award as the best HD 7970 they've seen ... http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/723/h7970matrix.jpg






    The card comes with a powerful triple slot cooling solution and adds many features for hardcore overclockers like support for VGA Hotwire, voltage control, and three buttons for direct GPU voltage control. You will also find voltage measuring points and a Turbo-fan button to set fan speed to 100% on the card.


    Price-wise, the HD 7970 Matrix comes at $480, which is quite a price increase given AMD's recent price drops for the HD 7970.The other cards i would recommend are Sapphire's HD 7950 Vapor-X comes with a large dual-fan cooler that uses the company's famous vapor-chamber technology. On the Vapor-X you will also find a "Lethal Boost" button which switches to a second BIOS with higher clock speeds. With this BIOS, clocks are increased to 950 MHz GPU and 1250 MHz memory. http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/2920/1110700x371.jpg


    Pricing of the Sapphire HD 7950 Vapor-X is $330 which is a 10% premium.Here are professional reviews of the card w/benchmarks if your interested:


    http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4900/sapphire_radeon_hd_7950_3gb_vapor_x_oc_with_boost_video_card_review/index.html
    http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphire/HD_7950_Vapor-X/
    http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/43985-sapphire-radeon-hd-7950-oc-vapor-x/?email_id=87633&email_source=7&email_key=4072d0f50b249871d3cb5a548b213eff
    http://www.legitreviews.com/article/2050/1/ Also,MSI's GTX 670 Power Edition uses the famous Twin Frozr IV cooler from the MSI Lightning and comes with a large clock speed boost out of the box, making its default clock speed even higher than GTX 680 stock clocks.That would be a solid choice for the price imo they currently are going for $389.99 a piece that doesn't look unreasonable, given the improved cooling and higher clocks but it's up to you. http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/3327/gtx670power1.jpg Here are professional reviews of the card w/benchmarks if your interested:

    http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/56546-msi-gtx-670-power-edition-oc-review.html
    http://www.guru3d.com/article/msi-geforce-gtx-670-power-edition-oc-review/
    http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_670_Power_Edition/
    http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4779/msi_geforce_gtx_670_power_edition_2gb_overclocked_video_card_review/index.html


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    Here are professional reviews of the card w/benchmarks if your interested:

    http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_7970_review_matrix_platinum_radeon,1.html
    http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/asus_matrix_hd7970_platinum/
    http://www.bjorn3d.com/2012/10/asus-matrix-hd-7970-platinum/
    http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/HD_7970_Matrix/
    http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/10/16/asus_matrix_hd_7970_platinum_video_card_review


    Holy crap that's a lot to read through. I did read it and I think I'm going to go with the 7970 Matrix. My Price point is comfortable with this price of the card on Newegg @ 499.99 + The free games!

    I've read up on the MSI Lightning 680 and it seems that Nvidia doesn't want people to OC the card to where it can be OC'd to so they are having MSI put Locked bios's on the new cards. I've heard there is a work around but Honestly that's to much work to do for a card at this price point.

    Seems like the 7970 matrix platinum can hit 1250 Mhz core clock easily which is what I'm looking to do is OC my card a little.

    Ty for the Info I would like more opinions on the cards though from users who have them.

    Edit: The choice is pretty clear though that the 7970 for it's ease of overclock to get to 1250mhz+ is the clear winner. If I hear more about the MSI Lightning 680 and if it's actually easy to switch the BIOS on the card to the unlocked versions and reach High overclocks on the card i may just end up getting one of them but the matrix right now is more appealing.

    If anyone has more Info on the MSI Lightning 680 or owns one and can give some insight I would much appreciate it before I drop $500 on either of them.
  3. Quote:
    ome black magic for 680 Lightning owners:

    On 2.2.4 you may edit Lightning hardware profile files (.\Profiles\VEN_10DE&DEV_1180....cfg) and add the following lines there:

    [Settings]
    VDDC_Generic_Detection = 0
    VDDC_CHL8318_Detection = 46h
    VDDC_CHL8318_Type = 1


    Those lines disable NVIDIA's capped voltage control module, enable voltage control via direct access to CHL8318 and select offset voltage control mode for it.

    Note: each card profile must be edited for SLI configs.

    I did some research a while back about all that the only card that allows you to do Voltage tweak and overclock like it should is MSI 680 GTX Lighting now I know that nvidia forced the bios on these as well but according to this thread http://www.overclock.net/t/1280007/official-msi-gtx-680-lightning-owners-club the new bios lifts restrictions that nvidia forced on them.
    NOTE: A "New" LN2 BIOS version (80.04.09.00.3A) has been identified and tested as having the same voltage control with the same max vGPU as the original LN2 BIOS (80.04.09.00.F8). This was tested and confirmed by Killbuzzjrad, so thanks go to him!
    While this LN2 BIOS version is considered new, it does not contain the expected voltage restrictions that NVIDIA has recently imposed. Therefor, I fully expect to find another "new" version sometime in the near future that does have the restricted voltage.
    https://docs.google.com/open?id=0ByaqIKti5kitNDBsYTV6bEcxVnM


    So with this said will the MSI Lightning be faster or 7970 matrix be faster on air?

    And with 3gb Vram vs 2gb Vram the 7970 sounds like it will be more or less future proof and perform better 2 years down the road compared to say the 680.
  4. pounced said:
    So with this said will the MSI Lightning be faster or 7970 matrix be faster on air?

    And with 3gb Vram vs 2gb Vram the 7970 sounds like it will be more or less future proof and perform better 2 years down the road compared to say the 680.
    I honestly don't know which card will be faster but i would think the 7970 is more future proof if there a such thing as future proofing.
  5. Here is a not so detailed review with the latest drivers between gtx 680 and amd 7970, both reference cards
    http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/amd_radeon_hd_7970_vs_nvidia_geforce_gtx_680_take_two
    If you do not like technical stuff and like to judge numbers, this should suffice. Now, take into account that gtx 680 lightning, asus 7970 matrix and sapphire vapor-x 7970 are all way better then their reference counterparts, they would have better numbers that what you see in the review as well as less noise and better cooling. Finally, think about what you want in your card: fxaa, txaa, physics, msaa, higher bandwidth and do you like the games that amd offers in their bundle. If I were to buy right now, I would go with gtx 680 lightning. Why? Because I don't like them bundled games, I also have a 120hz 1920x1080 monitor, I like txaa and fxaa, don't care much for physics but it's a bonus and the games that I play favour nvidia and I am sure that later on nvidia will release a driver that will further increase performance. But if I had a 2560x1600 monitor, I think I would most likely go for the 7970 matrix.

    PS: I have the 680 lightning so I'm a bit biased, but this is IMO the best card you can buy with an nvidia chip on it for that resolution. gtx 690 waste of money for this resolution :P. It destroyed any game I threw at it for now, all settings maxed, except metro 2033:((.

    PPS: My card is overclocked at 1360mhz core, 7100mhz memory, voltage is at +93mv core, +100 memory and 0 aux, temps are around 60ish with 60% fan speed and that is running unigine 3.0 for 3 hours loop no crashes or dots. If I'd have water cooling, I'd most likely look at +1400mhz core and 7300+ memory and more voltage :D. But that would be more e-peen and benchmarking that relative benefit to gaming.
  6. LonelyMan said:
    Here is a not so detailed review with the latest drivers between gtx 680 and amd 7970, both reference cards
    http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/amd_radeon_hd_7970_vs_nvidia_geforce_gtx_680_take_two
    If you do not like technical stuff and like to judge numbers, this should suffice. Now, take into account that gtx 680 lightning, asus 7970 matrix and sapphire vapor-x 7970 are all way better then their reference counterparts, they would have better numbers that what you see in the review as well as less noise and better cooling. Finally, think about what you want in your card: fxaa, txaa, physics, msaa, higher bandwidth and do you like the games that amd offers in their bundle. If I were to buy right now, I would go with gtx 680 lightning. Why? Because I don't like them bundled games, I also have a 120hz 1920x1080 monitor, I like txaa and fxaa, don't care much for physics but it's a bonus and the games that I play favour nvidia and I am sure that later on nvidia will release a driver that will further increase performance. But if I had a 2560x1600 monitor, I think I would most likely go for the 7970 matrix.

    PS: I have the 680 lightning so I'm a bit biased, but this is IMO the best card you can buy with an nvidia chip on it for that resolution. gtx 690 waste of money for this resolution :P. It destroyed any game I threw at it for now, all settings maxed, except metro 2033:((.

    PPS: My card is overclocked at 1360mhz core, 7100mhz memory, voltage is at +93mv core, +100 memory and 0 aux, temps are around 60ish with 60% fan speed and that is running unigine 3.0 for 3 hours loop no crashes or dots. If I'd have water cooling, I'd most likely look at +1400mhz core and 7300+ memory and more voltage :D. But that would be more e-peen and benchmarking that relative benefit to gaming.


    So Since your hitting 1360 Mhz Core clock I'm guessing you have that Unlocked Bios? If I can achieve that with a brand new card some how then I'm more inclined to buy the 680 lightning then I am the 7970. Noise/Heat/Power is down on the 680 which the power part is nice since I only have a 700 watt PSU so I don't want to push it to its limits.
  7. Best answer
    700 watt PSU more than enough for one heavily overclocked CPU and GPU, even the 680 lightning. And yes I do have the unlocked bios. If you buy the card and have a locked one, you can easily flash to the unlocked one. It's very easy to do in 5 minutes it's done. And if you think that something may go wrong, you can always save the bios you have and revert back to it in case of something, but chances of that happening are less then 5%, so unless your feeling extremely unlucky, there is no reason not to get a lightning. Now the choice is yours. Here is a forum with all the help you'll ever need about flashing and what not: http://www.overclock.net/t/1280007/official-msi-gtx-680-lightning-owners-club
  8. bigcyco1 said:
    I honestly don't know which card will be faster but i would think the 7970 is more future proof if there a such thing as future proofing.

    there isnt, but i do see how 3gb will come in handy more as game requirements require more power
  9. Best answer selected by pounced.
  10. Tyvm for all the help guys that thread you linked will come in handy. I think just because of how stable 680s are and how low power and temps are on them I'll be able to get more out of the 680 at the resolutions I'm playing at.

    Hopefully By the end of the month here there will be some sort of deal for ordering it.
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