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January 2, 2013 2:06:55 AM

I am about to build my first PC. While I am a computer science major, I am still somewhat in the dark when it comes to hardware. I want to think I know what I am doing, but I am no near as knowledgeable as I would like to be or hope to become.

I use my computer for just about everything from web surfing, watching video, coding and compiling, etc. While I am not a huge PC gamer (I ten to stick to the consoles), I still want the ability to run most anything on the occasion that I do play. I mostly just want to build a machine as awesome as possible that will still be a good machine a few years from now, if that is possible.

After some research, this is what I put together with a budget of around $700. I am open to any and all advice. Where am I really overspending, if anywhere?

I added my choices the the cart a few days ago and when I cam back to look tonight, a few of my choices where gone and I can no longer find them. What I had the other day was almost $200 cheaper. I think most of that price was from the case and power supply as I had a combo chosen with a 700W power supply but I cannot find it now.

COOLER MASTER RC-692A-KKN5
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

XION AXP-1000K14XE 1000W PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

AMD A10-5800K Trinity 3.8GHz (4.2GHz Turbo) Socket FM2 100W Quad-Core Desktop APU (CPU + GPU) with DirectX 11 Graphic AMD Radeon HD 7660D
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MSI FM2-A85XA-G65 FM2 AMD A85X (Hudson D4) HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MSI R6570-MD1G/LP Radeon HD 6570 1GB 128-bit Graphics Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Western Digital WD 1TB 7200 RPM HDD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

LG Optical Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Rosewill 3.5" Internal Card Reader
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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January 2, 2013 2:16:16 AM

I don't like that PSU brand, and 1000W is way overkill power for your system. http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-power-supply-p1550sxxb... get that. Also do really need a card reader? I don't know what they are for but it seems like a waste of money. You don't need blu-ray drive, you can put that money in for a more powerful GPU.
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January 2, 2013 2:19:46 AM

For $700 you can do wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy better. That power supply is crap, don't purchase it. I think I'd chuck that whole build. If it's gaming the Trinity is a good CPU with above average graphics and that video card add on isn't very good.

Here's what I would suggest:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock H77 Pro4/MVP ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($35.57 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($88.98 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($200.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($63.93 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $706.42
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-01 23:19 EST-0500)
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January 2, 2013 2:46:43 AM

g-unit1111 said:
For $700 you can do wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy better. That power supply is crap, don't purchase it. I think I'd chuck that whole build. If it's gaming the Trinity is a good CPU with above average graphics and that video card add on isn't very good.

Here's what I would suggest:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock H77 Pro4/MVP ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($35.57 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($88.98 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($200.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($63.93 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $706.42
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-01 23:19 EST-0500)



It looks you have certainly found some cheaper options for me but I do have a few questions. Why the Intel i5? It is more expense at 3.2GHz while the AMD A10 is cheaper at 3.8GHz so is it also not faster and/or better? I have always bought AMD because of the price and have never been disappointed in them.

I not really sure about the PU. I knew that was too much, but I was thinking that more is better if I planned to add more later. Like I said, I had a Cooler Master case/PU 700W combo picked out but it as gone from NewEgg but of course that does not mean I could not find it elsewhere.

I also don't see spending that much on the graphics card. As I said, I have never been much of a PC gamer but I would like the option to do so, but if that is the price to able to do so, I think I can settle for less.

When referring to the video car add on, are you talking about the onboard or the one I chose?

You guys are right about the Blu Ray. I don't really need it so for $50 or so, I can do without it although I would like the card reader because we take a lot of pictures and I find it very convenient to be able to just put it in the PC instead of hooking the camera up.

Thanks for the input and keep it coming. I plan to spend about two more months researching before I build.
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January 2, 2013 2:49:20 AM

I like the AMD budget idea for multitasking purposes (not just gaming). Here is what I would go for with AMD. The case is up to you, just make sure that it has USB 3.0 ports on the front because the motherboard that I suggested has a USB 3.0 headers. The Sapphire 7850 is perfect. Added a 1.5TB HDD for ~$20 less. The PSU I went with is just the right amount ,it's modular so you don't have all of the extra cables, a good name brand, and gold rated for better efficiency.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor ($159.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($60.38 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Kingston Blu 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($34.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1.5TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($200.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($85.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $688.30
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-01 23:47 EST-0500)
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January 2, 2013 3:15:15 AM

cball1311 said:
I like the AMD budget idea for multitasking purposes (not just gaming). Here is what I would go for with AMD. The case is up to you, just make sure that it has USB 3.0 ports on the front because the motherboard that I suggested has a USB 3.0 headers. The Sapphire 7850 is perfect. Added a 1.5TB HDD for ~$20 less. The PSU I went with is just the right amount ,it's modular so you don't have all of the extra cables, a good name brand, and gold rated for better efficiency.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor ($159.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($60.38 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Kingston Blu 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($34.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1.5TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($200.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($85.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $688.30
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-01 23:47 EST-0500)



After reading the specs and some of the reviews on that CPU, I really like it. I am most certainly a multitasker on the computer. I always have a bunch of windows open, along with a few other applications. I also usually have video streaming to my 50" via HDMI. I have also just ordered another 23" monitor so I can have a duel monitor setup. I have not looked into it but is triple monitor possible so I can have both monitors and the 50" running?

I am not sure about the motherboard. I was hoping to have 6Gb/s SATA but maybe that is not such a big deal? This is something I am not totally sure about yet but my thoughts are 6 is better/faster than 3.

More HDD space for less is always a plus.

What do you mean about the PU being modular? You also brought up another point I need to ask about and that is brands. What are good and what should be avoided at all cost?
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January 2, 2013 3:18:03 AM

Yeah, thats my bad. Let me look for something with SATA3, might up the price just a touch.

EDIT: Here you go.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130637

Modular PSU means that the cables for SATA, PCI, and molex are seperate from the PSU and you can just connect the amount of cables that you need. Saves space in the case and looks a lot better. As far as quality, just don't by cheap. Antec, SeaSonic, PC Power & Cooling, Corsair, and XFX are good quality brands. You get what you pay for when it comes to a PSU (the most important part of the rig IMO).
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January 2, 2013 3:29:43 AM

cball1311 said:
Yeah, thats my bad. Let me look for something with SATA3, might up the price just a touch.

EDIT: Here you go.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130637

Modular PSU means that the cables for SATA, PCI, and molex are seperate from the PSU and you can just connect the amount of cables that you need. Saves space in the case and looks a lot better. As far as quality, just don't by cheap. Antec, SeaSonic, PC Power & Cooling, Corsair, and XFX are good quality brands. You get what you pay for when it comes to a PSU (the most important part of the rig IMO).



That MB is very similar to the one I originally picked out but of course they are different sockets and the one I had has onboard graphics.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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January 2, 2013 3:46:53 AM

Yep. No need for onboard graphics with the 7850.
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January 2, 2013 3:55:09 AM

cball1311 said:
Yep. No need for onboard graphics with the 7850.



Could the same be said for the onboard graphics? I can't find any specs on it but if one has that, could you go with a lesser graphics cards and still get the same performance?
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January 2, 2013 3:55:53 AM

No. Onboard graphics will never reach the perfomance of a dedicated graphics card. There are cases where you can CrossFire the integrated graphics with a dedicated card (known as CrossFire Hybrid) but I have never dealt with it before.
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January 2, 2013 4:02:43 AM

sata3 wont make a difference unless your using a ssd. with that said its nice to have sata3 in case you ever decide to get a ssd. which you should!
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January 2, 2013 4:03:41 AM

jonjonjon said:
sata3 wont make a difference unless your using a ssd. with that said its nice to have sata3 in case you ever decide to get a ssd. which you should!


I would love to have one but right now, the cost is just too much.
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January 2, 2013 4:12:47 AM

Get the SATA3, you won't regret it later. SSD prices are dropping like a rock.
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January 2, 2013 4:16:50 AM

I would sacrifice anything in the recommended build. Just wait to get the SSD later.
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January 2, 2013 4:20:00 AM

he says he doesn't really game on the pc don't you think a $200 video card is a bit overkill? i think he would be better off with a 7770 and a ssd but its really up to the op.
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January 2, 2013 4:24:18 AM

He did say "a few years from now". The SSD can come in a month.
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January 2, 2013 4:30:43 AM

imo this makes more sense considering he isn't a huge pc gamer. the ssd is well worth it. also the kingston ram is 1.6 volts for the same price you can get 1.5V ram.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor ($159.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($60.38 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($35.57 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Sandisk Extreme 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1.5TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7850 1GB Video Card ($169.98 @ Newegg)
Case: BitFenix Merc Alpha (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($42.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $684.87
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-02 01:26 EST-0500)
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January 2, 2013 4:34:19 AM

jonjonjon said:
he says he doesn't really game on the pc don't you think a $200 video card is a bit overkill? i think he would be better off with a 7770 and a ssd but its really up to the op.



this is my thinking. I just can't see spending quite that much on a graphics card. I am quite confident that something in the $80 to $100 range would more than satisfy my needs.

The ssd is something I didn't really consider at first because of the cost but after reading about them more, and seeing everyone's comments about them not only on this site but pretty much everywhere else, it almost seems silly not to get something at least enough for the OS and a few more of the more important apps.
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January 2, 2013 5:22:41 AM

wevie13 said:
It looks you have certainly found some cheaper options for me but I do have a few questions. Why the Intel i5? It is more expense at 3.2GHz while the AMD A10 is cheaper at 3.8GHz so is it also not faster and/or better? I have always bought AMD because of the price and have never been disappointed in them.

I not really sure about the PU. I knew that was too much, but I was thinking that more is better if I planned to add more later. Like I said, I had a Cooler Master case/PU 700W combo picked out but it as gone from NewEgg but of course that does not mean I could not find it elsewhere.

I also don't see spending that much on the graphics card. As I said, I have never been much of a PC gamer but I would like the option to do so, but if that is the price to able to do so, I think I can settle for less.

When referring to the video car add on, are you talking about the onboard or the one I chose?

You guys are right about the Blu Ray. I don't really need it so for $50 or so, I can do without it although I would like the card reader because we take a lot of pictures and I find it very convenient to be able to just put it in the PC instead of hooking the camera up.

Thanks for the input and keep it coming. I plan to spend about two more months researching before I build.



1. Stock speed doesn't really matter. The Trinity is a higher clock yes but it's not really efficiently used compared to the Intel i5. The i5 is a quad core CPU and is overall higher end than the Trinity. Here's a few benchmarks that show the i5 is a better overall CPU:

- http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/676?vs=702
- http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-trinity-a10-5800k-vs-in...

2. You don't really need 750W anymore - you can get away fine with 600W.

3. Yes you do. If you are even thinking about purchasing a PC and want to play games you will need a good GPU. That low end Radeon you picked will run games at about the equivalent of an Etch A Sketch.

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He did say "a few years from now". The SSD can come in a month.


I do agree with this. It's not really a necessity when you first get the system.
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January 2, 2013 5:58:26 AM

i think your sort of missing the point that he would like the option to play games. that doesn't mean it should be at the expense of other things. i get the impression they are not that worried if it can run the newest games on max settings. especially if they are more of a casual gamer a $100-150 card is more then enough. sure you could spend another $100 on a ssd later but spending it later still makes it a $800 computer.
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January 2, 2013 6:08:44 AM

jonjonjon said:
i think your sort of missing the point that he would like the option to play games. that doesn't mean it should be at the expense of other things. i get the impression they are not that worried if it can run the newest games on max settings. especially if they are more of a casual gamer a $100-150 card is more then enough. sure you could spend another $100 on a ssd later but spending it later still makes it a $800 computer.


I think of getting the SSD like getting the navigation system on a new car. Sure it looks pretty, gives the car some extra juice, but you could leave it off, get one later and it would still perform the exact same function as if it were built into the car. I'm recommending the Radeon 7850 - it's a great GPU for the price, it won't max out games but it gives you the option to play them at exceptional frame rates for a mid range GPU, and it will perform better than that Etch A Sketch card will.
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January 2, 2013 6:14:33 AM

i put a build together with a ssd and a 7850 just a 1GB version. small price to pay. he could also use integrated graphics and buy a $300 gpu later.
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January 2, 2013 7:59:04 AM

A usb card reader is easier to use and about the same price. You don't have to get down on you knees to insert a sd card. Don't get the 1.5 GB Seagate drive. Get the 1 GB drive instead. The newest drives have 1 GB per platter, so no .5GB. The 1GB per platter drives are faster.
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January 2, 2013 1:32:19 PM

Thanks for the input everyone. You have certainly given me some things to think about and consider.

I'm still not sure about spending that much on a graphics card but I am definitely thinking about the SSD. Surely there is something that I can buy at a cheaper price that will do better than etch-a-sketch graphics. Like I said, it's rare that I play PC games and I do not like first person shooters which to be the most demanding of hardware.

Why 1TB instead of 1.5? Are multiple platters not as good?
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January 2, 2013 3:52:04 PM

i wouldn't worry about it just get the drive drive that has the best Price/GB. especially if you are getting a ssd and the hdd is just a storage drive. as long as every other review doesn't say DOA. and stay away from Hitachi.

and look into a 7770 they are $100 and i have the feeling it will be sufficient for you.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...
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January 2, 2013 3:54:30 PM

wevie13 said:
Thanks for the input everyone. You have certainly given me some things to think about and consider.

I'm still not sure about spending that much on a graphics card but I am definitely thinking about the SSD. Surely there is something that I can buy at a cheaper price that will do better than etch-a-sketch graphics. Like I said, it's rare that I play PC games and I do not like first person shooters which to be the most demanding of hardware.

Why 1TB instead of 1.5? Are multiple platters not as good?


They both have 1TB platters.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5034/seagate-introduces-new-1tbperplatter-barracuda-solid-state-hybrid-version-coming
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January 8, 2013 11:17:43 PM

Best answer selected by wevie13.
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