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Im building an AMD Gaming PC.Tips?Improvements?Will it bottleneck?

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December 30, 2012 11:12:09 PM

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($129.99 @ Amazon)

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Amazon)

Motherboard :ASRock 970 Extreme3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($84.99 @ Newegg)

Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($45.98 @ Outlet PC)

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)

Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($279.99 @ Newegg)

Sound Card: Asus Xonar DS 24-bit 192 KHz Sound Card ($38.68 @ Newegg)

Case: Rosewill CHALLENGER ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Amazon)

Power Supply: Antec Neo Eco 620W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)

Optical Drive : Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($24.98 @ Newegg)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)

Keyboard: Logitech G510 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($67.99 @ Amazon)

Other: APEVIA CF12SL-UBL 120mm Blue LED Cooling Fan ($8.99)

Other: APEVIA CF12SL-UBL 120mm Blue LED Cooling Fan ($8.99)
Other: Thermal paste ($9.99)

Total: $990.48
Any tips or improvements? Will it bottleneck?
December 30, 2012 11:19:54 PM

Solid system for the most part. The PSU choice is a bit questionable. If you plan on getting a second 7950 down the road then you're good.

620w is overkill for a single GPU system. 500w will give you room to overclock both the CPU & GPU as well as add other components later.

for ~$65, I highly reccommend PC Power & Cooling
PPCMK3S500. Very high quality PSU.

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/pc-power--cooling-power-su...
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December 31, 2012 2:33:48 AM

quilciri said:
Solid system for the most part. The PSU choice is a bit questionable. If you plan on getting a second 7950 down the road then you're good.

620w is overkill for a single GPU system. 500w will give you room to overclock both the CPU & GPU as well as add other components later.

for ~$65, I highly reccommend PC Power & Cooling
PPCMK3S500. Very high quality PSU.

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/pc-power--cooling-power-su...

I think thats what Ill go with, your 500, but can you explain why 620w would be worse than 500w?
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December 31, 2012 2:54:38 AM

dumbfounded425 said:
I think thats what Ill go with, your 500, but can you explain why 620w would be worse than 500w?

It's not worse, it's just less quality and non modular.
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December 31, 2012 2:55:49 AM

However, I'm recommending a total build around Core i5 3570K. You'll experience some bottlenecks with the AMD CPU in specific games.
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December 31, 2012 3:07:40 AM

dumbfounded425 said:
CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($129.99 @ Amazon)

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Amazon)

Motherboard :ASRock 970 Extreme3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($84.99 @ Newegg)

Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($45.98 @ Outlet PC)

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)

Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($279.99 @ Newegg)

Sound Card: Asus Xonar DS 24-bit 192 KHz Sound Card ($38.68 @ Newegg)

Case: Rosewill CHALLENGER ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Amazon)

Power Supply: Antec Neo Eco 620W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)

Optical Drive : Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($24.98 @ Newegg)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)

Keyboard: Logitech G510 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($67.99 @ Amazon)

Other: APEVIA CF12SL-UBL 120mm Blue LED Cooling Fan ($8.99)

Other: APEVIA CF12SL-UBL 120mm Blue LED Cooling Fan ($8.99)
Other: Thermal paste ($9.99)

Total: $990.48
Any tips or improvements? Will it bottleneck?



Yes it will bottleneck, and you are trolling your cpu, hard drive, and motherboard to get that keyboard... Weird choice...
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December 31, 2012 3:16:30 AM

Its a good solid build , even including the Antec psu [ which is an older model ]

You do not need the sound card . Spend that money instead on upgrading the motherboard to the Asrock 979 Extreme4 or even the ASUS M5A 990X both of which have better expansion options .Like crossfire and SLI .

The Rosewill challenger case is not that great a case . It won an award from Tomshardware for being cheap . As they gave it the award they wished they'd had enough in the budget for an Antec 300

Today you can get an Antec ONE gamer series case for less than the challenger and its much better built

Why Win7 instead of Win 8 ?
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December 31, 2012 3:23:55 AM

Outlander_04 said:
Why Win7 instead of Win 8 ?

:pfff:  :pfff: 
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December 31, 2012 3:27:36 AM

Outlander_04 said:
Its a good solid build , even including the Antec psu [ which is an older model ]

You do not need the sound card . Spend that money instead on upgrading the motherboard to the Asrock 979 Extreme4 or even the ASUS M5A 990X both of which have better expansion options .Like crossfire and SLI .

The Rosewill challenger case is not that great a case . It won an award from Tomshardware for being cheap . As they gave it the award they wished they'd had enough in the budget for an Antec 300

Today you can get an Antec ONE gamer series case for less than the challenger and its much better built

Why Win7 instead of Win 8 ?


I agree to dropping the sound card. It's overkill when all you're doing is gaming. The software and equaliser that comes with the computer is more than enough to get that "ooomph" when gaming. The money is much better spent elsewhere, such as the Antec case outlander suggested.

Also, windows 7 because it's been around much longer. All the drivers and games are developed for windows 7. If you're using windows 8 then it's just adding an unknown into the equation. Sure, most games might work, but with windows 7 all games do assuming you have all your drivers and software in order.
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December 31, 2012 3:38:55 AM

honestly at anything above $700 your in Intel territory and you should take advantage of it, If you have to i would drop the 7950 for a 7870 and go Intel better performance down the road because of bottlenecks, even if you get the i5 3470 its $180 and outperforms everything AMD throws at it. Even if Fx 6300 is overclocked still won't touch it.
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December 31, 2012 2:36:12 PM

ilysaml said:
However, I'm recommending a total build around Core i5 3570K. You'll experience some bottlenecks with the AMD CPU in specific games.

Im not really good with computers.... Can you recommend any combos of intel I5 or I3 with a MoBo?
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December 31, 2012 2:37:26 PM

Chief7285 said:
honestly at anything above $700 your in Intel territory and you should take advantage of it, If you have to i would drop the 7950 for a 7870 and go Intel better performance down the road because of bottlenecks, even if you get the i5 3470 its $180 and outperforms everything AMD throws at it. Even if Fx 6300 is overclocked still won't touch it.

Can you recommend any combinations of intel processors and MoBO? And any other suggestions?
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December 31, 2012 4:32:54 PM

It would be the same system you chose but with a;
Core i5 3570K
AROock Z77 Extreme4

You can change the PSU for Seasonic 650W

You may consider this case (Cooler Master Storm Enforcer)

Finally, if you have money left, you can put in a nice SSD (Samsung 830)
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December 31, 2012 4:50:57 PM

and if you want to go with a cheaper intel build you can go

i5 3470 $180
b75/h77 mobo for about $60-75
if you get this CPU, you can't overclock so you can use the stock cooler just fine to save a few bucks.

be about the same as your price for Fx 6300/ cooler/ mobo

but for futureproofing and all around better try to get what Ilysami suggested.
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December 31, 2012 6:45:18 PM

BY ALL MEANS, DON'T GET A WD CAVIAR BLUE! Get a faster, larger, and just as quiet Seagate Barracuda 1 TB!
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December 31, 2012 7:39:12 PM

There is no future proofing with the intel system

Socket 1155 dies completely in a few months . AMD's socket AM3+ continues till 2014 , and the steamroller processors
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December 31, 2012 9:00:11 PM

I am aware that Haswell is coming out soon in a few monthes but i was talking "futureproofing" as more horsepower earlier so you won't need to upgrade to a new CPU anytime soon. If he would go with AMD fx 6300 right now its performance is marginal compared to the i5 3570k in games so he would have to upgrade to Steamroller to compete with Ivy bridges in games later on. But who knows AMD may pull something that actually competes with intel but from what we have seen recently I highly doubt it.
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December 31, 2012 9:13:47 PM

I think the AMD's are a little weaker in older DX 9 game engines that cant multithread well
but everywhere else the user experience will be exactly the same as if you had an intel cpu
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December 31, 2012 10:48:21 PM

Outlander_04 said:
I think the AMD's are a little weaker in older DX 9 game engines that cant multithread well
but everywhere else the user experience will be exactly the same as if you had an intel cpu



Not even close.

Amd are weaker in gaming period, the more demanding the game becomes on the cpu the more the amd processor lags behind...


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December 31, 2012 11:27:55 PM

maxalge said:
Not even close.

Amd are weaker in gaming period, the more demanding the game becomes on the cpu the more the amd processor lags behind...



Not even close

The results would depend on the game engine and the resolution and detail settings . Yes the intels produce higher FPS at low resolutions . But no one plays at those resolutions by choice and the benchmark results do not reflect what happens when you play at 1080p and have image settings on high

In those situations the AMD FX processors can often perform better than the intel .
The Exception is game engines that cant multi-thread. Even then the user experience wont be any different because most monitors refesh at 60 Hz . Thats 60 times a second , the same thing as 60 FPS .....which means if you are getting more than 60 FPS you never actually see it on your monitor
So even in the situation that most favors the intel the "advantage" is theoretical rather than actual

Most people would be better buying an FX 6300 , and a better graphics card , rather than an intel quad and having to spend less on the graphics
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January 1, 2013 2:37:27 AM

Outlander_04 said:
Not even close

The results would depend on the game engine and the resolution and detail settings . Yes the intels produce higher FPS at low resolutions . But no one plays at those resolutions by choice and the benchmark results do not reflect what happens when you play at 1080p and have image settings on high

In those situations the AMD FX processors can often perform better than the intel .
The Exception is game engines that cant multi-thread. Even then the user experience wont be any different because most monitors refesh at 60 Hz . Thats 60 times a second , the same thing as 60 FPS .....which means if you are getting more than 60 FPS you never actually see it on your monitor
So even in the situation that most favors the intel the "advantage" is theoretical rather than actual

Most people would be better buying an FX 6300 , and a better graphics card , rather than an intel quad and having to spend less on the graphics




The lower the resolution, the higher the resolution, and with multi-gpu setups those higher resolutions demand.

Intel has amd beat in all aspects, unless you have less than $400 to spend, then the amd shine.



http://techreport.com/r.x/amd-fx-8350/crysis-latency.gi...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a...




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January 1, 2013 3:39:02 AM

maxalge said:
The lower the resolution, the higher the resolution, and with multi-gpu setups those higher resolutions demand.

Intel has amd beat in all aspects, unless you have less than $400 to spend, then the amd shine.



http://techreport.com/r.x/amd-fx-8350/crysis-latency.gi...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a...

http://techreport.com/r.x/cpu-gaming-2012/crysis2-beyond-50.gif



The graphic you show is from a review that doesnt measure fps , but rather the time to render the slowest individual frame . No one else even thinks this is relevant

I suggest you read this , and the forum posts that followed it
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1285/pg1/amd-fx-8...

The Tomshardware results you link are massively skewed in favor of the intel architecture by the inclusion of skyrim and starcraft . Both are DX9 and dont work particularly better with an increase in core count . This the point I made earlier .

From the same article you reference
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a...
Exen the out date FX 8120 matches the intel 2500K , and does it at a fraction of the cost .
Current generation FX processor perform better so any of the 8 core FX models should outperform a 2500K
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January 1, 2013 4:03:17 AM

Outlander_04 said:
The graphic you show is from a review that doesnt measure fps , but rather the time to render the slowest individual frame . No one else even thinks this is relevant

I suggest you read this , and the forum posts that followed it
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1285/pg1/amd-fx-8...

The Tomshardware results you link are massively skewed in favor of the intel architecture by the inclusion of skyrim and starcraft . Both are DX9 and dont work particularly better with an increase in core count . This the point I made earlier .

From the same article you reference
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a...
Exen the out date FX 8120 matches the intel 2500K , and does it at a fraction of the cost .
Current generation FX processor perform better so any of the 8 core FX models should outperform a 2500K



And that bf3 bench is single player offline:


Online:

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=...






"skewed" by the fact they require a good cpu?

Those games show the weakness of amd processors for gaming.



Also it is relevant because it shows amd cpu's stutter a lot more often and for longer durations.
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January 1, 2013 4:32:39 AM

maxalge said:
And that bf3 bench is single player offline:


Online:

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=...


http://cdn.overclock.net/7/74/746236dc_2506.png



"skewed" by the fact they require a good cpu?

Those games show the weakness of amd processors for gaming.



Also it is relevant because it shows amd cpu's stutter a lot more often and for longer durations.


And how do you think they made a repeatable benchmark in online play? By having 60 people in remote locations do exactly the same thing at exactly the same time ?
LOL !

But either way the results actually show that even a last generation FX is running the game at a minimum of 62 fps . This is more than the monitor can display anyway . The images actually displayed will be capped at 60 FPS because its likely a 60 Hz monitor .
The results actually show the intel wont produce a better user experience .

The OP will be fine with an FX 6300 and does not need an intel processor
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January 1, 2013 4:51:38 AM

Outlander_04 said:
And how do you think they made a repeatable benchmark in online play? By having 60 people in remote locations do exactly the same thing at exactly the same time ?
LOL !

But either way the results actually show that even a last generation FX is running the game at a minimum of 62 fps . This is more than the monitor can display anyway . The images actually displayed will be capped at 60 FPS because its likely a 60 Hz monitor .
The results actually show the intel wont produce a better user experience .

The OP will be fine with an FX 6300 and does not need an intel processor




60pfs average, you will see drops below that and stutter.

Also you need to read this:

http://techreport.com/review/21516/inside-the-second-a-...


Even at locked 60fps on a 60hz monitor you WILL see the stutter as shown by the benches.
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January 1, 2013 5:27:33 PM

maxalge said:
Yes it will bottleneck, and you are trolling your cpu, hard drive, and motherboard to get that keyboard... Weird choice...

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($185.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock 970 Extreme3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($45.98 @ Outlet PC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1.5TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($279.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Zalman Z11 Plus ATX Mid Tower Case ($50.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($24.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Other: Thermal paste ($9.99)
Other: Logitech g510 Keyboard ($67.99)
Other: LOGISYS Computer MDLED1BL Blue Laser LED ($5.99)
Other: Corsair Air Series AF140 Quiet Edition ($18.99)
Total: $1005.82
Do you think this build would be better for price? I got ride of the soundcard and changed out my case, probably gonna change keyboard, and is thermal paste unnecessary?
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January 1, 2013 6:25:52 PM

The thermal paste is not necessary . Some is included with the cooler

The Radeon 7950 performs only a little better than the 7870 . I wonder is you can fit n SSD [as a boot drive] in to your build . That will make it much snappier

To maxlge: Ive read that link some time ago . Its not even relevant to a current generation FX processor
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January 1, 2013 6:37:15 PM

dumbfounded425 said:
CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($185.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock 970 Extreme3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($45.98 @ Outlet PC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1.5TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($279.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Zalman Z11 Plus ATX Mid Tower Case ($50.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($24.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Other: Thermal paste ($9.99)
Other: Logitech g510 Keyboard ($67.99)
Other: LOGISYS Computer MDLED1BL Blue Laser LED ($5.99)
Other: Corsair Air Series AF140 Quiet Edition ($18.99)
Total: $1005.82
Do you think this build would be better for price? I got ride of the soundcard and changed out my case, probably gonna change keyboard, and is thermal paste unnecessary?





My counter offer:


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($169.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.68 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Pro3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($35.57 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: PNY GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($299.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 430 ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $877.15
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-01 15:36 EST-0500)


This leaves enough for that keyboard... :ange: 



And would not bottleneck the gpu like the amd.


Honestly, instead off those nicknacks that do 0 for your gaming experience, like Outlander_04 said an SSD would round it out beautifully!
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January 1, 2013 6:37:59 PM

Outlander_04 said:
The thermal paste is not necessary . Some is included with the cooler

The Radeon 7950 performs only a little better than the 7870 . I wonder is you can fit n SSD [as a boot drive] in to your build . That will make it much snappier

To maxlge: Ive read that link some time ago . Its not even relevant to a current generation FX processor



Yes it is, they are only 10% better than the old FX...
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January 1, 2013 6:43:34 PM

maxalge said:
Yes it is, they are only 10% better than the old FX...



You should be congratulating them . Thats a bigger improvement than intel got moving from sandy bridge to ivy bridge



The OP clearly wants to build an AMD computer . Dont you think its a little tedious that you keep insisting he buy an intel?
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January 1, 2013 6:44:19 PM

Outlander_04 said:
You should be congratulating them . Thats a bigger improvement than intel got moving from sandy bridge to ivy bridge



The OP clearly wants to build an AMD computer . Dont you think its a little tedious that you keep insisting he buy an intel?



Nope, same 10% increase from sandy to ivy.
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January 1, 2013 6:46:33 PM

Outlander_04 said:




The OP clearly wants to build an AMD computer . Dont you think its a little tedious that you keep insisting he buy an intel?



Well, I am just trying to get him the most for his money, the question is, why are you giving him bad advice for a gaming system?

At this price point, amd would just give him nothing but regret, when he comes back on the forums asking why he is not getting the fps he is supposed to get with his GPU...


Or why he gets so much stutter...


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January 1, 2013 6:48:42 PM

Outlander_04 said:
The OP clearly wants to build an AMD computer . Dont you think its a little tedious that you keep insisting he buy an intel?

The OP originally asked if there's gonna be a bottleneck, and yes, in certain games the AMD CPU won't keep up like the Intel CPU, resulting in holding back the GPU, is it clear to you?
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January 1, 2013 6:54:45 PM

ilysaml said:
The OP originally asked if there's gonna be a bottleneck, and yes, in certain games the AMD CPU won't keep up like the Intel CPU, resulting in holding back the GPU, is it clear to you?



PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($169.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.68 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Pro3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($35.57 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.98 @ Outlet PC)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($94.99 @ Microcenter)
Video Card: PNY GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($299.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 430 ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $972.14
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-01 15:50 EST-0500)



Per OP: Any tips or improvements?
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January 1, 2013 6:57:12 PM

ilysaml said:
The OP originally asked if there's gonna be a bottleneck, and yes, in certain games the AMD CPU won't keep up like the Intel CPU, resulting in holding back the GPU, is it clear to you?




Imagine looking the OP in the eyes, are you going to tell him to spend his hard earned dollars on an amd system for gaming?


Especially after looking at the damn sweet setup I just posted???
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January 1, 2013 7:02:15 PM

ilysaml said:
The OP originally asked if there's gonna be a bottleneck, and yes, in certain games the AMD CPU won't keep up like the Intel CPU, resulting in holding back the GPU, is it clear to you?



At some resolutions in some games the AMD will perform better than any intel . Is that clear to you?

If its not then read this
www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1285/pg1/amd-fx-8150-bla...


Would I look the OP in the eye and recommend an AMD FX processor ?
Yes . of course . They are excellent value and the gamer experience is identical to those who choose to use an intel

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January 1, 2013 7:12:40 PM

Outlander_04 said:
At some resolutions in some games the AMD will perform better than any intel . Is that clear to you?

If its not then read this
www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1285/pg1/amd-fx-8150-bla...


Would I look the OP in the eye and recommend an AMD FX processor ?
Yes . of course . They are excellent value and the gamer experience is identical to those who choose to use an intel


The 3570k is 10% better than the 2500k at equal clocks.


The 8350 is 10% better than the 8120/8150 at equal clocks.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a...








More stutter for longer periods.










3570k better fps, plus smoother play than the amd's


the 3770k is equal to the 3570k in games.






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January 1, 2013 7:19:58 PM

Outlander_04 said:
At some resolutions in some games the AMD will perform better than any intel . Is that clear to you?

If its not then read this
www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1285/pg1/amd-fx-8150-bla...


Would I look the OP in the eye and recommend an AMD FX processor ?
Yes . of course . They are excellent value and the gamer experience is identical to those who choose to use an intel



No, they are not excellent value, when you can make an i5 build for the same money for gaming.

And no, the experience is NOT identical. ESPECIALLY for gaming.


The 8350 is closer to a i3 3220 in gaming, very comparable, until you get to the higher overclocks on the amd, and even then BARELY beats it.

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January 1, 2013 7:22:43 PM



maxalge , I realise you spend a lot of time reading benchmarks , but when was the last time you built an AMD computer with an FX processor ....or even played a game on one?

Im guessing the answer is NEVER , but its a very reasonable guess I think

Thge OP wants to build an AMD based computer , and it will perform extremely well . User experience will be identical to anyone using a more expensive intel processor . Your own charts show this quite clearly .
The 3570 and 3770 do not perform identically in all games by any means . The 3770 performs a little better , just not $100 better
That leaves the FX 8350 performing within a FPS or two in your latest mash up of useless information .


Come back when you have tried gaming on an FX gaming computer
:-)
[ quick go find a benchmark to prove me wrong LOL ]


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January 1, 2013 7:28:32 PM

Outlander_04 said:
maxalge , I realise you spend a lot of time reading benchmarks , but when was the last time you built an AMD computer with an FX processor ....or even played a game on one?

Im guessing the answer is NEVER , but its a very reasonable guess I think

Thge OP wants to build an AMD based computer , and it will perform extremely well . User experience will be identical to anyone using a more expensive intel processor . Your own charts show this quite clearly .
The 3570 and 3770 do not perform identically in all games by any means . The 3770 performs a little better , just not $100 better
That leaves the FX 8350 performing within a FPS or two in your latest mash up of useless information .


Come back when you have tried gaming on an FX gaming computer
:-)
[ quick go find a benchmark to prove me wrong LOL ]



One of my computers has a 1055t @ 3.8ghz...


From EXPERIENCE, having had both that amd, and my current rig.


That leaves the FX 8350 performing within a FPS or two in your latest mash up of useless information


More like 5 - 10+ fps on the 3570k, around 40% better in cpu bound situations AND with a LOT less stutter than the amd.



I smell a fanboy...


Don't know why I bother, I guess the nerve of some random joe's wasting people's hard earned money gets to me. :pfff: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wKyXA_nMVQ





/shrug


Ultimately it's all on the OP, the best you can get for your money or not...


Good luck.
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January 1, 2013 8:35:35 PM

Sorry, but your estimates are just flat out wrong here, max.

My friend picked up a 6300 at the same time I swapped out for a 3570k. We have the same video setup (paired 7850's). After some tweaking he got the 6300 up to 4.5 ghz and his rig was noticeably outperforming mine at stock speed (~5 fps) in borderlands 2 & planetside 2. Didn't bench too many more games as the bragging rights portion of my brain demanded I immediately overclock.

In short, the 6300 is a tasty CPU.
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January 1, 2013 10:34:31 PM

maxalge said:



I smell a fanboy...


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Me too

The intel fanboys often turn up in threads where the OP is asking about an AMD computer and start ranting about how thats all wrong
Then they start making false comparisons

Like asserting a 3770 only games as well as a 3570 . Clock for clock it is fractionally better , but since its clocked higher you see performance gains with the 3770 in gaming . Pointless for a tuner since you can just clock the 3570 to the same speeds , so pointless paying the extra if you are just gaming

But out of the box they are not the same , and a benchmark for a 3770 will be noticeably higher than a 3570.
The best case you can make is that a $330 intel i7 will perform marginally better than a $210 FX 8350 .
In the real world the difference is so small that no one will usually even notice
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January 2, 2013 2:21:23 AM

Outlander_04 said:
At some resolutions in some games the AMD will perform better than any intel . Is that clear to you?

If its not then read this
www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1285/pg1/amd-fx-8150-bla...

No it's not. What does this review present? It's not even realistic and it benched only one game which is DEUS EX HR, it showed that FX 8150 scored 7 FPS more than 2600K(is that even a gain?) in a resolution which is very GPU intensive in a game like Deus Ex, while the truth is;


Actually I'm surprised by the lack of your knowledge, FX 8350 can't maintain a solid 60 FPS in the recent titles which means it will hold back any high end GPU or a CF/SLI setup.



Outlander_04 said:
Would I look the OP in the eye and recommend an AMD FX processor ?
Yes . of course . They are excellent value and the gamer experience is identical to those who choose to use an intel

Like really?
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January 2, 2013 3:41:54 AM

ilysaml , like REALLY ?

what does a core scaling chart comparing Phenom cores to i5's have to do with this discussion? The FX is not a Phenom core . The architecture is completely refreshed .
If you dont even know that then why are you commenting at all ?

You publish that Hitman bench . 2xAA . If the bench was run at 8XAA where most people would prefer to play the results are going to be different . Maybe LOTs different . Its a classic example of how to prove anything with statistics

You say my link shows one benchmark . It shows 3 . You say a 7 FPS win to an older lower performing FX 8150 is irrelevant , but then publish a chart for FarCry showing a win to an intel 3770K over the FX by 7 fps at 1080p and thats interesting?
Fanboy much ?

And still the OP wanted advice on an AMD based computer . Thats his choice , and this generation it was my choice too .
You should try playing on an FX system sometime .
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January 2, 2013 5:02:26 AM

Guys I found a place with an i5 VERY close by thats 169.99! saying that I think an i5 3570k for that price is a very good deal! this is my updated build
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($169.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Pro3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($45.98 @ Outlet PC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1.5TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($279.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Zalman Z11 Plus ATX Mid Tower Case ($50.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Raidmax 530W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($47.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($24.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Other: Logitech g510 Keyboard ($67.99)
Other: LOGISYS Computer MDLED1BL Blue Laser LED ($5.99)
Other: Corsair Air Series AF140 Quiet Edition ($17.99)
Total: $1008.81

Can I overclock with this i5? And I would of went with AMD but at this point, an i5 with that discount is basically unbeatable in my opinion. Please comment back if theres an AMD proccessor for cheaper that is comparable and wont bottleneck a 7950 thats (maybe overclocked) or a 7870ghz ed.
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January 2, 2013 5:30:28 AM

Outlander_04 said:
ilysaml , like REALLY ?

what does a core scaling chart comparing Phenom cores to i5's have to do with this discussion? 1-The FX is not a Phenom core . The architecture is completely refreshed .
If you dont even know that then why are you commenting at all ?

You publish that Hitman bench . 2xAA . If the bench was run at 8XAA where most people would prefer to play the results are going to be different . Maybe LOTs different . Its a classic example of how to prove anything with statistics

You say my link shows one benchmark . It shows 3 . You say a 7 FPS win to an older lower performing FX 8150 is irrelevant , 2-but then publish a chart for FarCry showing a win to an intel 3770K over the FX by 7 fps at 1080p and thats interesting?
Fanboy much ?


3-And still the OP wanted advice on an AMD based computer . Thats his choice , and this generation it was my choice too .
You should try playing on an FX system sometime
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1- FX 8150 was worse than the Phenom, haven't you seen the articles of fails in every reputable site?
FX 8350 came to fix FX 8150 fails with a 10-15% improvements in multi-threaded and CPU intensive applications but it didn't come with a noticeable gain & improvements for games, see the benches of the CPU intensive games such as Skyrim, WOW, and all the online RPG multiplayer games.

2- I'm not even looking at the 1080P benches unless the game is very CPU dependent like Hitman, in 1024 resolution a lot of rendering is done by the CPU, 13 FPS can smooth out a CPU intensive game.

3- Well, you should give an advice of the best bang for buck, Price/Performance bargain, you should tell the advaantages and disadvantages, the newcomer posts a question cause he mainly seeks help and knowledge which you kinda lack.

FYI, I'm running an AMD system and I never owned an Intel based PC.
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January 2, 2013 5:33:44 AM

@Dumbfounded425

Sweet build! just change the PSU to a quality one. PSUs from Antec, Seasonic, Corsair, PC Power&Cooling are great ones. Also you may consider a modular one, it will help for proper airflow and cable management.

And I'd get the ASROCK Z77 EXTREME 4
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January 2, 2013 8:26:46 AM

ilysaml said:

2- I'm not even looking at the 1080P benches unless the game is very CPU dependent like Hitman, in 1024 resolution a lot of rendering is done by the CPU, 13 FPS can smooth out a CPU intensive game.

3- Well, you should give an advice of the best bang for buck, Price/Performance bargain, you should tell the advaantages and disadvantages, the newcomer posts a question cause he mainly seeks help and knowledge which you kinda lack.

FYI, I'm running an AMD system and I never owned an Intel based PC.



Since almost everyone is playing at 1080p resolution thats the only one that actually counts . Low resolutions are meaningless synthetic benchmarks and doesnt mean a very much, if anything, in the real world .

But you could be right about me lacking knowledge . Ive only been building computers for 30 years now so I'm still quite new at this and have lots to learn

FYI , Im running an intel system right now , but the new build is AMD . My first one of those for about 6 years
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January 2, 2013 4:58:17 PM

ilysaml said:
@Dumbfounded425

Sweet build! just change the PSU to a quality one. PSUs from Antec, Seasonic, Corsair, PC Power&Cooling are great ones. Also you may consider a modular one, it will help for proper airflow and cable management.

And I'd get the ASROCK Z77 EXTREME 4

Well I want to overclock, so how much power do you think Ill need? And how hard should I OC? I changed my 7950 to a different version (vapor X )
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January 2, 2013 4:59:42 PM

ilysaml said:
@Dumbfounded425

Sweet build! just change the PSU to a quality one. PSUs from Antec, Seasonic, Corsair, PC Power&Cooling are great ones. Also you may consider a modular one, it will help for proper airflow and cable management.

And I'd get the ASROCK Z77 EXTREME 4

How would an http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... be? I really like this one, 650 watts plus it crossfire ready and Blue Leds so it matches my setup
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