Flash for D70. 600 or 800?

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"Sheldon" <sheldon@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> wrote in message
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> While money isn't a big deal, I really don't want to spend more than I
> need. The flash will probably be used for macro work and fill for
> portraits and other images where a good fill is needed. Would be nice if
> I could hold the flash off to the side, too.
>
> It should be noted that I use a lot of non TTL lenses, especially for
> close-ups and portraits, so the flash has to work with those lenses as
> well (older AI lenses). So, do I get the SB600 or the SB800, and why? My
> previous experience with flashes has been mostly automatic flashes where
> you just set the aperture, and a proper flash shutter speed, and shoot.
>
> Thanks
>
> Sheldon
> sheldon@sopris.net
>
PS I've been playing around with a Vivitar flash that I already have, and
with a bit of tweaking I can get some pretty decent flash shots. I just put
the flash in Automatic mode, set the camera to manual mode and set the
aperture to what it says on the back of the flash. It takes several shots
to zero in on the proper exposure however, and I would have to do a lot of
math to get a decent fill.

So, I do have another option that's free. Just no whistles and bells and
can't get the flash away from the camera.

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In article <Dvednaa0o8c7ty_fRVn-vw@comcast.com>,
Sheldon <sheldon@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> wrote:
>While money isn't a big deal, I really don't want to spend more than I need.
>The flash will probably be used for macro work and fill for portraits and
>other images where a good fill is needed. Would be nice if I could hold the
>flash off to the side, too.

Well ... for the macro work, the diffuser dome with the SB-800
will help you. Point the flash as though for a ceiling bounce (if the
camera were pointed horizontal), and the diffuser dome will put just the
right amount of light down onto the subject -- and you won't have the
lens casting shadows as you do with the 28-105mm f3.5-4.5 D and the
built-in flash. I do this a lot, for tabletop macro work.

There is available a cord which fits into the hot shoe on top of
the camera, and into which the flash can be plugged (either SB-800 or
SB-600).

Or -- with the built-in flash popped up, you can use either the
SB-600 or the SB-800 with the camera in "commander" mode (wireless flash
control.)

The above are presuming lenses with the CPU, so you can do the
metering.

Or -- at least with the SB-800, there is a PC contact under a
rubber cover on the side of the flash, and the camera can accept an
AS-15 adaptor so a PC cord can join the two. I have read someone
posting that the SB-600 has no PC contact -- but it may have been
someone who has not found it under the rubber cover on the side of the
flash. I have not handled an SB-600, so I don't know for sure.

For the kind of work which you have listed, I don't see the
extra power in the SB-800 to be a real benefit. It is nice when you
want to squeeze more distance out of a lens which does not have that
wide a maximum aperture, but for close-up and portrait -- I don't know.
(Now, if you were to get a herd of them, you could do some very creative
portrait lighting using the commander mode and even tossing in gels on
each flash to change its balance and distinguish it from the others.)

>It should be noted that I use a lot of non TTL lenses, especially for
>close-ups and portraits, so the flash has to work with those lenses as well
>(older AI lenses). So, do I get the SB600 or the SB800, and why? My

For those -- you might as well get an older one, like the SB-28.
Use it in Auto mode -- and you will probably have to manually crank in
the distance information and the angle of coverage, since the camera
won't get those bits of information from the manual lenses to pass on to
the flash.

>previous experience with flashes has been mostly automatic flashes where you
>just set the aperture, and a proper flash shutter speed, and shoot.

I think that is all that you *can* do, with the manual lenses.

Good Luck,
DoN.

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"DoN. Nichols" <dnichols@d-and-d.com> wrote in message
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> In article <Dvednaa0o8c7ty_fRVn-vw@comcast.com>,
> Sheldon <sheldon@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> wrote:
>>While money isn't a big deal, I really don't want to spend more than I
>>need.
>>The flash will probably be used for macro work and fill for portraits and
>>other images where a good fill is needed. Would be nice if I could hold
>>the
>>flash off to the side, too.
>
> Well ... for the macro work, the diffuser dome with the SB-800
> will help you.

The diffuser sounds like a good idea. I had an old Honeywell strobe with a
set of diffusers and used them all the time.

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800 all the way. I had a 600 with my D70, returned it for an 800 and
ended up getting a second 800. Both are great flashes. The 600 is
sleaker but the 800 in my opinion is so much easier to use.

Avery

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On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 19:43:18 -0600, Sheldon wrote:

> While money isn't a big deal, I really don't want to spend more than I
> need. The flash will probably be used for macro work and fill for
> portraits and other images where a good fill is needed. Would be nice if
> I could hold the flash off to the side, too.
>
> It should be noted that I use a lot of non TTL lenses, especially for
> close-ups and portraits, so the flash has to work with those lenses as
> well (older AI lenses). So, do I get the SB600 or the SB800, and why? My
> previous experience with flashes has been mostly automatic flashes where
> you just set the aperture, and a proper flash shutter speed, and shoot.
>
> Thanks
>
> Sheldon
> sheldon@sopris.net

The SB-800 is the best Nikon flash I have ever used. Whilst I haven't used
the SB-600, I wouldn't want to be found wanting some feature that it
doesn't have at a point in the future.

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Sheldon wrote:

> While money isn't a big deal, I really don't want to spend more than I
> need. The flash will probably be used for macro work and fill for
> portraits and
> other images where a good fill is needed. Would be nice if I could hold
> the flash off to the side, too.
>
> It should be noted that I use a lot of non TTL lenses, especially for
> close-ups and portraits, so the flash has to work with those lenses as
> well
> (older AI lenses). So, do I get the SB600 or the SB800, and why? My
> previous experience with flashes has been mostly automatic flashes where
> you just set the aperture, and a proper flash shutter speed, and shoot.
>
> Thanks
>
> Sheldon
> sheldon@sopris.net

The SB-800 can be used in conventional non-TTL auto mode with older lenses
where the SB-600 (at least on the D70) is restricted to iTTL or full manual
mode only. That was why I opted for an SB-800 along with the fact I have
some older cameras it would also work on (F4, Nikkormat FTn).

RAS

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On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 11:51:29 +0100, Ronnie Sellar <ronnie@nospam.com>
wrote:

>The SB-800 can be used in conventional non-TTL auto mode with older lenses
>where the SB-600 (at least on the D70) is restricted to iTTL or full manual
>mode only. That was why I opted for an SB-800 along with the fact I have
>some older cameras it would also work on (F4, Nikkormat FTn).

This is an often overlooked, but very important advantage of the
SB-800 over the SB-600. The SB-600 is quite restrictive on which
setups it'll be useful for. Some of it's other unique features such as
the strobe I've never used, but I do occasionally use the diffuser and
I've maxed it out during long-distance fill flashes which leads me to
believe the SB-600 wouldn't have been able to perform as well in these
situations.

When bouncing, I also usually deploy the little catch-light card which
is missing (although can easily be added with some velcro) from the
SB-600.

For the OP: If you end up buying multiple flashes, at least one of
them should be the SB-800, it supports iTTL in command mode (as the
D70 can, but not when the SB-600 is attached). You may want to have
significant lighting coming from the on-camera flash (SB-800 in this
case) whilst commanding other remote flashes. A SB-600 only setup
can't do this.

Although I was very annoyed that my 1 year old SB-80DX wasn't
supported by Nikons latest DSLRs, I do love the SB-800.

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Thanks all. I just ordered the 800. Decent price, rebate and no shipping
charges. The more I thought about it, with the manual lenses I already own,
I didn't want to have to use both the lenses and the flash manually. By the
time I got things together whatever I was shooting would be gone. Not worth
the savings over the 600, which wasn't all that much.

Sheldon
sheldon@sopris.net


"Owamanga" <owamanga(not-this-bit)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 11:51:29 +0100, Ronnie Sellar <ronnie@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
> >The SB-800 can be used in conventional non-TTL auto mode with older
lenses
> >where the SB-600 (at least on the D70) is restricted to iTTL or full
manual
> >mode only. That was why I opted for an SB-800 along with the fact I have
> >some older cameras it would also work on (F4, Nikkormat FTn).
>
> This is an often overlooked, but very important advantage of the
> SB-800 over the SB-600. The SB-600 is quite restrictive on which
> setups it'll be useful for. Some of it's other unique features such as
> the strobe I've never used, but I do occasionally use the diffuser and
> I've maxed it out during long-distance fill flashes which leads me to
> believe the SB-600 wouldn't have been able to perform as well in these
> situations.
>
> When bouncing, I also usually deploy the little catch-light card which
> is missing (although can easily be added with some velcro) from the
> SB-600.
>
> For the OP: If you end up buying multiple flashes, at least one of
> them should be the SB-800, it supports iTTL in command mode (as the
> D70 can, but not when the SB-600 is attached). You may want to have
> significant lighting coming from the on-camera flash (SB-800 in this
> case) whilst commanding other remote flashes. A SB-600 only setup
> can't do this.
>
> Although I was very annoyed that my 1 year old SB-80DX wasn't
> supported by Nikons latest DSLRs, I do love the SB-800.
>
> --
> Owamanga!
> http://www.pbase.com/owamanga