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Anonymous
June 15, 2005 11:45:01 PM

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I attended the formal wedding of a longtime family friend last weekend. I was
pleased to learn that the professional photographer was using the same camera
body that I use (Canon EOS 20D). He was a friendly fellow and invited me to
mount a couple of his "killer" Canon lenses on my body to check 'em out.

To my surprise, I learned that literally EVERY frame he shot, probably close
to 1100, were on-line and available for order the next day.

The good ones are there. The not-so-good ones are there. The real STINKERS
are there. The frame numbers appear to be consecutive throughout.

Is this the accepted practice these days?

I have "professionally" shot a few weddings over the years (never digital) and
never considered showing anything buy my best work for ordering.

This was NOT the royal wedding of world-class dignitaries. It was an "every
day" although admittedly formal wedding. (4-5 bridesmaids & groomsmen, etc.)
Isn't 1100 frames a bit much to ask would-be buyers to wade through in order
to select prints and/or packages?

:) 
JR
Anonymous
June 15, 2005 11:45:02 PM

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In article <jim.redelfs-37D418.19450115062005@news.central.cox.net>,
Jim Redelfs <jim.redelfs@redelfs.com> wrote:

> The good ones are there. The not-so-good ones are there. The real STINKERS
> are there. The frame numbers appear to be consecutive throughout.
>
> Is this the accepted practice these days?

A professional will cull the blinks and other unacceptable images.
Anonymous
June 15, 2005 11:45:02 PM

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"Jim Redelfs" <jim.redelfs@redelfs.com> wrote in message
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>I attended the formal wedding of a longtime family friend last weekend. I
>was
> pleased to learn that the professional photographer was using the same
> camera
> body that I use (Canon EOS 20D). He was a friendly fellow and invited me
> to
> mount a couple of his "killer" Canon lenses on my body to check 'em out.
>
> To my surprise, I learned that literally EVERY frame he shot, probably
> close
> to 1100, were on-line and available for order the next day.
>
> The good ones are there. The not-so-good ones are there. The real
> STINKERS
> are there. The frame numbers appear to be consecutive throughout.
>
> Is this the accepted practice these days?
>
> I have "professionally" shot a few weddings over the years (never digital)
> and
> never considered showing anything buy my best work for ordering.
>
> This was NOT the royal wedding of world-class dignitaries. It was an
> "every
> day" although admittedly formal wedding. (4-5 bridesmaids & groomsmen,
> etc.)
> Isn't 1100 frames a bit much to ask would-be buyers to wade through in
> order
> to select prints and/or packages?
>
> :) 
> JR

We generally draw the line at the ordinary images, the "stinkers" go in the
recycle bin. We'll put up between 400 and 600 images,depending on the
length of the wedding, for review and ordering, and usually within a week,
not the next day. But not weeding out the bad ones lets him get 'em up
there faster.

--
Skip Middleton
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Anonymous
June 16, 2005 12:35:23 AM

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In article <84is0f3uqa.fsf@ripco.com>, Todd H. <t@toddh.net> wrote:

> Yeah, I'd say that's a bit much.

1100 is WAY too many.
Anonymous
June 16, 2005 3:36:18 AM

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Ryadia <ryadia@hotmail.com> writes:

> Somehow I find the thought of 1000 + shots at a wedding something of
> an daunting expo in itself. We shoot 300~400 and publish about 180. My
> best album only holds 30 photos. I can't imagine the thought process
> behind your Photographer's motives.
>
> The concept of wedding photography is portraiture. Formal portraits of
> the bridal party were once only shot in a studio. Today I usually take
> the bridal party to a bush or beach setting and do the formal shots
> there.
>
> Add to these the bride and groom at their respective homes and the
> ceremony and I can't reach 1000 shots in my mind, no mater how hard I
> try. 20D cameras only have 100,000 shot shutter life so he'd need to
> be charging enough to cover a new camera every couple of years or end
> up broke.

I've never heard of bride and groom portraits at home before. Not a
bad idea, mind you; just haven't encountered it.

You don't mention numbers from the reception. That's where *I* end up
with big volume, anyway. 300-500 seems pretty common for me. (I
don't do very many weddings; three in the last two years I think.)

And I know that the couples are collecting digital and sometimes film
photos from all their friends, as well; my 300-500 are *not* fully
satisfying them, they want *all* the good ones. (And lots of the best
photos from a wedding reception will be a matter of being in the right
place when something happens, so I won't get all of them.)
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Anonymous
June 16, 2005 12:47:32 PM

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Jim Redelfs wrote:

> To my surprise, I learned that literally EVERY frame he shot, probably close
> to 1100, were on-line and available for order the next day.

There are a variety of s/w packages and services that would make this a
snap.

>
> The good ones are there. The not-so-good ones are there. The real STINKERS
> are there. The frame numbers appear to be consecutive throughout.

It means he was a) too lazy to cull the stinkers or b) his contract says
"put em all up"

>
> Is this the accepted practice these days?

Unfortunately, it appears to be practiced by some, maybe many.

>
> I have "professionally" shot a few weddings over the years (never digital) and
> never considered showing anything buy my best work for ordering.

Some people order emotionally, not by the look of the image.

>
> This was NOT the royal wedding of world-class dignitaries. It was an "every
> day" although admittedly formal wedding. (4-5 bridesmaids & groomsmen, etc.)
> Isn't 1100 frames a bit much to ask would-be buyers to wade through in order
> to select prints and/or packages?

Yep.



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Anonymous
June 16, 2005 12:59:58 PM

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David Dyer-Bennet wrote:

>
> I've never heard of bride and groom portraits at home before. Not a
> bad idea, mind you; just haven't encountered it.

Very common these days to have "boudoir" shots of the bride getting
ready with mother, sisters, bridemaids in attendance. May include some
somewhat intimate shots not intended for everyone to see. (Chasseur
D'images had quite an article on wedding photography about a year ago
that went pretty far in this regard...)

It is less common to have such photos of the groom (and usually requires
a second photog as all this is happening in real time, most times).



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Anonymous
June 16, 2005 1:23:45 PM

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Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> writes:

> David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
>
>> I've never heard of bride and groom portraits at home before. Not a
>> bad idea, mind you; just haven't encountered it.
>
> Very common these days to have "boudoir" shots of the bride getting
> ready with mother, sisters, bridemaids in attendance. May include
> some somewhat intimate shots not intended for everyone to see.
> (Chasseur D'images had quite an article on wedding photography about a
> year ago that went pretty far in this regard...)

I shot some "bride prep" shots for weddings I did in the 1980s, I
remember. That was because things were mostly happening out of the
bride's family home, and I was there anyway.

Maybe I'll chase down that article, thanks!

> It is less common to have such photos of the groom (and usually
> requires a second photog as all this is happening in real time, most
> times).

Yeah, that darned real world thing :-).
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Anonymous
June 16, 2005 4:27:35 PM

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Jim Redelfs wrote:
> I attended the formal wedding of a longtime family friend last weekend. I was
> pleased to learn that the professional photographer was using the same camera
> body that I use (Canon EOS 20D). He was a friendly fellow and invited me to
> mount a couple of his "killer" Canon lenses on my body to check 'em out.
>
> To my surprise, I learned that literally EVERY frame he shot, probably close
> to 1100, were on-line and available for order the next day.
>
> The good ones are there. The not-so-good ones are there. The real STINKERS
> are there. The frame numbers appear to be consecutive throughout.
>
> Is this the accepted practice these days?
>
> I have "professionally" shot a few weddings over the years (never digital) and
> never considered showing anything buy my best work for ordering.
>
> This was NOT the royal wedding of world-class dignitaries. It was an "every
> day" although admittedly formal wedding. (4-5 bridesmaids & groomsmen, etc.)
> Isn't 1100 frames a bit much to ask would-be buyers to wade through in order
> to select prints and/or packages?
>
> :) 
> JR

Somehow I find the thought of 1000 + shots at a wedding something of an
daunting expo in itself. We shoot 300~400 and publish about 180. My best
album only holds 30 photos. I can't imagine the thought process behind
your Photographer's motives.

The concept of wedding photography is portraiture. Formal portraits of
the bridal party were once only shot in a studio. Today I usually take
the bridal party to a bush or beach setting and do the formal shots there.

Add to these the bride and groom at their respective homes and the
ceremony and I can't reach 1000 shots in my mind, no mater how hard I
try. 20D cameras only have 100,000 shot shutter life so he'd need to be
charging enough to cover a new camera every couple of years or end up broke.

Everyone at the weddings I shoot gets the password to my site with taht
wedding on display. They can purchase photos or relative albums straight
off my site and have them posted out in few days. Can you imagine the
confussion is they have 6 or 7 of the same shot to choose from?

Douglas
Anonymous
June 16, 2005 4:27:36 PM

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Ryadia wrote:
> Jim Redelfs wrote:
>
>> I attended the formal wedding of a longtime family friend last
>> weekend. I was pleased to learn that the professional photographer
>> was using the same camera body that I use (Canon EOS 20D). He was a
>> friendly fellow and invited me to mount a couple of his "killer" Canon
>> lenses on my body to check 'em out.
>>
>> To my surprise, I learned that literally EVERY frame he shot, probably
>> close to 1100, were on-line and available for order the next day.
>>
>> The good ones are there. The not-so-good ones are there. The real
>> STINKERS are there. The frame numbers appear to be consecutive
>> throughout.
>>
>> Is this the accepted practice these days?
>>
>> I have "professionally" shot a few weddings over the years (never
>> digital) and never considered showing anything buy my best work for
>> ordering.
>>
>> This was NOT the royal wedding of world-class dignitaries. It was an
>> "every day" although admittedly formal wedding. (4-5 bridesmaids &
>> groomsmen, etc.) Isn't 1100 frames a bit much to ask would-be buyers
>> to wade through in order to select prints and/or packages?
>>
>> :) 
>> JR
>
>
> Somehow I find the thought of 1000 + shots at a wedding something of an
> daunting expo in itself. We shoot 300~400 and publish about 180. My best
> album only holds 30 photos. I can't imagine the thought process behind
> your Photographer's motives.

I guess he figures someone might want to buy that one funny shot of Aunt
Joan spilling punch on her dress, or Cousin Joe making an fool of him
self on the dance floor?

ALV
>
> The concept of wedding photography is portraiture. Formal portraits of
> the bridal party were once only shot in a studio. Today I usually take
> the bridal party to a bush or beach setting and do the formal shots there.
>
> Add to these the bride and groom at their respective homes and the
> ceremony and I can't reach 1000 shots in my mind, no mater how hard I
> try. 20D cameras only have 100,000 shot shutter life so he'd need to be
> charging enough to cover a new camera every couple of years or end up
> broke.
>
> Everyone at the weddings I shoot gets the password to my site with taht
> wedding on display. They can purchase photos or relative albums straight
> off my site and have them posted out in few days. Can you imagine the
> confussion is they have 6 or 7 of the same shot to choose from?
>
> Douglas
Anonymous
June 16, 2005 4:27:36 PM

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Ryadia wrote:

> Somehow I find the thought of 1000 + shots at a wedding something of an
> daunting expo in itself. We shoot 300~400 and publish about 180. My best
> album only holds 30 photos. I can't imagine the thought process behind
> your Photographer's motives.
>
> The concept of wedding photography is portraiture.
> Formal portraits of
> the bridal party were once only shot in a studio. Today I usually take
> the bridal party to a bush or beach setting and do the formal shots there.
>


A little stale, that. Today, most wedding photogs offer a mix of the
formal set pieces plus some variant of the "pj" style. The pj shooting
is very freeform ad lib, spontaneous, unscripted, (or at least shot to
look that way). It has a higher blooper rate (many of which may be
keepers for those with a healthy sense of humor). So frame counts go
way up ... still, I agree that 1100 images, including the crud, is way
too much.



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June 16, 2005 7:03:02 PM

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Ryadia wrote:

<snip>
>
> Add to these the bride and groom at their respective homes and the
> ceremony and I can't reach 1000 shots in my mind, no mater how hard I
> try. 20D cameras only have 100,000 shot shutter life so he'd need to be
> charging enough to cover a new camera every couple of years or end up
> broke.
<snip>
Neither can I
$1500 divided by (100,000 shot shutter life divided by say 400 shots per
wedding) = $6.00 per wedding / 250 weddings, 2 and a half weddings a
week on average over two years. I don't think that "wear and tear" on a
camera is very significant compared to other costs. I expect even
fuel/travel costs are going to be much higher. In fact, if you are
doing that number of weddings, then you can easily justify getting
yourself a couple of 1Ds Mk II or D2x camera bodies, and if you run your
business well, buy a new porsche each time you replace your camera gear.
Anonymous
June 16, 2005 11:15:22 PM

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"Alan Browne" <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote in message
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> David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
>
>>
>> I've never heard of bride and groom portraits at home before. Not a
>> bad idea, mind you; just haven't encountered it.
>
> Very common these days to have "boudoir" shots of the bride getting ready
> with mother, sisters, bridemaids in attendance. May include some somewhat
> intimate shots not intended for everyone to see. (Chasseur D'images had
> quite an article on wedding photography about a year ago that went pretty
> far in this regard...)
>
> It is less common to have such photos of the groom (and usually requires a
> second photog as all this is happening in real time, most times).
>
>
>

That's where my wife and I part company, she photographs the ladies, I do
the same with the men...but I generally make sure they are dressed first!
<G>

--
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Anonymous
June 17, 2005 3:49:39 PM

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"Jim Redelfs" <jim.redelfs@redelfs.com> wrote in message
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> I attended the formal wedding of a longtime family friend last weekend. I
was
> pleased to learn that the professional photographer was using the same
camera
> body that I use (Canon EOS 20D). He was a friendly fellow and invited me
to
> mount a couple of his "killer" Canon lenses on my body to check 'em out.
>
> To my surprise, I learned that literally EVERY frame he shot, probably
close
> to 1100, were on-line and available for order the next day.
>
> The good ones are there. The not-so-good ones are there. The real
STINKERS
> are there. The frame numbers appear to be consecutive throughout.
>
> Is this the accepted practice these days?
>
> I have "professionally" shot a few weddings over the years (never digital)
and
> never considered showing anything buy my best work for ordering.
>
> This was NOT the royal wedding of world-class dignitaries. It was an
"every
> day" although admittedly formal wedding. (4-5 bridesmaids & groomsmen,
etc.)
> Isn't 1100 frames a bit much to ask would-be buyers to wade through in
order
> to select prints and/or packages?
>
> :) 
> JR

Personally, with the digital aspects of my wedding work, I work up between
30 and 60 images that tell the story of the day, and send them to print
(ofoto, or adorama). I also take these "for print" images, resize them for
email and save them to a separate folder. I do delete the "stinkers", as
you say, but take all the rest--original files, for print files, and email
files--burn them to CD, and give those CDs to the person who hired me. I
also take the digital images and put them on an SVCD with simple fades
between each image and the "first dance" song playing throughout (easy to
do, once you've got it figured out, and they love it). For the non-digital
aspects of my wedding work: I shoot the formals with big lights and medium
format film, get prints from each, toss the blinkers, but give them
everything else, including negatives. I also reserve the right to use any
of the images in advertising, etc.

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