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January 3, 2013 2:06:23 PM

Hi there co-hardware fanatics,

After having allot of fun using my Asus p5w DH Deluxe mobo + E6600 duo core, it was time to take them to the graveyard.

Current Setup:
Asus p5w DH deluxe
CPU E6600 duo core
PSU: Zalmann 600WATT
Ram: GEIL 8gb dual-channel
Me as a noob, been looking at some new hardware for a good fundament (in my opinion)
ASrock Z77 Xtreme 4
Intel i5 3570K
RAM: Corsair vengeance 2x4GB dual-channel

Taking parts from my old setup
GTX550TI 1.5GB P.O.V
PSU:Zalmann 600WATT
HDD: WD 320GB (I think)

Busy with saving for a new GFX card. Id be glad to hear your guys oppinion over this build that I have in mind. And if I can get higher FPS than 30 within BF3 with the new fundament, mobo/cpu/ram combined with my old GPU and HDD.

Looking forward to your feedback, thanks in advance



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a b B Homebuilt system
January 3, 2013 2:45:29 PM

yes you will see an increase in FPS with just upgrading the platform (cpu/mother/RAM) though not nearly as much when upgrading the graphics card. i have been trying to find an article i read with some good benchmarks showing an older C2D getting 60% of the fps of an i5 with a 7970 - but i didn't bookmark it and can't find it ATM :p 

what zalmann PSU is that? of the three reviews i found for their 600 watt models, two were good but one was very "less than desirable"

though you really won't be adding much more wattage, except when you overclock that i5 (btw, you getting a cooler for that?); it may be time to put that zalmann in the "retirement box". no sense in spending several hundred dollars and skimp out w/o buying a $60 PSU to be safe. (btw, i looked @ your mobo you have now, that PSU does have an 8 pin ATX power connection? the mobo you have uses a 4 not 8)

but overall that is the most recommended/suggested build here on this forum . . .
January 4, 2013 5:31:05 AM

Hi Looniam, thank you for your feedback.

Great to hear that I will see a fps increase with upgrading only my mobo,cpu and ram. I am aware that I will need a new GFX card, saving money for this. I thought it would be alot better to build a new fundament as ''mobo,cpu and ram'' So I can start building on this fundament for the term. I know this c2d is very overclockable, the gear is abit old about 4 to 5 years so overclocking isnt that stable as I hoped it would be, thats why my choice goes for this new fundament of mobo/cpu/ram.

I've got the better PSU. Psu will be heading towards the graveyard also when Im having the correct budget to do so. As it is right now, I am not yet keen to o'c that 3570k, as it's not nessasary yet (in my oppinion)

I think my PSU has an 8pin ATX connection, only the 4 pin is plugged in now indeed. Most of the time the new mobo's use an 8 pin, the 4 pin will fit in, I've asked on another forum, it won't bottleneck OCing (if 600WATT doesnt bottleneck it) in the future with the 4 pin connector, but I think it has an 8pin connection ability also.

Yes Looniam, I've done my homework, just as I did this 4 to 5 years ago with the old build of me. Had great fun with it :-)

I know that other people suggest another motherboard also, like an m-ATX board, to lower the price. As I am not keen on getting GPU in SLI/crossfire, it might be a better choice (pricewise) to go for an mini-atx board?

Thanks in advance already.

Best regards
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January 4, 2013 5:39:38 AM

By the way, my friend told me I should go for a Mini ATX board, the M-D3H?
He told me that it wont really decrease performance anymore, as the board are getting better.
a b B Homebuilt system
January 4, 2013 8:32:19 AM

there is nothing wrong with a mini ATX board if your fingers are nimlble enogh to work in them; mine are a bit stubby. though i believe you will find more power phases (VRMs) on a full sized ATX board. those will help attain a higher and more stable overclock.

you can see the difference looking at the pics of a gygabyte Z77-d3h and a z77m-d3h
those little black boxes by the cpu socket are the chokes for the phases; more chokes, more phases. but i can't say it a decrease in performance.
January 4, 2013 10:10:27 AM

Oke, thanks for the explaination.

Would you recommend an 3570K to me? or is there another great I5 for a better price/kwality, so I can pump in the money I save in a better gpu.
January 4, 2013 12:44:07 PM

Allright, for now I've got this spec:
CPU: 3350P €154
MOBO: ASRock B75 Pro3-M €60
RAM: Corsair vengeance 2x4GB @1600MHZ €34

Total package: €248

I know this build can't O'C as the 3570k build I've posted earlier, but as I'm not so keen in OC'ing, I might think this new build for 248 euro's might be the best bang for buck choice I have.

Besides this, I have a new GPU in mind:
Club3D Radeon HD 7870 XT JokerCard (Tahiti LE) €213 euro's

This GFX card comes out pretty good in benchmarks @ BF3. BIG fps...

Curious in your opinion!
a b B Homebuilt system
January 4, 2013 4:31:46 PM

i see that lately people have been eating up those 3350Ps like they're extacy at a rave. i really haven't seen any reviews of them though i suspect they are a good budget i5. if you don't need/want the intel graphics for qucik sync to video encode, for uploading to you tube then go for it. the best non K alternative i have seen is the 3470s.

as long as you only need 1 PCI x16 slot for a graphics card and 1 SATA 6Gbs port for an SSD there is nothing wrong with a B75 motherboard for the budget minded gamer.

now THAT joker card . .really phenomenal! i have seen some crazy high benchmarks for that card and have gotten into a lot of arguments with people who say a 7870 can beat a GTX 660ti/670 . .of course they can't BUT THAT card can.

you got something there and it will game rather well at high settings. btw, i saw your other thread where some morons where bad mouthing your 550ti. i had a i3-2120 and the 550ti that is now my physX card (because i haven't sold it or given it away yet) i played BF3 single player at medium settings and ran ~45 fps with some dips in the mid 30s. wasn't that bad at all, not all that great but far from bad . . .

January 5, 2013 3:49:44 AM

Looniam, thank you again for replying.

With all those diffrent i5 processors on the market, it is really hard for a person that has been out of the 'hardware game' for a while, to make a good decision. Price/quality wise and some bit of future proofness :-)

I will need atleast 1 pci x16 yes. 1 Sata slot, does this mean that if I want to put my old HDD WD baracuda 320gb on SATA, an SSD can't get in anymore? Otherwise I might have to go for a 2x SATA connector.

Because this ASROCK b75 mbo tells me in the ''details'' that it has 2 sata connections

Wich ofcourse is nice, as price/quality (I guess)

That Joker card, Looniam I can tell you, I am amazed. In my current budget a new gfx card, just doesn't fit in (unfortunatly). That was the reason why I was hammering with questions if this new CPU / RAM would boost my GTX550TI for a little, just for the meanwhile im saving money for a new gfx card:-) but still can enjoy gaming with a slight improvement of FPS in bf3. I am already playing BF3 with ''alright fps'' 25 to 30, I find the game so much fun that I just play 1 map that doesnt ask so much power ''Canals'' haha :) 

Anyways, the gtx550ti is an allright gpu. My cpu is comeplete bottleneck in BF3, when I OC my cpu to 3.2ghz (stock 2.4) I can see a tremendous FPS increase, not very stable as a system. I just get a bluescreen after 30 minutes of stressing the cpu oced. Has to do with my cooling, that proves that the gtx550ti can handle allot with a better cpu (in my opinion)

Good to hear that you have had a 550ti also, with decent fps. Ill run a FPS check right now on MP BF3, ill post a screenshot here :) 

Cheers mate, thnx again for the advice.

January 5, 2013 4:11:36 AM

I just checked BF3 again, did some software downgrades on the nvidia driver. Now i have 35fps, lowest 15fps :p  sometimes it drops..
a b B Homebuilt system
January 5, 2013 6:47:38 AM

usually a B75 motherboard has 1 sata 6Gbs and 3 sata 3Gbs. - the 6 Gbs is what would be better for an SSD but looking at the specs on the asrock site:
- 5 x SATA2 3.0 Gb/s connectors, support NCQ, AHCI and Hot Plug functions
- 3 x SATA3 6.0 Gb/s connectors

though the sata 6Gbs:
- 1 x SATA3 6.0 Gb/s connector by Intel® B75, supports NCQ, AHCI and Hot Plug functions
- 2 x SATA3 6.0 Gb/s connectors by ASMedia ASM1061, support NCQ, AHCI and Hot Plug functions

the first one by Intel® B75 is the port you can connect an SSD to install an OS to, the other 2 by ASMedia ASM1061 are not supported to boot from. the motherboard is fine, i just thought to point out everything so you know exactly what you will get.

and you will get a much lower fps with the E6600 then what i got with an i3-2120. if you are still running @ stock speed of 2.4 Ghz, wow that is slow for gaming anymore (seems like 3.0Ghz is the start of happiness) i don't know if you can expect to get 30% more with an i5 but i would not be overly surprised.

i looked on that site you linked for the B75 and seen this when you look for a PSU to replace that zalmann:

it is 50 watts less than what you have but it is made by seasonic; one of the best PSU makers today. just a suggeston if you want to think about it.

January 5, 2013 8:14:06 AM

Thanks again Looniam!

The zalman is just about fine, ZW600watt, one of the best psu's still there:p 

Now its the question when im buying the setup :)  Thnx for all ur help!