Windoze XP can now read RAW files!

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Except it's typical Bloatware weighing in a 47 MB zipped. Many similar
plugins are 4.7 MB. And it doesn't support anything but Canon and Nikon. So
apparently, Olympus, Fuji, Minolta and Pentax et al don't exist in Mr.
Bill's neighbourhood...



"Bob" <FlintsTone@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:r7apb11sph7m79uoal8l29b5v9b6og3lt7@4ax.com...
>
> Microsoft has released it's RAW viewer software to patch XP SP2 to read
> both NEF
> files and Canon raw files, 4 different types actually...
>
> It's a 6 meg download if you have ,net 1.1 installed (needed for Norton
> Ghost
> among other things) or a 28 meg if you don't...
>
> Once installed it gives thums in the thumbnail view, but won't do
> filmstrip...
>
> The nice thing is, the popup when you put your mouse over the image gives
> you
> all the EXIF data, including the ISO!
>
> I love it! Finally MS did something useful!
>
> Double-clicking the image will bring it up in a Microsoft viewer, if you
> have
> Nikon View, you have to kill the shortcut to NKVMON.EXE in the STARTUP or
> it
> will 'steal' back the NEF from Windoze. If you don't want to use MS
> viewer,
> don't delete it...
>
> Now to go look at all my NEF's!!
>
>
>
> Oh yeah - you can get a link from the Photo Review site...
>
> http://www.dpreview.com/news/0506/ [...] wthumb.asp
>
>

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"Stacey" <fotocord@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3i42k4Fjrfb6U1@individual.net...
> Darrell wrote:
>
> >
> > So apparently, Olympus, Fuji, Minolta and Pentax et al don't exist in
Mr.
> > Bill's neighbourhood...
> >
>
> They probably failed to pay their MS tax?
>
> I wonder why anyone would need/want a viewer outside of a RAW developer
> anyway? Like what are you going to do once you find the RAW file you want?
> Open a RAW developer...
>

Yep, what the hell were they thinking? It's not even worth downloading.

Greg

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On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 23:50:28 -0400, Stacey <fotocord@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Darrell wrote:
>
>>
>> So apparently, Olympus, Fuji, Minolta and Pentax et al don't exist in Mr.
>> Bill's neighbourhood...
>>
>
>They probably failed to pay their MS tax?
>
>I wonder why anyone would need/want a viewer outside of a RAW developer
>anyway? Like what are you going to do once you find the RAW file you want?

That's why I wanted this patch - to see the RAW files when browsing around in
Windose... I hated to just see a little blank box among the jpeg thums. As for
MS viewer, I probably won't use it! Anyone actually use MS photo ware??


>Open a RAW developer...

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Bob wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:28:14 -0600, "Sheldon" <sheldon@XXXXXXXXsopris.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>"Bob" <FlintsTone@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>news:r7apb11sph7m79uoal8l29b5v9b6og3lt7@4ax.com...
>>
>>>Microsoft has released it's RAW viewer software to patch XP SP2 to read
>>>both NEF
>>>files and Canon raw files, 4 different types actually...
>>>
>>>It's a 6 meg download if you have ,net 1.1 installed (needed for Norton
>>>Ghost
>>>among other things) or a 28 meg if you don't...
>>>
>>>Once installed it gives thums in the thumbnail view, but won't do
>>>filmstrip...
>>>
>>>The nice thing is, the popup when you put your mouse over the image gives
>>>you
>>>all the EXIF data, including the ISO!
>>>
>>>I love it! Finally MS did something useful!
>>>
>>>Double-clicking the image will bring it up in a Microsoft viewer, if you
>>>have
>>>Nikon View, you have to kill the shortcut to NKVMON.EXE in the STARTUP or
>>>it
>>>will 'steal' back the NEF from Windoze. If you don't want to use MS
>>>viewer,
>>>don't delete it...
>>>
>>>Now to go look at all my NEF's!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Oh yeah - you can get a link from the Photo Review site...
>>>
>>>http://www.dpreview.com/news/0506/05061501msrawthumb.asp
>>
>>Nikon has had a patch for XP for a long time. I've been viewing NEF's in
>>thumbnails since I got my D70. The "updater" is only 607KB!
>>
>>>
>
> Really? I wish they had told me about it, I'm always going to MS update but it
> never seems to find anything...
>
Windows XP update here:
http://tinyurl.com/cqwex

You need to have installed Picture Project or Nikon Capture etc for it
to work.

Also, use "Tweak UI" from Powertools for windows XP to adjust
size/quality of all thumbnails displayed.

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"Bob" <FlintsTone@nospam.com> wrote in message
>
> That's why I wanted this patch - to see the RAW files when browsing around
> in
> Windose... I hated to just see a little blank box among the jpeg thums...>



Try DP Magic http://www.dpmagic.com/ it will enable the viewing of most
(all?) RAW file thumbnails

(remember to set your folder view to 'thumbnails)

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Darrell wrote:
[]
> I use Cerious Software's "Thumbs Plus" with their RAW plugin. I find
> it useful to view thumbnails of my files. The 47 MB for M$ is
> bloatware. I wonder how big it would be if it supported more cameras
>

Someone said the actual download was only a few MB. Supporting extra
cameras should not make it significantly bigger.

The extra was for .NET if you didn't already have the required version of
..NET, and that's just a once-off download.

David

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"Ina Bechhoefer" <ibechhoefer@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> There is a serious problem with the Microsoft RAW viewer. You cannot
> delete, move or rename TIFF files. I personally had a serious problem with
> this after installing the viewer. Once I removed the viewer, I was again
> able to perform these functions. I notice that several "Boards" have
> documented this problem, e.g., www.dpreview.com .
>
> I have deleted the viewer and all is back to normal again.
>



Explain further. I just cut, copy, pasted and deleted with the RAW viewer
installed. Under what circumstances does this fail?

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birdman wrote:
> The real problem is that you have to install the Microsoft NET
> framework. This is Microsoft's answer to Java. The bottom line is
> that the NET framework, which is not needed except for special
> applications, can slow computer boot times and opertating times
> significantly. If you think your computer is not acting properly
> after installing this applet you are correct and both the viewer and
> the NET framework have to be uninstalled through Control Panel.

And while it was installed, it was painfully slow, even for viewing
JPEGs. A waste of time and energy, at this point. Couple years down
the road, M$oft will absorb some enterprising programmer's quick and
small appliance and be worthwhile in this regard. Isn't that the way
it works?

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"Bob" <FlintsTone@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:r7apb11sph7m79uoal8l29b5v9b6og3lt7@4ax.com...
>
> Microsoft has released it's RAW viewer software to patch XP SP2 to read both
> NEF
> files and Canon raw files, 4 different types actually...
>
> It's a 6 meg download if you have ,net 1.1 installed (needed for Norton
> Ghost
> among other things) or a 28 meg if you don't...
>
> Once installed it gives thums in the thumbnail view, but won't do
> filmstrip...
>
> The nice thing is, the popup when you put your mouse over the image gives
> you
> all the EXIF data, including the ISO!
>
> I love it! Finally MS did something useful!
>
> Double-clicking the image will bring it up in a Microsoft viewer, if you
> have
> Nikon View, you have to kill the shortcut to NKVMON.EXE in the STARTUP or it
> will 'steal' back the NEF from Windoze. If you don't want to use MS viewer,
> don't delete it...
>
> Now to go look at all my NEF's!!
>
>
>
> Oh yeah - you can get a link from the Photo Review site...
>
> http://www.dpreview.com/news/0506/ [...] wthumb.asp
>
>

I get it! Misspelling "Windows" is supposed to be cute/funny--in a third
grade sort of way. Did it take you a long time to think that up, or are you
always so amusing?

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birdman wrote:

> The real problem is that you have to install the Microsoft NET framework.
> This is Microsoft's answer to Java. The bottom line is that the NET
> framework, which is not needed except for special applications, can slow
> computer boot times and opertating times significantly. If you think your
> computer is not acting properly after installing this applet you are
> correct and both the viewer and the NET framework have to be uninstalled
> through Control Panel.


Actually you just need to buy a new machine to process this new bloatware..
Why use java when you can develop something that increases new computer
sales?
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To be even MORE specific, I am running Windows XP Pro SP2.

Ina


"Ina Bechhoefer" <ibechhoefer@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>I tried to be specific. I could not move, rename, or delete any TIFF
>(.TIF) files. Once I uninstalled the RAW viewer, I was again able to do
>these tasks.
>
> Ina
>
> "Robert R Kircher, Jr." <rrkircher@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> newscGdnYIWEvQv4yDfRVn-1A@giganews.com...
>> "Ina Bechhoefer" <ibechhoefer@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:3i5bl0Fk29k8U1@individual.net...
>>> There is a serious problem with the Microsoft RAW viewer. You cannot
>>> delete, move or rename TIFF files. I personally had a serious problem
>>> with this after installing the viewer. Once I removed the viewer, I was
>>> again able to perform these functions. I notice that several "Boards"
>>> have documented this problem, e.g., www.dpreview.com .
>>>
>>> I have deleted the viewer and all is back to normal again.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Explain further. I just cut, copy, pasted and deleted with the RAW
>> viewer installed. Under what circumstances does this fail?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

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"Frank ess" <frank@fshe2fs.com> wrote in message
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> Juan wrote:
>>
>> I get it! Misspelling "Windows" is supposed to be cute/funny--in a
>> third grade sort of way. Did it take you a long time to think that
>> up, or are you always so amusing?
>
> I don't get it.
>
> How does someone's cute humor injure anyone to the degree he must respond
> with vitriol?
He was the guy at MicroSoft who came up with the name Windows

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On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 01:40:51 -0400, Stacey <fotocord@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Bob wrote:
>
>>>I wonder why anyone would need/want a viewer outside of a RAW developer
>>>anyway? Like what are you going to do once you find the RAW file you want?
>>
>> That's why I wanted this patch - to see the RAW files when browsing around
>> in
>> Windose...
>
>But isn't that just going to slow down the system having to deal with that
>action? Sounds like more bloat that will require another hardware upgrade
>just to use windows explorer! :-)

Doesn't seem to be any slower, once the thums are read... similar to large TIFs
being read I guess... The biggest slowdown for your system is the damn web! The
computer I do useful work on has no Internet connection...

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On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:10:49 GMT, "birdman" <apquilts@pacbell.net> wrote:

>The real problem is that you have to install the Microsoft NET framework.
>This is Microsoft's answer to Java. The bottom line is that the NET
>framework, which is not needed except for special applications, can slow
>computer boot times and opertating times significantly. If you think your
>computer is not acting properly after installing this applet you are correct
>and both the viewer and the NET framework have to be uninstalled through
>Control Panel.
>

I already had the net framework - Norton Ghost uses it...

But my machine certainly is slow!

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Juan wrote:
> "Darrell" <spam@this.eh> wrote in message
> news:Io-dnVb26cPrRyDfRVn-tg@rogers.com...
>>
>> "Frank ess" <frank@fshe2fs.com> wrote in message
>> news:KeCdnb5FErgZCyDfRVn-oQ@giganews.com...
>>> Juan wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I get it! Misspelling "Windows" is supposed to be cute/funny--in
>>>> a
>>>> third grade sort of way. Did it take you a long time to think
>>>> that
>>>> up, or are you always so amusing?
>>>
>>> I don't get it.
>>>
>>> How does someone's cute humor injure anyone to the degree he must
>>> respond with vitriol?
>> He was the guy at MicroSoft who came up with the name Windows
>>
>>
>>
>
> No, he's the guy who doesn't suffer fools.

But he does suffer. Pobrecito.

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Bob <FlintsTone@nospam.com> wrote:

>
>Microsoft has released it's RAW viewer software to patch XP SP2 to read both NEF
>files and Canon raw files, 4 different types actually...

It seems to work very nicely and has an open with photoshop option.

Microsoft also has a nice addin that adds a resize option to the menu
when you right-click on a picture.

Check out
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp [...] rtoys.mspx

There are a number of other useful tools there.

Scott Peterson

--
The light at the end of the tunnel
may be nothing more than an idiot
with a match."

393/619

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Bob wrote:


>
> But my machine certainly is slow!

That's what I can't understand, why the OS itself must drag a system to it's
knees with all this bloatware that must be running before an application is
even opened up.

--

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Darrell wrote:
[]
> This is the way Microsoft works. The reason we have huge harddrives
> and Pentium 4 class machines is to get a bit of performance out of
> WinDoze and the other bloatware.

Windows is not alone in requiring significant resources. And if you are
satisfied with the performance and facilities of earlier versions of
Windows, you may continue to use them. There's plenty of choice as to
which bits of Windows you enable to best suit your own needs.

What Windows /has/ done is to take away the dozens and dozens of driver
disks that we used to need - different drivers for WordStar, drivers for
SuperCalc and so on. It has also meant that you can have one platofrm to
run most of your software - you don't need DOS for this program, OS/2 for
that program, CP/M or GEM for another.

However, I think if you look at the huge harddrives today they are either
near empty, or filled with user data rather than software, and today's
CPUs aren't straining against the limits any more. If they /are/, then
likely it's application software doing some complex image processing.

If Windows can help bring some standard to the multiplicity of raw file
formats, all the better. (Or will it be DNG, or OpenRAW - so many
"standards to choose from!).

David

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Juan wrote:

> No, he's the guy who doesn't suffer fools.

Well, you're wearing the hat now.

Windoze and Windohs are standard nomenclature even amongst those (such
as me) who prefer windohs over Mac OS and Linux.



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"Did you build that one?" the rabbit asked.
"No, but it was based on an idea of mine," the beaver replied.
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Jer wrote:

> ...or even Winders.

How about whine-doh's !



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In message <3ihhm2Flh29bU3@individual.net>,
Stacey <fotocord@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Bob wrote:

>> I wish I had a list of what I could safely kill off in the background...
>> ctrl/alt/del brings up a list of 63 running tasks, and all I'm doing is
>> the news Agent...

>Wow! I just checked my win2K machine and there are less than 20 running. No
>wonder your machine seems slow!

Tasks or processes? I have 36 processes, but tasks are only 4, and they
happen to be the 4 programs I have explicitly opened.

Anyway, whether or not a task or process slows down the machine is
highly variable. There is a wide range between well-behaved and rude.
One task could slow the system to a crawl, or 100 could have no
noticeable effect.
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Stacey wrote:
> JPS@no.komm wrote:
>
>
>>In message <3ihhm2Flh29bU3@individual.net>,
>>Stacey <fotocord@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Bob wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>>I wish I had a list of what I could safely kill off in the background...
>>>>ctrl/alt/del brings up a list of 63 running tasks, and all I'm doing is
>>>>the news Agent...
>>
>>>Wow! I just checked my win2K machine and there are less than 20 running.
>>>No wonder your machine seems slow!
>>
>>Tasks or processes?
>
>
> Processes, there are 18 running with no apps opened and no apps are opened
> unless I start them! :-)
>
>
>>I have 36 processes, but tasks are only 4, and they
>>happen to be the 4 programs I have explicitly opened.
>>
>>Anyway, whether or not a task or process slows down the machine is
>>highly variable.
>
>
> They all consume RAM which isn't a good thing.
>
>
>
Don't fight the force, Stacey... Add more RAM until what they consume is
insignificant.

Douglas

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Darrell wrote:
> Except it's typical Bloatware weighing in a 47 MB zipped. Many similar
> plugins are 4.7 MB. And it doesn't support anything but Canon and Nikon. So
> apparently, Olympus, Fuji, Minolta and Pentax et al don't exist in Mr.
> Bill's neighbourhood...

Obviously selective reading... the Microsoft page states clearly:

Full version: Download the software to your personal computer and
double-click on 'RAWViewerSetup' to install. Follow the instructions on
your screen. (Note that after running 'RAWViewerSetup' it may take
several minutes for the PowerToy setup screen to appear if the .NET
Framework must be installed on your system. Please be patient.

Lite version: Verify that version 1.1 of the .NET Framework is already
installed on your system. Then download the software to your personal
computer and double-click 'RAWViewerSetupLite' to install. Follow the
instructions on your screen.

In other words, you only need the 47MB download if you don't already
have .NET Framework 1.1 installed; otherwise you only need the 6MB
download. The other 41MB is the .NET installation (which may be
required for other programs later anyway, so you'll probably end up
downloading it eventually).



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