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November 21, 2012 4:50:22 PM

Hello dear Toms community,

I've just purchased a Dell U2713HM monitor (2560x1440) and will probably need a new graphics card. I currently have a 560ti 1GB. At the moment, I am wondering if I should purchase a stock 7970 for 330$ http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=16950BD4163&v...
or a 7950 with aftermarket cooling for 270$ http://ncix.ca/products/?sku=70088&vpn=R7950%20Twin%20F.... I have a very silent system at the moment and don't want too much extra noise.

Or... should I wait for ATI 8000 or Nvidia 700 series and tough it out in the meantime ?

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: This week, budget 250-350, after rebates.

USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming > browsing > video editing = movies = Word / spreadsheets

CURRENT GPU AND POWER SUPPLY: stock 560ti 1GB with Seasonic X760 (760W) PS. I never use AA in games since I barely notice the difference (bad eyesight) but do notice the difference in FPS.

OTHER RELEVANT SYSTEM SPECS: 500R case, decent cooling setup, MSI GD65-Gen3 MOBO, 2500k @ 4.4GHZ.

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: none, but in Canada (directcanada, ncix, newegg, canadacomputers)

PARTS PREFERENCES: none, but ATI seems to have the best value for the money at the moment

OVERCLOCKING: Maybe, CLI / crossfire : no

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 2560x1440

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: I mostly play MMORPGS (SWTOR, GW2, etc), RPGs (thinking of getting Borderlands 2, Skyrim) and Strategy games (SC2, Civ5, etc).

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November 21, 2012 5:20:23 PM

Save a little extra and get something like this ==> HIS w/rebate. Or perhaps Sapphire.
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November 21, 2012 6:03:01 PM

Dersid said:
Hello dear Toms community,

I've just purchased a Dell U2713HM monitor (2560x1440) and will probably need a new graphics card. I currently have a 560ti 1GB. At the moment, I am wondering if I should purchase a stock 7970 for 330$ http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=16950BD4163&v...
or a 7950 with aftermarket cooling for 270$ http://ncix.ca/products/?sku=70088&vpn=R7950%20Twin%20F.... I have a very silent system at the moment and don't want too much extra noise.

Or... should I wait for ATI 8000 or Nvidia 700 series and tough it out in the meantime ?

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: This week, budget 250-350, after rebates.

USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming > browsing > video editing = movies = Word / spreadsheets

CURRENT GPU AND POWER SUPPLY: stock 560ti 1GB with Seasonic X760 (760W) PS. I never use AA in games since I barely notice the difference (bad eyesight) but do notice the difference in FPS.

OTHER RELEVANT SYSTEM SPECS: 500R case, decent cooling setup, MSI GD65-Gen3 MOBO, 2500k @ 4.4GHZ.

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: none, but in Canada (directcanada, ncix, newegg, canadacomputers)

PARTS PREFERENCES: none, but ATI seems to have the best value for the money at the moment

OVERCLOCKING: Maybe, CLI / crossfire : no

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 2560x1440

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: I mostly play MMORPGS (SWTOR, GW2, etc), RPGs (thinking of getting Borderlands 2, Skyrim) and Strategy games (SC2, Civ5, etc).


I would wait for AMD 8000 series, it will be launched in Q1 of 2013, it would be stupid to begin buying AMD right now.
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November 21, 2012 6:10:04 PM

lostgamer_03 said:
I would wait for AMD 8000 series, it will be launched in Q1 of 2013, it would be stupid to begin buying AMD right now.


No it wouldn't lol.

@OP
I would suggest getting a 7970 and overclocking it. When overclocked, it beats out the 680. I would not get the 670 because there is no room to overclock.
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November 21, 2012 6:36:30 PM

samuelspark said:
No it wouldn't lol.

@OP
I would suggest getting a 7970 and overclocking it. When overclocked, it beats out the 680. I would not get the 670 because there is no room to overclock.


You Again? And you just keep on putting up with the very same thing on all posts.... You're ignorant, I won't even argue with you, because you only have one opinion, and everyone else is mistaking.

I see the onl thing you favor is AMD, and I'm not even on the Nvidia side now. You surly own the AMD 7970 and think it's the best thing ever.

And why shouldn't he wait? 8000 series is just around the corner it will blow away your 7970.
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November 21, 2012 7:31:50 PM

lostgamer_03 said:
You Again? And you just keep on putting up with the very same thing on all posts.... You're ignorant, I won't even argue with you, because you only have one opinion, and everyone else is mistaking.

I see the onl thing you favor is AMD, and I'm not even on the Nvidia side now. You surly own the AMD 7970 and think it's the best thing ever.

And why shouldn't he wait? 8000 series is just around the corner it will blow away your 7970.


Show me where it says the release date of the 8XXX series. I have an old 6850. Look at my user configuration. I've been here much longer than you have and have reason to believe that I'm correct.

Besides, not everyone wants to wait 6 months for a new graphics card. If you based it on that logic, you would never buy a new card and keep waiting. Go ask any of the high ranks on these forums, Addict+, they'll share a similar opinion. I don't have anything against nVidia. In this current generation, they doomed themselves by locking overclocking and limiting bandwidth.
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November 21, 2012 8:05:13 PM

samuelspark said:
Show me where it says the release date of the 8XXX series. I have an old 6850. Look at my user configuration. I've been here much longer than you have and have reason to believe that I'm correct.

Besides, not everyone wants to wait 6 months for a new graphics card. If you based it on that logic, you would never buy a new card and keep waiting. Go ask any of the high ranks on these forums, Addict+, they'll share a similar opinion. I don't have anything against nVidia. In this current generation, they doomed themselves by locking overclocking and limiting bandwidth.


Just because you been here longer, does not mean you're any smarter or have more experience. It's always best buying a GPU not far from the launch day to get the most out of it. The 7970 has been around for almost a year, which Means that they will be launching the new flagship soon. The 7970 got launched this year the 9th January. "Wait 6 months", bla bla bla - that is all I hear, keep on going with lies, it makes the "addicts" proud - Not.

You also seem to base your knowledge on other people that is in her, that has the title "addict" or better. Do you know how easy it is to get that title? My 6 year old Brother could do it, without even knowing anything. What if all the addicts were like you, and has gotten their knowledge from other addicts, which has their knowledge from other addicts, which has the knowledge from you? Then everyone would be ignorant and wouldn't have a clue, of what they talk about.

Again, you don't know what you're talking about, you can overclock this generation of Nvidia Cards. http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_680_ov... and here is the Card, that you say can't overclock, it might no be a high overclock, but sure as hell is an overclock http://www.pureoverclock.com/Review-detail/msi-gtx-670-... . Impressive huh? Who told you that they can't overclock, the other smart addicts?

And mate, read this http://www.playtool.com/pages/vramwidth/width.html , it will help you understand the bandwidth because bandwidth isn't all. The radeon 7950 has 384-bit bandwidth but has very low clock speeds compared to the bandwidth which will make a bottleneck, same thing will a GPU with high clock speeds and very low bandwidth. And please don't tell me to overclock it, I don't want you to say it once more.

I think I solved the problem here. Bye, bye.
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November 21, 2012 8:16:08 PM

samuelspark said:

Besides, not everyone wants to wait 6 months for a new graphics card. If you based it on that logic, you would never buy a new card and keep waiting.


Um.. no? You should buy a new graphics card after they release new models. Why? Because the old models will drop in price, and the newer models will be.. new. Meaning that your GPU won't be outdated as fast. It's just stupid to buy a current model GPU when the new ones are just around the corner.
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November 21, 2012 8:21:15 PM

lostgamer_03 said:
Just because you been here longer, does not mean you're any smarter or have more experience. It's always best buying a GPU not far from the launch day to get the most out of it. The 7970 has been around for almost a year, which Means that they will be launching the new flagship soon. The 7970 got launched this year the 9th January. "Wait 6 months", bla bla bla - that is all I hear, keep on going with lies, it makes the "addicts" proud - Not.

You also seem to base your knowledge on other people that is in her, that has the title "addict" or better. Do you know how easy it is to get that title? My 6 year old Brother could do it, without even knowing anything. What if all the addicts were like you, and has gotten their knowledge from other addicts, which has their knowledge from other addicts, which has the knowledge from you? Then everyone would be ignorant and wouldn't have a clue, of what they talk about.

Again, you don't know what you're talking about, you can overclock this generation of Nvidia Cards. http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_680_ov... and here is the Card, that you say can't overclock, it might no be a high overclock, but sure as hell is an overclock http://www.pureoverclock.com/Review-detail/msi-gtx-670-... . Impressive huh? Who told you that they can't overclock, the other smart addicts?

And mate, read this http://www.playtool.com/pages/vramwidth/width.html , it will help you understand the bandwidth because bandwidth isn't all. The radeon 7950 has 384-bit bandwidth but has very low clock speeds compared to the bandwidth which will make a bottleneck, same thing will a GPU with high clock speeds and very low bandwidth. And please don't tell me to overclock it, I don't want you to say it once more.

I think I solved the problem here. Bye, bye.

Not sure if you know this or not but that info you posted is irrelevant now because Nvidia forced MSI to re-lock the overvolting on the power edition boards.
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November 21, 2012 9:02:52 PM

lostgamer_03 said:
Just because you been here longer, does not mean you're any smarter or have more experience. It's always best buying a GPU not far from the launch day to get the most out of it. The 7970 has been around for almost a year, which Means that they will be launching the new flagship soon. The 7970 got launched this year the 9th January. "Wait 6 months", bla bla bla - that is all I hear, keep on going with lies, it makes the "addicts" proud - Not.

You also seem to base your knowledge on other people that is in her, that has the title "addict" or better. Do you know how easy it is to get that title? My 6 year old Brother could do it, without even knowing anything. What if all the addicts were like you, and has gotten their knowledge from other addicts, which has their knowledge from other addicts, which has the knowledge from you? Then everyone would be ignorant and wouldn't have a clue, of what they talk about.

Again, you don't know what you're talking about, you can overclock this generation of Nvidia Cards. http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_680_ov... and here is the Card, that you say can't overclock, it might no be a high overclock, but sure as hell is an overclock http://www.pureoverclock.com/Review-detail/msi-gtx-670-... . Impressive huh? Who told you that they can't overclock, the other smart addicts?

And mate, read this http://www.playtool.com/pages/vramwidth/width.html , it will help you understand the bandwidth because bandwidth isn't all. The radeon 7950 has 384-bit bandwidth but has very low clock speeds compared to the bandwidth which will make a bottleneck, same thing will a GPU with high clock speeds and very low bandwidth. And please don't tell me to overclock it, I don't want you to say it once more.

I think I solved the problem here. Bye, bye.


192bit bandwidth causes issues for a $300 graphics card. Bottlenceks it too much for it to really be worth $300. Someone sounds mad. Being a higher rank generally means you have more experience. It's like experience comes with age.
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November 21, 2012 9:03:43 PM

gamingboy said:
Um.. no? You should buy a new graphics card after they release new models. Why? Because the old models will drop in price, and the newer models will be.. new. Meaning that your GPU won't be outdated as fast. It's just stupid to buy a current model GPU when the new ones are just around the corner.


But they're not. And no one buys older tech when the new one comes out. You still people recommending 560 ti's around here? I don't think so.
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November 21, 2012 9:19:08 PM

lostgamer_03 said:
I would wait for AMD 8000 series, it will be launched in Q1 of 2013, it would be stupid to begin buying AMD right now.


Did you read the OP?

Quote:
Hello dear Toms community,

I've just purchased a Dell U2713HM monitor (2560x1440)...


He just bought a hi-res monitor ---> 2560 x 1440. Are you suggesting he wait to use it and wait 5-6 months for new cards to be released?

I say get a 7970...
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November 21, 2012 9:23:20 PM

Bare clock speeds are irrelevant, we are no longer in 2000s. What matters is the architecture. AMD's cards can or cannot out perform their Nvidia counterparts, irrelevant to their clock speeds. Many people argue that AMD's cards offer higher FPS per Mhz but i won't debate on that. At last, this is more relevant to the selection of games. I'd prefer a higher memory bandwidth to a higher clock speed.

@ OP: Frankly, at that resolution, games will require a good GPU. You must not expect to get away with a cheap GPU and expect to get silky frames. You have some choices here. Firstly, please take a look at the comparison here:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/618?vs=586&i=468...

There, is the comparison between AMD 7970 Ghz edition and Nvidia's GTX 690. GTX 690 is the best GPU for those and higher resolutions but for a high price. I guess you do not want to pay so much for a GTX 690. Now please take a look at this:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7970-ghz-...

At 25x14 resolution, HD 7970 Ghz edition card gets generally better FPS than a GTX 680. With the latest driver optimizations, both cards can get higher FPS, though.

Secondly, at that resolution, some newer games will push your card to its limits. You may get low FPS in some titles, if you don't pull down some detail levels/effects. At that res., cooling is important, as well as high memory amount and higher bandwidth. In my opinion a Ghz edition hd 7970 with a nice cooler won't be a bad choice, especially for an overclocker. Maybe something similar to this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Also 8xxx series AMD cards might be at the door but they will undoubtedly be much expensive at the launch, they will have availability issues and they will be immature (software-wise). IMO get your card now and then you can sell it later, and look for a new generation card if you see fit.
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November 21, 2012 9:52:04 PM

I personaly wouldn't wait either I haven't seen any news on an actually launch date and general new GPU from both major company are normally "paper" launches for the first few weeks. Also I'm sure as soon as there is a comfirmed date (assuming no delays) I'm sure there willl be talk about the new 7 series from nvida anways so basically you would be playing the waiting game and never upgrade.

My suggestion is to look for BF and cyber monday deals and pick up a 7970 and OC to the GHz edition (or just buy the GHz edition for more money). You could look at a 680/670 OC as well (with the 670 saving you money compaired to the 680 with mabye 5% fps lost). However gaming on a good monitor mean paying for a good card.
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November 22, 2012 5:20:12 AM

RussK1 said:
Did you read the OP?

Quote:
Hello dear Toms community,

I've just purchased a Dell U2713HM monitor (2560x1440)...


He just bought a hi-res monitor ---> 2560 x 1440. Are you suggesting he wait to use it and wait 5-6 months for new cards to be released?

I say get a 7970...


7970 got released this year the 9th January. Usually, the next gen card usually comes out about a year after. Just don't. :) 
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November 22, 2012 5:36:37 AM

technoholic said:
Bare clock speeds are irrelevant, we are no longer in 2000s. What matters is the architecture. AMD's cards can or cannot out perform their Nvidia counterparts, irrelevant to their clock speeds. Many people argue that AMD's cards offer higher FPS per Mhz but i won't debate on that. At last, this is more relevant to the selection of games. I'd prefer a higher memory bandwidth to a higher clock speed.

@ OP: Frankly, at that resolution, games will require a good GPU. You must not expect to get away with a cheap GPU and expect to get silky frames. You have some choices here. Firstly, please take a look at the comparison here:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/618?vs=586&i=468...

There, is the comparison between AMD 7970 Ghz edition and Nvidia's GTX 690. GTX 690 is the best GPU for those and higher resolutions but for a high price. I guess you do not want to pay so much for a GTX 690. Now please take a look at this:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7970-ghz-...

At 25x14 resolution, HD 7970 Ghz edition card gets generally better FPS than a GTX 680. With the latest driver optimizations, both cards can get higher FPS, though.

Secondly, at that resolution, some newer games will push your card to its limits. You may get low FPS in some titles, if you don't pull down some detail levels/effects. At that res., cooling is important, as well as high memory amount and higher bandwidth. In my opinion a Ghz edition hd 7970 with a nice cooler won't be a bad choice, especially for an overclocker. Maybe something similar to this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Also 8xxx series AMD cards might be at the door but they will undoubtedly be much expensive at the launch, they will have availability issues and they will be immature (software-wise). IMO get your card now and then you can sell it later, and look for a new generation card if you see fit.


GTX 680 out performs Radeon 7970 GE, not the other way. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6096/evga-geforce-gtx-680...
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November 22, 2012 6:29:05 AM

lostgamer_03 said:
GTX 680 out performs Radeon 7970 GE, not the other way. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6096/evga-geforce-gtx-680...


In SELECTION OF GAMES, yes it does, but in some games not (from the same review):
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6096/evga-geforce-gtx-680...

Also those gtx 680s are overclocked further over factory overclock. Add that the review is from the summer, when the both companies' drivers were not as much mature as they are now. Today we probably would see VERY different results of the same exact tests. You can go on... In the end, everyone will notice that these 2 cards perform similarly, having plus and minus sides against eachother. You can debate more, bringing up more benches, and i can do the exact same thing forever. It all boils down to the price, in which the AMD card comes for cheaper. And i am still behind what i recommended to the OP
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November 22, 2012 8:07:25 AM

technoholic said:
In SELECTION OF GAMES, yes it does, but in some games not (from the same review):
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6096/evga-geforce-gtx-680...

Also those gtx 680s are overclocked further over factory overclock. Add that the review is from the summer, when the both companies' drivers were not as much mature as they are now. Today we probably would see VERY different results of the same exact tests. You can go on... In the end, everyone will notice that these 2 cards perform similarly, having plus and minus sides against eachother. You can debate more, bringing up more benches, and i can do the exact same thing forever. It all boils down to the price, in which the AMD card comes for cheaper. And i am still behind what i recommended to the OP


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-680-rev... Ofc the price has to drop, when the GTX 680 is best, and the Radeon 7970 did cost more at the launch and with less performance. It's no bench this time, it's a conclusion.
I know it's not the GE version, but you can see AMD is getting desperate, when they need to dish out new versions of their already published cards, because they are getting smashed by the new Kepler cards.
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November 22, 2012 8:43:35 AM

lostgamer_03 said:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-680-rev... Ofc the price has to drop, when the GTX 680 is best, and the Radeon 7970 did cost more at the launch and with less performance. It's no bench this time, it's a conclusion.
I know it's not the GE version, but you can see AMD is getting desperate, when they need to dish out new versions of their already published cards, because they are getting smashed by the new Kepler cards.

HD 7970 was in the market long before GTX 680, enjoying the crown for some time, thus with a higher price point due to NO competition at the same segment. We saw prices over 550$ or even over 600$ that time. I am not going to show you 8 months old reviews, i will show you the current situation from different sources:

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/amd_radeon_hd...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7970-ghz-...

At the CURRENT situation, a 7970 Ghz Edition card can be gotten for as low as 370$ (after rebates)- probably cheaper with certain bundles/special sales. A similarly rivaling GTX 680 will cost AT LEAST 60 to 80$ MORE (after rebates). If you factor in the ability to overclock, we would see which card would be wasted... What you are doing is fanboy talk, with no standing point whatsoever. These cards CURRENTLY perform very similarly (some games favor one, while some will favor another) and at the END you see a 5% +/- FPS difference. ANY benchmark/review will tell you the same thing as a conclusion.

Why AMD drops the pricing, is beyond me. I am not here to debate on useless stuff and that is the topic of another discussion. I am here to share my thoughts and in this generation of GPUs Nvidia screwed up, price-wise, i am saying it. There is no need to pay that 50 to 100$ PREMIUM for a similarly performing Nvidia card almost in any segment now. If you were defending GTX 670, we would have a different talk here, but defending a GTX 680 is pointless at that price range. GTX 670 is performing similarly to a GTX 680 (in 5-8% range) but is almost 100$ cheaper. At last, if money was not an issue, we would be talking differently, too.
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November 22, 2012 8:47:01 AM

Best answer selected by Dersid.
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November 22, 2012 8:47:54 AM

Apart from the trollfest, thanks for the help. I'll see if I can get a good deal on BF or CM and go with the best deal out there.

Thanks!
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