First time building a PC! Need help

[jesb1153]

Hello guys, I would like to know if my build is decent! Is there any parts that I should switch?

http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/p/uznk

If there are a cheapest/better option to one of my pieces let me know!

 

[lt_dan_zsu]

It doesn't look like you have plans for cfx, so I would get a cheaper motherboard. IF you do plan on it, I would get a 700-750w psu. Only get 8gb ram. Get an i5 3570k. I don't see why you would get a sound card.
Go with a 7950
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125414
I'm not going to check the parts myself, but that site seems a little over priced for me.

 

[djangoringo]

Hello guys, I would like to know if my build is decent! Is there any parts that I should switch?

http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/p/uznk

If there are a cheapest/better option to one of my pieces let me know!

There's some things wrong, like the cpu it's not the "k" one, also you don't need 16GB, just get 8GB, also that mobo is overpriced, the bluray drive drop it...

I recommend this : http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/p/uzXK

 

[lt_dan_zsu]

I would go with the above's build, except get a 7950 and 700w if you want to cross fire. He listed NCIX parts, make sure you can get from them where you live.

 

[djangoringo]

That psu can do for two 670 gtx.
Also a 7950 vs 670 gtx msi pe is a no brainer, sorry but a 660ti is better than a 7950, a 670 msi pe is the best choice, no 7950 gets near it.

 

[lt_dan_zsu]

The 660ti is shown to be weaker than a 7950 in almost every game, and is more comparable to a 7870. Also, it is bottlenecked by its awful ram. I hate the 660ti, I feel like it is one of the most lazily built cards ever, nvidia just intentionally bottlenecked a 670. The 7870 is closer to that power of a 660ti. They are all pretty close in performance though. A 7950 can be overclocked to a 670 or higher pretty easily.

 

[djangoringo]

The 7950 is not good as a 660 ti :


http://techreport.com/review/23981/radeon-hd-7950-vs-geforce-gtx-660-ti-revisited/11

http://techreport.com/review/24051/geforce-versus-radeon-captured-on-high-speed-video

http://techreport.com/review/24022/does-the-radeon-hd-7950-stumble-in-windows-8

http://img.techpowerup.org/121123/Assassins-Creed-3-Test-GPU-Benchmarks.png
http://www.hardocp.com/images/articles/1355966357333LikoxjM_3_4.gif
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/far_cry_3_graphics_performance_review_benchmark,6.html
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/call_of_duty_black_ops_ii_graphics_vga_performance_review,6.html

Also you forget the 660 ti overclocks as well.
As for the 670 it's in another league :

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_670_Power_Edition/images/perf_oc.gif
(and that's with really old nvidia drivers).

 

[lt_dan_zsu]

Are you stupid? The tech report review is outdated, I can tell because the prices they were using are way off. The Hard OCP review shows the three review cards with different in game settings. There is no surprise the 7950 is outperformed by the 660ti in that review. It had no MSAA On the 660ti and x4 on the 7950. The 7950 is 5% stronger at most so that review says nothing to me. But thank you for showing me I should never use that site, as it is obviously biased. The 670 isn't in "another league." You know the 660ti is a 670 that was hit with a nerf bat right, so it isn't that much weaker. The 670 is on the same tier as the 7950 on tomshardware's hierarchy, which is updated every month: so it is pretty up to date. The 660ti is a tier lower than a 7950, and is about as strong as a 7870. With the 670 and 7950 being on the same tier, there is probably a 10% difference tops. That is far from "another league."

 

[djangoringo]

Outdated ? They did THREE tests see the date... http://techreport.com/review/24022/does-the-radeon-hd-7950-stumble-in-windows-8

A 670 gtx in the same tier as a 7950 ????????????????????????????????????
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Sapphire/HD_7950_Vapor-X/images/perfrel_1920.gif (that's with the best 7950 with boost)
Just preach in another thread amd fanboy.

 

[lt_dan_zsu]

I'm not an amd fanboy at all. I have recomended multiple nvidia cards today. If you want me to link the chart I can
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-7.html
As a matter of fact, I have been recommending nvidia more and more often, because they are beginning to have reasonable prices again. But one card that I will almost never recommend is the 660ti, it is the most lazily made POS card I have ever seen. They made it by bottlenecking a 670, WTF? I said outdated because the prices show 7950 at 330-340 where it is really more like $300-320. The 660ti is ussually around $280 now. I would not recommend a 660ti unless it was for $240 or less.

 

[lt_dan_zsu]

Your last message definitely didn't make you look like a whiny 4th grader either. Sorry to the OP about Hijacking this post. Hopefully we can get back on track soon.

 

[Kamen_BG]

Look.Depending on the game the cards can perform quite differently, but the HD 7950 is generally the faster card.
Be it by 1% like in Techpowerup or by a lot more like HardOCP or tomshardware.
The thing is that there is no other site showing the GTX 660 Ti being faster than the HD 7950.
It mostly depends on what kind of AA is being used.It's a known fact that the 660 Ti is seriously bottlenecked by its 192 bit memory bus, so it just can't compete when you enable 4 MSAA or more.
I can give you tens of examples but i would just start a flame war.

So now to the thread.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ NCIX)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 612 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: Intel BOXDZ77SL50K ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($74.99 @ Canada Computers)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($36.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ NCIX)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($159.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($389.99 @ NCIX)
Case: Antec DF-35 ATX Mid Tower Case ($38.88 @ Canada Computers)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 750W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($79.99 @ NCIX)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Canada Computers)
Total: $1122.78
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-28 03:07 EST-0500)

Your build is good, but i made it better.

I included a lower-end motherboad, which might have much less features, but it's still a very good overclocker.
I included low profile low voltage memeory, which should overclock a bit higher than the kit you chose.
I included a faster graphics card and a more capable power supply.
I switched the case to a Antec DF-35 which has incredible cooling performance and a very distinct look.
And with the money saved i've also added a high capacity SSD.

 

[lt_dan_zsu]

THANK YOU Karmen_BG. You aren't starting a flame war, you just put an end to the one I was about to get into with the other guy. Now that a third part has stepped in, I believe the OP can trust that the other person was incorrect. Get Karmen's rig that he built for you, unless you want to get do crossfire at some point, then you will need a better motherboard. Also you could probably do with a 600w psu if you aren't going to cfx. If plan on cfx in the future, get the asrock extreme4.

 

[djangoringo]

"If there are a cheapest/better option to one of my pieces let me know!"

That's what he said i just made a good list for him for less price that he had, also Kamen_BG is crappy one, a crap mobo, a crap sdd, a overpriced card and more expensive total than he had, the good thing is the psu...
That's why i'm getting tired of suggesting hardware, then to be bashed by others.
He had a nvidia card in the list, what people do? recommend AMD cards, saying the same bullshit story they overclock rather well than nvidia, they surpass all nvidia cards blah blah. etc, also put charts that favors amd, forgetting that nvidia beats in most games amd cards, see the e.g. i gave that was the recent games, all actually in present tense.
That link was to show that not everything is raw fps, the 660ti has more percentile fps, techreport showed it and well without bias(see the several test).
Also nvidia has way better mature drivers, exclusive features, more smoothness, more stability.
Did you occur that he might rather prefers nvidia cards, and the card that i recommended is the natural upgrade from the one he had(he put a 660ti pe ,i suggested the 670 gtx pe)?
And you're incorrect, the 670 gtx is on the level with the 7970, there's no 7950 that can reach a stock 670 gtx(we're excluding overclocks cause that's always subjective, i've seen 7950 with voltage locked and it all depends on the binned chips).
And don't even make me discuss the things like SLI vs crossfire, cause nvidia is way better also for multi gpus setups, more smoothness, better scaling, and driver support.


There's also this : http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/p/uDSv or the msi pe 670 gtx: http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/p/uDQn

For SSD : http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/part/sandisk-internal-hard-drive-sdssdx120gg25 or http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/part/crucial-internal-hard-drive-ct256m4ssd2


That's all, i'm not having more discussions on this thread, if you want to bash, go ahead.

 

[jesb1153]

Sorry about the late reply! As djangoringo said i would rather stay with Nvidia... i always owned Nvidia cards and I never had trouble (Nvidia fanboy right here! )! About the OC... If my build let me do it, I will! Sadly I will need a tutorial haha .

One last thing, will your build last for a while? I won't change it before I am done with college...so 3 years.

 

[djangoringo]

It will last, but no one can be sure how long, get this : http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/p/uDQn


It's better to get a 670 gtx pe instead of the 660ti, it's more powerful for not so much $ more, in the long run it will be better vs 660ti.
Also you get a system with SLI support, both mobo and psu.
If not, and you don't plan to add another card, you can downgrade the psu for :

http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/p/uEL5

It will do for a single card.
Also if you want ssd, i don't think you wanted cause i can't see none in the list get :

http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/part/sandisk-internal-hard-drive-sdssdx120gg25 or http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/part/crucial-internal-hard-drive-ct256m4ssd2

And good luck with your build.

 

[lt_dan_zsu]

You didn't present the best. Have you ever thought your rigs get bashed because they are crappy compared to other ones? Nvidia is crap value compared to amd, right now. Maybe next month nvidia will be better. At that point, sure go nvidia. But there is no reason for being a fan boy. Fan boys are almost never as knowledgeable. If he would have made this build in july, it would have been 670 all the way because that was easily the best valued card in that price. range. THose benchmarks said nothing. The Nvidia favoring ones were using different settings, and it only showed benchmarks for one game, that is hardly diverse. WHen I link benchmarks, I show as many games as possible. When you are doing a poll for an election you don't ask one person. I no longer care about this thread, I am tired of this guy disputing FACTS. A fact is something that is true. THe last thing I will say is, The best valued card in your range is probably a 7950 or 7970. But if you want nvidia so badly go for a 670. If you can get one for about 330, you are getting a fair deal. I don't care anymore though, arguing with a fan boy is really annoying and I am surprised that a moderator hasn't closed this thread because Django is really beginning to swear.

 

[djangoringo]

Sorry but you're the one flaming, e.g. this wall of text didn't contribute nothing to the op nor his desires, you from the beginning(and now) started to flame with saying 660ti is crap, which is not, nor the 670 gtx is a bad value, see the recommendations of toms hardware for ~370$, it's the 670 gtx...the 670 gtx pe has a even lower price with rebate.
The 670 gtx is as good as a 7970, i gave facts from sites from this very month, what did you give ? just flaming and speculation, and your opinion which is subjective.
If the op was an amd user, i still would've recommend the 670 gtx.
I don't want to discuss further, because insults or victimisation doesn't bring anything to this thread.

 

[camohanna]

This is a low cost computer that can max out any game on ultra plus can be overclocked and has a very reliable PSU

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/p/uKcm
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/p/uKcm/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/p/uKcm/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ NCIX)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($27.99 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($114.99 @ Canada Computers)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($45.81 @ DirectCanada)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1.5TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ NCIX)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($339.99 @ NCIX)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 750W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($119.99 @ NCIX)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($16.82 @ DirectCanada)
Total: $985.56
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-28 22:52 EST-0500)

 

[lt_dan_zsu]

I said he could get the 670, that wasn't a wall of text. Everything I said on the last post was trying to help, and I never said I wasn't part of the flame war, which I wish hadn't started. But yes, the 670 is a good card just overpriced. But the 660ti is a bad card, you can't say it isn't made incredibly lazily. The 660 is what the 660ti should have been.