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January 1, 2013 1:05:08 AM

Within the next month I'm going to be building a new desktop the top of my price range is 700$

Approximate Purchase Date: Within the next month.

Budget Range: 600-700$ CA

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Most important is gaming, Wont be doing much else but the regular internet stuff.

Are you buying a monitor:No, Have one.

Parts to Upgrade:From the ground up.

Do you need to buy OS: No.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Newegg is fine.

Location: Vancouver, British Columbia. Canada.

Parts Preferences: Whichever is better im neutral.

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe In the future.

Your Monitor Resolution: Honestly, not sure bought it a few years back.

Additional Comments:-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: Dont currently have a gaming rig.


Thanks for the help

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January 1, 2013 2:53:53 AM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3450 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($194.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H77 Pro4/MVP ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($45.86 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($179.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Antec Three Hundred ATX Mid Tower Case ($54.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: OCZ Fatal1ty 550W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($69.64 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Sony AD-7280S-0B DVD/CD Writer ($18.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($87.28 @ CompUSA)
Total: $781.71
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-31 23:53 EST-0500)
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January 1, 2013 5:28:15 AM

Emelth said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3450 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($194.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H77 Pro4/MVP ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($45.86 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($179.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Antec Three Hundred ATX Mid Tower Case ($54.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: OCZ Fatal1ty 550W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($69.64 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Sony AD-7280S-0B DVD/CD Writer ($18.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($87.28 @ CompUSA)
Total: $781.71
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-31 23:53 EST-0500)



Would a FX-8320 perform better then the i5-3450?? I looked at a benchmark and it was considerably higher on every test? and would it be compatible with all these parts??
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January 1, 2013 5:36:42 AM

No, stick with the i5. The best AMD chips are equiv to lower end i5s.
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January 1, 2013 5:40:30 AM

Ok, this sounds like a decent rig. With all these components what do you think I could run the most demanding games on battlefield 3, crysis. etc? just trying to get an idea.
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January 1, 2013 5:41:23 AM

Also if I were to get an HD7870 would it work fine in this rig?? thanks for all the help.
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a b 4 Gaming
January 1, 2013 8:27:23 AM

Hi.
I looked at Emelth's build and saw that there were lots of things i could improve.And since you're in Canada i included parts from Canadian shops instead of ones in the US.
The result is this.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3350P 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($159.99 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: ASRock B75M-GL Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($54.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Memory: Mushkin Silverline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($34.99 @ Canada Computers)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ Canada Computers)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card ($224.99 @ Canada Computers)
Case: Antec Three Hundred Two ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 750W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($79.99 @ NCIX)
Optical Drive: Sony AD-7280S-0B DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Canada Computers)
Total: $696.92
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-01 05:25 EST-0500)

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January 1, 2013 8:46:41 AM

Kamen_BG said:
Hi.
I looked at Emelth's build and saw that there were lots of things i could improve.And since you're in Canada i included parts from Canadian shops instead of ones in the US.
The result is this.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3350P 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($159.99 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: ASRock B75M-GL Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($54.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Memory: Mushkin Silverline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($34.99 @ Canada Computers)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ Canada Computers)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card ($224.99 @ Canada Computers)
Case: Antec Three Hundred Two ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 750W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($79.99 @ NCIX)
Optical Drive: Sony AD-7280S-0B DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Canada Computers)
Total: $696.92
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-01 05:25 EST-0500)



Awsome man thanks alot seems alot better, I have a couple questions though. How much better is the 3450 compared to the 3350 cause id rather spend the extra 20-40 bucks for a better cpu and my other question is I have heard a couple things about the 7870 sapphire version about some bad cards?? but other then that I really like those componants and most likely will go with this build
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January 1, 2013 9:42:28 AM

a 550 watt PSU will be all thats needed (your not going Xfire on a micro board!)and one of my favorite 7870s aside from the HAWK:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($179.99 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: ASRock B75M-GL Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($54.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Memory: Mushkin Silverline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($34.99 @ Canada Computers)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ Canada Computers)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card ($199.99 @ NCIX)
Case: Antec Three Hundred ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ NCIX)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Canada Computers)
Total: $641.92
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-01 06:41 EST-0500)
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January 1, 2013 10:18:48 AM

Anonymous said:
a 550 watt PSU will be all thats needed (your not going Xfire on a micro board!)and one of my favorite 7870s aside from the HAWK:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($179.99 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: ASRock B75M-GL Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($54.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Memory: Mushkin Silverline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($34.99 @ Canada Computers)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ Canada Computers)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card ($199.99 @ NCIX)
Case: Antec Three Hundred ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ NCIX)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Canada Computers)
Total: $641.92
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-01 06:41 EST-0500)



Thanks alot for the help man, So many choices though... the i5-3470 is the processor id pick out of the bunch and not sure about the rest.. I really like the 7870 but Im just a bit skeptical about purchasing one due to many ppl complaining about the black screen and it crashing blah blah blah. Would love to get some more input to choose between the different components. Also which 7870 is the best how much more is the HAWK and how about performance wise?? sorry for all the questions just need to be sure before I start buying.

ps: If anyone could help me find the best wireless adapter/usb would greatly appreciate it thanks alot guys :D 
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January 1, 2013 10:25:27 AM

jfly604 said:
Thanks alot for the help man, So many choices though... the i5-3470 is the processor id pick out of the bunch and not sure about the rest.. I really like the 7870 but Im just a bit skeptical about purchasing one due to many ppl complaining about the black screen and it crashing blah blah blah. Would love to get some more input to choose between the different components. Also which 7870 is the best how much more is the HAWK and how about performance wise?? sorry for all the questions just need to be sure before I start buying.

ps: If anyone could help me find the best wireless adapter/usb would greatly appreciate it thanks alot guys :D 

you're welcome.

the HAWK is about $25 cad more. if you are unsure of the 7870 for some reason, though i haven't seen many complaints, you could think about a GTX 660. it trades blows with the 7870 in many games is usually a little cheaper. but if your looking at overclocking the graphics; the 7870 is the way to go.

sorry i am ignorant about wireless hubs . . .:( 
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January 1, 2013 10:30:22 AM

Anonymous said:
you're welcome.

the HAWK is about $25 cad more. if you are unsure of the 7870 for some reason, though i haven't seen many complaints, you could think about a GTX 660. it trades blows with the 7870 in many games is usually a little cheaper. but if your looking at overclocking the graphics; the 7870 is the way to go.

sorry i am ignorant about wireless hubs . . .:( 



Haha all's good man, You think it's worth the extra 30$ ? Cause I think it has the gpu reactor for longer life how much better is the performance.

Also for overclocking the graphics, if I go with the rig you suggested would I be able to do it no problem.
Sorry im pretty computer illiterate.. im learning :p 
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January 1, 2013 12:47:29 PM

Kamen_BG said:
Hi.
I looked at Emelth's build and saw that there were lots of things i could improve.And since you're in Canada i included parts from Canadian shops instead of ones in the US.
The result is this.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3350P 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($159.99 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: ASRock B75M-GL Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($54.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Memory: Mushkin Silverline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($34.99 @ Canada Computers)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ Canada Computers)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card ($224.99 @ Canada Computers)
Case: Antec Three Hundred Two ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 750W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($79.99 @ NCIX)
Optical Drive: Sony AD-7280S-0B DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Canada Computers)
Total: $696.92
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-01 05:25 EST-0500)


Thanks for the pickup didnt realize he was in Canada
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January 1, 2013 4:31:22 PM

Don't think you will be happy with a B75 chipset on you motherboard, think about you original post you might want to overclock and go with SLI or Crossfire in the future. You better do some research!
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January 1, 2013 4:55:37 PM

jfly604 said:
Haha all's good man, You think it's worth the extra 30$ ? Cause I think it has the gpu reactor for longer life how much better is the performance.

Also for overclocking the graphics, if I go with the rig you suggested would I be able to do it no problem.
Sorry im pretty computer illiterate.. im learning :p 

a link for the HAWK's price
http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/part/msi-video-card-r7870haw...
MSI Radeon HD 7870 Hawk Reg. Price: $279.99 CAD
After Mail In Rebate: $269.99 CAD
it would be potentially a better overclocker (every chip is different even on the same card, so mileage varies)

knightdog56 said:
Don't think you will be happy with a B75 chipset on you motherboard, think about you original post you might want to overclock and go with SLI or Crossfire in the future. You better do some research!


i believe the OP said:
jfly604 said:

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe In the future.


with going Xfire/SLI unnecessary (esp. w/o knowing the resolution or games being played) and overclocking the cpu nothing more than waving epeen; neither are really an issue ATM.
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January 1, 2013 10:15:54 PM

knightdog56 said:
Don't think you will be happy with a B75 chipset on you motherboard, think about you original post you might want to overclock and go with SLI or Crossfire in the future. You better do some research!


I dont know about overclocking, Im worried about damaging my hardware if it fry's then I wont have money to replace it. Really I just want something thats half way decent to run all current games on high-ultra would be fine with me and I can upgrade the gpu later on, thats all I really care about. Also which cpu is the best listed here there are so many i5 versions it gets confusing which one to choose. And with the b75 I cant overclock and its not sli/xfire at all??
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January 1, 2013 10:25:51 PM

1 More thing, would it be cheaper to crossfire/sli in the future or just buy a top of the line single card when mine goes out of date.

Can someone take all the componants people listed and put them into the best build possible im really confused which to go with. Would really appreciate it guys thanks alot
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January 1, 2013 10:41:30 PM

jfly604 said:
1 More thing, would it be cheaper to crossfire/sli in the future or just buy a top of the line single card when mine goes out of date.

Can someone take all the componants people listed and put them into the best build possible im really confused which to go with. Would really appreciate it guys thanks alot


buying a better single card is always better. going Xfire/SLI is really more for multi monitor set ups. trying to Xfire/SLI two lower/mid range cards will increase the likelihood of getting a microstutter problem.

what where the things you really liked and know you would want?

what didn't you like or are unsure of?
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January 1, 2013 11:59:15 PM

I just want a good reliable motherboa for gaming. I'm sure about the 7870 its a reasonable price and has good performance and I'm sure othe hdd and ram. Only things I'm unsure about is the CPU and motherboard, like do I want to overclock is the performance increase amazing or should I just get a decent CPU that will run fine stock?
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January 2, 2013 1:06:33 AM

Its really hard for ur budget to get a OC'able intel CPU. They guy that posted above just randomly posted stuff without checking your budget. We all wish u could strive for the 3570k its the best gaming CPU as of now but even if you were able to get this you would need to get a reliable motherboard for OCing which would cost more money as well. The system I made is the best we can do with your buget if you want something better you would have to get more money to spend towards it
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January 2, 2013 1:31:30 AM

Anonymous said:
with going Xfire/SLI unnecessary (esp. w/o knowing the resolution or games being played) and overclocking the cpu nothing more than waving epeen; neither are really an issue ATM.

how is overclocking "waving epeen"? since more performance apparently isn't important to you why even suggest a i5 probably should just get a i3. imo overclocking a 3570k from 3.4GHz to 4GHz+ is well worth it.

i went a little over $700 but i clearly beats any other build. has a 3570k and a Z75 mb so you can overclock. if you cant go over $700 drop the cpu cooler and buy it later.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($217.99 @ NCIX)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($27.99 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: ASRock Z75 Pro3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($31.99 @ NCIX)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ Canada Computers)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card ($199.99 @ NCIX)
Case: BitFenix Merc Alpha (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ NCIX)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Canada Computers)
Total: $729.91
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-01 22:27 EST-0500)
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January 2, 2013 2:22:40 AM

Best answer selected by jfly604.
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January 2, 2013 2:25:13 AM

Im sold with jon's answer, its only 50 bucks more and seems to be way better. once I get this setup im gonna look into overclocking and learn to do it properly... honestly cant be that hard I have common sense and am good with electronics so no prob there just worried about the life of the componant going way down because I push it to far but thanks everyone you guy's all help so much !
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January 2, 2013 2:34:16 AM

jonjonjon said:
how is overclocking "waving epeen"? since more performance apparently isn't important to you why even suggest a i5 probably should just get a i3. imo overclocking a 3570k from 3.4GHz to 4GHz+ is well worth it.

and that increased your frame rate how?

hhmmmm? there is a point of diminishing return when it comes to overclocking for gaming.

edit: the poor attempt at sarcasm doesn't fit but nice try.
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January 2, 2013 2:43:25 AM

so just ask yourself the same question how does the i5 help frame rates over the i3? also a lot of games are console ports and single threaded performance is still important. that's why everyone buys intel over amd.
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January 2, 2013 2:52:38 AM

jonjonjon said:
so just ask yourself the same question how does it the i5 help frame rates over the i3? also a lot of games are console ports and single threaded performance is still important. that's why everyone buys intel over amd.

you need to do some research; poor console port do well with multicore cpus as much if not more than single threaded performance so thats why some games do better with an i5. to use your example a higher clocked i3 would beat an i5 in gaming :o 

bringing an AMD into the discussion is a bit of smoke and mirrors.

if the OP likes your suggestions the best thats all well in good. but don't attempt to look down an arrogant nose at non overclocking suggestions; it does reinforce the "epeen waving" attitiude . .
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January 2, 2013 3:24:39 AM

no it just makes no sense not to get an unlocked cpu for $20-30 more if you can overclock it. who knows in a couple years when its not the newest cpu and more demanding games come out that extra performance could come in real handy.

amd is smoke an mirrors? then why doesn't anyone buy them? they have 8 core cpu's. for the most part cpu's wont increase your fps but it will help with frame latency. which will prevent stuttering. have you ever read techreport reviews?
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January 2, 2013 4:36:05 AM

jonjonjon said:
no it just makes no sense not to get an unlocked cpu for $20-30 more if you can overclock it. who knows in a couple years when its not the newest cpu and more demanding games come out that extra performance could come in real handy.

amd is smoke an mirrors? then why doesn't anyone buy them? they have 8 core cpu's. for the most part cpu's wont increase your fps but it will help with frame latency. which will prevent stuttering. have you ever read techreport reviews?

i must admit to having to make an addendum; an unlocked i5 will help gaming with a high end multicard configuration; pardon me for forgetting that.

but in the case of a single mid range card such as the 7870 it will make no difference. it isn't an assumption to state that the gpu will bottleneck long before the cpu and in that case it won't matter how much you overclock, aside from lowering the settings the frame rates won't change. so then it isn't cost effective to spend $20 - $30 more for an unlocked i5.

it seems you misunderstood the smoke and mirrors comment; we are talking (or at least i am) the i5. not what AMD and how it games when overclocked. thats comparing an apple to an orange.

and yes i read TR quite a bit and found there comparisons of frame latency quite informative (and innovative) but AFAIK there is to benchmark there, or anywhere, supporting for statement of an OC'd i5 having lower latency. what they do have:



is benchmarks showing the difference between platforms and then the architecture. the differences between a 3470 and 3570K or 2400 and 2500K, with the latter of the pair (2470, 2400) being slower than the former of each pair (3570K, 2500k), is only seen in a benchmark. the difference is so minute it would not be noticeable in game play.

we are looking at 16.7 milliseconds here; one tenth the time it takes to blink an eye!

so your going to tell me that is cost effective for $20 - $30??? and i don't appreciate performance?

whatever. i have to be up for work in the morning; a lot to do to catch up from a holiday vacation. g'night.

btw happy new years.
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January 2, 2013 5:45:00 AM

Looniam, thanks alot man you helped the most. The reason I like jon's suggestion is who knows in the future Ill most likely want to OC to squeeze a bit more performance out of it and for a couple bucks more it seems like the way to go. but you helped me decide on the gpu and everything else I learned some things reading you're posts so thanks alot man, happy new years.
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