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November 13, 2012 7:31:28 PM

I am stuck between these cards. Budget it a concern so the 240 bucks for the 7870 is commpelling. But I am on a budget that I may not be able to expand. I really want the top end performance that hte 7950 offers, but is it worth it. And which will do best is sli/crossfire? and could you give me the performance of each card in a list from greatest to least. that would be nice. Also I am gaming on a 1080p monitor. and I would Like to max out games at 60 frames.

7870 1000ghz OC
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

7950
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

660
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

660ti
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

More about : 7870 7950 660ti 660

a b U Graphics card
November 13, 2012 7:39:11 PM

Look at this review. In the end, he will show benchmark of all the Cards in different games.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaXVrCFvL94

And I would say the GTX 660 is the best value for the Money. Go with it, you won't be disappointed - I own on myself!
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Anonymous
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November 13, 2012 7:40:05 PM

I know it might be good value for money. But can it max out any game a a steady 60 frames like crysis to with res res textures and dx11. I know that 7950 can do it at about 55-60 frames. so would the 660 only be able to do it at 45?
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November 13, 2012 7:47:14 PM

I'm running Crysis 2 at EXTREME settings with fps of 50-60 (mostly 60), turning up to ULTRA I get 40-45 fps. It Works like a dime, and it's silent as a Ninja. :) 
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November 13, 2012 7:47:34 PM

I got the MAXIMUM edition which Means better Graphics, so in the normal game it might be different.
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Anonymous
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November 13, 2012 7:50:11 PM

lostgamer_03 said:
I'm running Crysis 2 at EXTREME settings with fps of 50-60 (mostly 60), turning up to ULTRA I get 40-45 fps. It Works like a dime, and it's silent as a Ninja. :) 
But I heard that the 7870 is slightly faster and it's an overclock. I know that there is the arument of driver with sli and crossfire. But with my singel 6850 I've never expirenced driver issues. and for crossfire I know people that have never gotten issues with it.
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Anonymous
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November 13, 2012 7:52:14 PM

And how much better is the ti. I heard that the ti is more along the lines of a 7870. so wouldn't the 660 be significenly slower?
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a c 186 U Graphics card
November 13, 2012 7:54:09 PM

7950
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Anonymous
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November 13, 2012 7:59:10 PM

bigcyco1 said:
7950

I was leaning towards that. I found an overclock version. I like the high mem bus and vram. But it might bust my budget by 50-100 bucks
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Anonymous
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November 13, 2012 8:01:04 PM

bigcyco1 said:
7950

I was leaning towards that. I found an overclock version. I like the high mem bus and vram. But it might bust my budget by 50-100 bucks
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a c 242 U Graphics card
November 13, 2012 8:06:25 PM

here we see the 7950 getting beat by the 660 Ti by 4% with both using old drivers.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_P...

However with the new catalyst drivers, we see the 7950 leapfrog over it by 2%. Unfortunately, nVidia has had 3 driver releases since the test and the review above doe snot show the improvements from those driver upgrades.

$275 non reference MSI 660 Ti
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$305 non reference MSI HD7950
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The 7950 comes w/ a game bundle and setting that as well as the new AMD vs old nVidia drivers comparison aside for the moment .....

-Is the 2% performance improvement w/ the new catalyst drivers worth an 11% cost increase ..... to me, no .... especially when we don't know what nVidia's new driver improvements do

-Now if the games (FarCry3, HitMan & Sleeping Dogs) are things ya gotta have, the 7950 is the obvious choice even if nVidia retakes the performance lead by single digit percentage points when their latest drivers are used.
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Anonymous
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November 13, 2012 8:10:04 PM

JackNaylorPE said:
here we see the 7950 getting beat by the 660 Ti by 4% with both using old drivers.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_P...

However with the new catalyst drivers, we see the 7950 leapfrog over it by 2%. Unfortunately, nVidia has had 3 driver releases since the test and the review above doe snot show the improvements from those driver upgrades.

$275 non reference MSI 660 Ti
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$305 non reference MSI HD7950
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The 7950 comes w/ a game bundle and setting that as well as the new AMD vs old nVidia drivers comparison aside for the moment .....

-Is the 2% performance improvement w/ the new catalyst drivers worth an 11% cost increase ..... to me, no .... especially when we don't know what nVidia's new driver improvements do

-Now if the games (FarCry3, HitMan & Sleeping Dogs) are things ya gotta have, the 7950 is the obvious choice even if nVidia retakes the performance lead by single digit percentage points when their latest drivers are used.

wouldn't the 660ti have less performance because it's vram and bit bus are smaller. Doesn't this make a big difference if aa and high res. along with tessalation.
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Anonymous
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November 13, 2012 8:25:32 PM

I am also planning on crossfiring. Are sli driver really that much better than amd's or are they about that same. I know that crossfire has lots of issues I heard of. But I have never really looked into sli. And please no biased opinions on this.
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November 13, 2012 8:34:03 PM

here is a nice review comparing all the cards mentioned except the 660 using the newest drivers http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/11/12/fall_2012_gpu..., the 7870 performs on par with the 660 ti, the 7950 is almost on par with a 670, so i would recommend getting any of those, personally i would spend $50 more on the 7950 and overclock it
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November 13, 2012 8:38:10 PM

The 7950 is basically a downclocked 7970, the 660ti shouldn't even be campared to it. A good 7950 can OC 1150Mhz and destroy all!
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a c 186 U Graphics card
November 13, 2012 8:43:27 PM

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I was looking at he gigabyte. It's core clock is 900ghz and it's only 300.
Three different friends of mine bought it and regret it coil whine bad sounds awful.Seriously cheaper is not always the same get the Vapor -X
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Anonymous
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November 13, 2012 8:44:52 PM

I was also thinking of maybe the 7970. It's a slim posibilites but if the the amd series comes out in january it will probably price drop the 7xxx series right?
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Anonymous
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November 13, 2012 8:46:20 PM

bigcyco1 said:
Three different friends of mine bought it and regret it coil whine bad sounds awful.Seriously cheaper is not always the same get the Vapor -X

What about this? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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Anonymous
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November 13, 2012 9:06:20 PM

Also what is a good motherboard for crossfire and has the z77 chipset. I found a nice asrock for 125 that very good feedback but are there any other boards you would recomend. I saw that the p8z77 v was good but a little expensive. are there any other good board for a bit less.
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a b U Graphics card
November 13, 2012 9:11:51 PM

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wouldn't the 660ti have less performance because it's vram and bit bus are smaller. Doesn't this make a big difference if aa and high res. along with tessalation.

The VRAM isn't directly an issue right now, since few games can really use more than 1GB of VRAM without going multiple display ( and that requires a really beefy card, anyway. ) But yes, the memory interface can be a problem.

The bottleneck tends to show up when using a combination of high resolution, hi-res textures, and high AA settings. Even then, it's not apparent in every game. When Tom's tested it, at higher detail settings, the 7870 and even the 7850 pulled ahead of the 660 Ti. You can't say definitely that the card will be a bottleneck in your particular games, but it is a possibility.
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a c 186 U Graphics card
November 13, 2012 9:16:10 PM

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Also what is a good motherboard for crossfire and has the z77 chipset. I found a nice asrock for 125 that very good feedback but are there any other boards you would recomend. I saw that the p8z77 v was good but a little expensive. are there any other good board for a bit less.
Not that i am aware of i wouldn't even mess with asrock extreme 4 for a high end build with two cards that 300 and up a piece i would go for something like this if want top of the line mid high end mobo:GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-UD5H LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/gigabyte_z77x_ud5h... <--- review of that motherboard w/benchmarks

http://www.techspot.com/review/521-intel-z77-motherboar... <--- review w/benchmarks

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/motherboards/2012/05/0... <--- review w/benchmarks



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a b U Graphics card
November 13, 2012 9:17:10 PM

Basically the 7950 is a nice card (not to say the 660ti isn't) however if you really do plan to xcrossfire/SLI in the future I would go with the 7950 you linked eariler since it does have better memory interface. Plus your probably have a 95% possiblity to OC it to make it the same as giga hertz edition so its a much safer bet if you plan at any time to go past 1080P.
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a b U Graphics card
November 13, 2012 9:19:20 PM

I've got the Gigabyte 7950, actually I've had 2 (long unneeded RMA story involving DVI cables) and neither have had coil whine. The max temp I've had is 57c with default fan profile in Afterburner(I cannot hear the fan ever while playing).

Regarding Coil Whine, I've heard from various sources in the past (GTX 200 series cards etc) that the PSU can cause it. Corsair was catching some flack over it too back then. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=corsair+coil+wine <---not insulting anyone, it's just shorter than the Google search url.
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Anonymous
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November 13, 2012 9:50:10 PM

bigcyco1 said:
mobo:ASUS P8Z77-V PRO LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/asus_p... <--- review w/benchmarks http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/ASUS-P8Z77-V-PRO... <--- review w/benchmarks http://www.techreaction.net/2012/06/28/review-asus-p8z7... <--- review w/benchmarks

Is gigabyte a good brand? The only company of motherboards I have had expirience with is asus. And why would you not recomend the extreme 4 for a 7950 crossfire? it has pcie 3.0 x8 x8 which is fine for crossfire.
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November 13, 2012 10:01:33 PM

bigcyco1 said:
Not that i am aware of i wouldn't even mess with asrock extreme 4 for a high end build with two cards that 300 and up a piece i would go for something like this if want top of the line mid high end mobo:GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-UD5H LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

An Extreme4 may not be the highest end board, but it's far from a slouch. A lot of the more expensive boards have superfluous features that either have minimal impact on performance or just aren't used by many people. For example how many people need or even can use a second network port? And how many USB ports do you actually use on your computer? And few enough people actually use SLI/XFire with two cards, let alone three and four.

I'm not saying some of these "extreme" boards aren't useful in specific cases, but for most people, even enthusiasts, they're still overkill. Save that money and put it to a better use.
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a c 186 U Graphics card
November 13, 2012 10:23:57 PM

RedJaron said:
An Extreme4 may not be the highest end board, but it's far from a slouch. A lot of the more expensive boards have superfluous features that either have minimal impact on performance or just aren't used by many people. For example how many people need or even can use a second network port? And how many USB ports do you actually use on your computer? And few enough people actually use SLI/XFire with two cards, let alone three and four.

I'm not saying some of these "extreme" boards aren't useful in specific cases, but for most people, even enthusiasts, they're still overkill. Save that money and put it to a better use.
I don't buy $130 motherboards as i tend to find they skimp in areas or cut corners prime example:
The Z77 Extreme4 can be purchased for as little as $130. Taking a look at the current availability of Intel Z77 motherboards at popular retailers confirms that this motherboard is an absolute bargain and I would say – if you are on a tight budget then give this board some consideration, you should certainly consider it.

The only negative I have for this motherboard is that it slips outside of typical ATX specifications. It’s 3cm thinner than a standard ATX motherboard and as a result may lack secure mounting on the far side since this isn’t a common size, which also means you should be very careful when plugging in the 24-pin ATX motherboard power – as the motherboard may flex.That's not really a big deal to some for me it's the principle i don't want to pay money for something like that i rather pay more for a flawless board.To each his/her own is my way of thinking though.
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a c 186 U Graphics card
November 13, 2012 10:28:59 PM

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Is gigabyte a good brand? The only company of motherboards I have had expirience with is asus. And why would you not recomend the extreme 4 for a 7950 crossfire? it has pcie 3.0 x8 x8 which is fine for crossfire.
Yes gigabyte is good. IMO really all are good.It's more a matter of personal preference.I usually stick with Asus.The price is kinda to high IMO.I guess you could look at the high price as quality assurance lol.
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Anonymous
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November 13, 2012 10:41:59 PM

bigcyco1 said:
I don't buy $130 motherboards as i tend to find they skimp in areas or cut corners prime example:
The Z77 Extreme4 can be purchased for as little as $130. Taking a look at the current availability of Intel Z77 motherboards at popular retailers confirms that this motherboard is an absolute bargain and I would say – if you are on a tight budget then give this board some consideration, you should certainly consider it.

The only negative I have for this motherboard is that it slips outside of typical ATX specifications. It’s 3cm thinner than a standard ATX motherboard and as a result may lack secure mounting on the far side since this isn’t a common size, which also means you should be very careful when plugging in the 24-pin ATX motherboard power – as the motherboard may flex.That's not really a big deal to some for me it's the principle i don't want to pay money for something like that i rather pay more for a flawless board.To each his/her own is my way of thinking though.

Thanks for the heads up. My current board is like that. It is a fairly big factor for me. It was annoying trying to put my power connector and my ram in. really everything was annoying to put because the board would flex so much. I still don't know if it's worth paygn an extra 70 bucks worth though. But I like the asus v and the gigabyte. Do know any other gigabyte or asus board that ar eunder the 180 mark that don't have the flimsy build quality and short right side? (asus or gigabyte)
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a c 186 U Graphics card
November 13, 2012 10:45:26 PM

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Thanks for the heads up. My current board is like that. It is a fairly big factor for me. It was annoying trying to put my power connector and my ram in. really everything was annoying to put because the board would flex so much. I still don't know if it's worth paygn an extra 70 bucks worth though. But I like the asus v and the gigabyte. Do know any other gigabyte or asus board that ar eunder the 180 mark that don't have the flimsy build quality and short right side? (asus or gigabyte)
No problem.As far as cheaper unfortunately i don't those are the cheapest i am aware of :( 
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Anonymous
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November 13, 2012 10:51:55 PM

bigcyco1 said:
unfortunately i don't those are the cheapest i am aware of :( 

Huh, that suck's. what about micro atx boards. I konw they don't have the fancy features, but I've seen a good amount that have pcie 3.0 x8/x8. and you could probably get a cheaper one that doesn't have the short right side right?
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Anonymous
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November 13, 2012 11:17:47 PM

The main thing I am concerned with is will it be worth it to spend a lot on a nice board? knowing that with intel the socket will be dead in one year.
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Anonymous
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November 13, 2012 11:25:04 PM

What's the diference between the ASUS P8Z77-V and the Asus p8z77 -v pro. is the -v flimsy and short on the far side. Or is the only difference a few less usb ports and no wifi go.
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a c 186 U Graphics card
November 13, 2012 11:27:39 PM

Good question.I do not the answer though.I was looking on new egg this board looks great but i have no personal experience with it. mobo:GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-UD3H LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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November 13, 2012 11:29:54 PM

lostgamer_03 said:
Look at this review. In the end, he will show benchmark of all the Cards in different games.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaXVrCFvL94

And I would say the GTX 660 is the best value for the Money. Go with it, you won't be disappointed - I own on myself!

Imo it would be silly to get a 660 instead of a 7870. The 7870 is about the same price and often cheaper, AND it is quite a bit stronger. The 7870 trades blows with a 660 Ti these days.
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a c 186 U Graphics card
November 13, 2012 11:32:54 PM

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What's the diference between the ASUS P8Z77-V and the Asus p8z77 -v pro. is the -v flimsy and short on the far side. Or is the only difference a few less usb ports and no wifi go.
The v pro is more better choice for overclocking
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Anonymous
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November 13, 2012 11:44:40 PM

bigcyco1 said:
The v pro is more better choice for overclocking

Okay good so it isn't flimsy and short. and it the right thinkness. I don't care about overclocking.
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a c 186 U Graphics card
November 13, 2012 11:47:42 PM

Correct it did not feel flimsy to me i did a build for my neighbor with it hes happy with it.
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Anonymous
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November 13, 2012 11:54:53 PM

How about the p8z77 v vs this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I know the red and black one is matx but does this have more features or something. Or is at just a matx version of the p8z77-v, because if that's the case I'll just get the p8z77
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November 14, 2012 1:21:55 AM

7970 hands down.
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November 14, 2012 4:02:12 PM

bigcyco1 said:
I don't buy $130 motherboards as i tend to find they skimp in areas or cut corners prime example:
The Z77 Extreme4 can be purchased for as little as $130. Taking a look at the current availability of Intel Z77 motherboards at popular retailers confirms that this motherboard is an absolute bargain and I would say – if you are on a tight budget then give this board some consideration, you should certainly consider it.

The only negative I have for this motherboard is that it slips outside of typical ATX specifications. It’s 3cm thinner than a standard ATX motherboard and as a result may lack secure mounting on the far side since this isn’t a common size, which also means you should be very careful when plugging in the 24-pin ATX motherboard power – as the motherboard may flex.That's not really a big deal to some for me it's the principle i don't want to pay money for something like that i rather pay more for a flawless board.To each his/her own is my way of thinking though.
Good reasoning, I hadn't noticed the dimensions. I didn't have any flex problems with my Z68 Extreme4, but that's definitely something I'll remember to check in the future.


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Huh, that suck's. what about micro atx boards. I konw they don't have the fancy features, but I've seen a good amount that have pcie 3.0 x8/x8. and you could probably get a cheaper one that doesn't have the short right side right?
mATX boards can be a grab bag. Some are full featured, just lacking slots. Some are very stripped down. I don't think going mATX will save you a lot of money because the feature heavy boards are only $10 less than their full-size counterparts ( still, $10 is $10. ) Also, be sure to check the layout of any mATX board you look at. The smaller size means some manufacturers place headers in very odd places, like an audio header too close to a PCIe slot.

Looking at the normal P8Z77-V vs the Pro, it looks like the Pro has the extra USB 3.0 header, as you said, an extra fan connector, and no COM header or TPM connector ( both are on the normal model. ) The normal board has Wi-Fi Go, at least it's printed on the board.
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a b U Graphics card
November 14, 2012 8:54:52 PM

If the Z77 Asus boards are the same feature wise(excluding Gen 3 features of course) as the Z68 then the only difference is SATA 6Gb ports and internal Firewire connectors.

But I guess from a google search, the z77 pro has 16 phase Power vs 12 for the V. The Z68 versions had the same Power Phase setup. Which made the non-Pro an easy choice unless you needed the extra Sata 6Gb ports, or Firewire.
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