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First PC Build (Future Proof)

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January 7, 2013 3:50:41 AM

Hello everyone, as you can see I'm pretty new on Tom's Hardware but I've spent roughly the last 3 days between Newegg, YouTube and here just watching, reading and comparing to attempt at building my first rig with compatible components under a $2500 budget constraint. The only thing that most I know will point out and :pfff:  me about is that I will only be running a single 24" monitor @ 1920 x 1080 but this is just because I wanna get 1 monitor in front of me with a complete computer and eventually buy more monitors :sol:  . I just want to run everything past a community that I know is extremely helpful and will only lead me in the right direction. Wanna make sure my set-up looks sound, compatible (should be) and you get your guys' GO on the system build. I should also add I DO plan on liquid cooling but not until the fall when I am in Clarkson University for computer engineering and I can hopefully get some more fanatics who've experience in that field help me :D  . Without further ado here are my plans:

Parts List:

-Thermaltake Chaser MK-I ATX Full Tower Case $160

-MSI Z77A-GD65 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS $155

-GIGABYTE GV-N670OC-4GD GeForce GTX 670 4GB SLI x2 @ $450 = $900

OR

-SAPPHIRE Vapor-X 7970 GHz Edition 3GB 384-bit x2 @ $440 = $880

-CORSAIR HX Series HX850 850W ATX12V 2.3 Gold Certified PSU $170

-Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core $220

-Noctua NH-D14 120mm & 140mm SSO CPU Cooler $81

-CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 1600MHz $47

-OCZ Vertex 4 128G 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC SSD $120

-WD 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" $105

-RAZER Blackwidow Ultimate 2013 Keyboard $140

-Logitech G9X Mouse $80

-ASUS VS248H-P Black 24" HDMI LED Monitor $200 (x3 eventually)

-Windows 7 Home Premium 64Bit *Free* Friend Has Copy

Total Cost - $2,378 with GTX670 SLI OR $2,358 with Sapphire 7970 CrossFireX

Only extra item that I will also be investing in within the near future would also be a: CyberPower UPS 1500VA 900W 8 Outlets $159

This should support the system just fine correct?
Also will be installing Windows 7 on SSD, does anyone know of any problems doing this as the SSD controller isn't SandForce, it's Indilinx. And I guess that just about sums it up. I just want this to get me through 4 years of gaming to make it out of college, after that I'll be a commissioned officer in the Army (crossing my fingers as I'm doing ROTC) and therefore I won't be gaming very hardcore so it'll phase out for a while. Thanks in advance to all who give their time in helping me with this project and I'll check as frequently on here as I can to respond.

-Edited, cleaned up and 7970s added thanks to TheBigeTroll :D 

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January 7, 2013 3:57:33 AM

this one is a bit off
WD 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" for 100 usd?

i have never seen 1tb drive above 80 usd, normally it is 60 usd
black version adds nothing, judge hdd with 7200rpm
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January 7, 2013 2:21:42 PM

So does everyone think this should all be compatible and good for a few years?
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January 7, 2013 2:49:49 PM

If you are going to SLI two 670 for $900 why not just get the 690 for $1000. It is configured as 2 GPUs in a single card (theoretically SLI). You will have a much better experience with a single card and it still beats the 670 SLI in most benchmarks. You could also lower the PSU to 750W with a single card. You could also save on the cooler and get the Cooler Master 212 EVO for $20 less. Great cooler. The keyboard and mouse are much, much cheaper on Amazon too.
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January 7, 2013 3:47:01 PM

this is a much better solution
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/wmKY

-you dont need 2 video cards for 1080p gaming. one will max out most things.
-4gb of vram is useless as well for 1080p gaming. if you are doing multi-monitor, get a 7970 instead. much more mature software
-better CPU cooler
-better motherboard
-better case
-better keyboard ( way better). its built by filco = quality
-bigger SSD
-you dont need 850w.
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January 7, 2013 4:12:52 PM

Okay thanks for the tips on the cheaper mouse ans keyboard. I originally planned on going GTX 690 but I decided against it beause I plan on multimonitor gaming in Skyrim usong texture mods so VRAM would be holding me back. I am aware that the GTX 690 would run cooler at lower power consumption. So I'm just kinda trading off some pros and cons of each setup for my preferred setip black of 3 monitors. I do also plan on liquid cooling soon so the cooling isues with SLI will be toned down. Thanks for the suggestion though. :) 
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January 7, 2013 4:21:30 PM

Your vRAM doesn't increase with SLI, you will still have 4GB. The 690 can run three monitors, no problem.
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January 7, 2013 4:22:29 PM

you are better off with a 7970 instead of a 670 if you want multi-monitor. nvidia cards arent that good after a single monitor
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January 7, 2013 5:12:26 PM

Well I am not too much on the idea of Crossfire because it's been reported to have 85% microstuttering rates to the SLI 7%. Also my friend has a lot of driver promblems with his card and although I know he brags better performance when comparing the Crossfire to SLI I just want hassle free. Do you think I'll have a hard time with 3 monitor SLI?
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January 7, 2013 5:42:36 PM

And cball I am aware that VRAM doesn't stack that's why I'm sacraficing simplicity of the GTX 690 for SLI because the 690 only has 2gb per gpu over the 670 with 4gb allowing me to run higher res and texture mods that I couldnt with a single 690.
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January 7, 2013 7:24:08 PM

if its multi-monitor, the rule of thumb is to go amd. nvidia has good drivers for multi-monitors but its still not as good as the amd. and plus, the 7970 has a bigger memory bus, more vram, and a more powerful GPU than the 670

i never had problems with amd drivers.
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January 7, 2013 7:59:48 PM

Okay but you're wrong on more VRAM, check out the card I have listed, it's 4GB VRAM and benched/overall rated as one of the top and in most THE top 670 to get. If I just got the 690 would I experience a lot of limitations using a 3 monitor setup at 24" with textures mods? And overall can you recommend a new mobo for my case then as I really want to stick with this one as I like the extra room and style. And finally I don't see myself really even using all of the SSD I have as I also have a regular 7,200 1TB for everything besides game. If I did get a larger one would I notice any faster speeds or is it just for sheer extra space? Thank you for your replies btw, I don't mean to demean what you are pitching :p  I just like making sure I'm set as I will be spending $2000-2500 :S
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January 7, 2013 8:12:36 PM

4gb of vram is worthless unless you do multi-monitor as i stated, but by then a 7970 would present itself as a better option given it performs better and is cheaper

i dont see the up4 having any problems. it uses pretty much the best VRM components and is grey and will match anything

if you like the case that much, go ahead with it

you will be using your SSD to load games, the OS, and apps. those will fill up your SSD. any larger SSD than 240/256gb will lose performance. but any SSD above 128gb will gain performance
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January 7, 2013 8:19:17 PM

Futureproofing doesn't really exist as it's hard to perdict where the market will go and what will be developed.

However, a build like this will perform better in the future obviously.
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January 7, 2013 11:30:46 PM

I know, I know. But do you think GTX 690 will last longer and perform better due to it being extremely high quality and dual GPU (like a 6990) because that is only 2GB VRAM. GTX 690 being compared to the 7970s that is. (And do you mean Sapphire 7970s?)
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January 8, 2013 10:18:13 AM

2 7970s would just smack the crap out of a 690
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January 8, 2013 10:18:44 AM

plus, futureproofing is impossible. dont try. its a waste. go with what you need as of now
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January 8, 2013 6:07:10 PM

I'm well aware that you can't future proof I was just saying it as a reference that I don't want a GTX 660 Ti to play for a year of gaming. Since you're so avid about AMD graphics cards how about a Asus Limited Edition ROG Ares II. I'm willing to get one of those so long as when they announce the price it's 1k or under. Also seeing as you will probably be looking into this card some more as it was only just announced less than 24hrs ago I see that it says 850w for power recommended so will my 850w PSU be enough will my build or what do you think. Thanks for your replies BigTroll, was expecting a wider variety of responses but I'll settle for someone who is well versed in computer building :) 
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January 8, 2013 6:42:16 PM

haha the ares 2. those will rack you 2k
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January 8, 2013 7:10:24 PM

:3 damn! That's a bit.... excessive. And okay then I guess I might... just... consider 7970s. Ah my friend will gloat about this day forever but I just want a good setup for 3 monitors and play BF3 (hopefully BF4) ultra. I also saw a program out there to virtually eliminate all microstuddering in the 7970 though it's downfall is you need to create a game profile for each individual game. Kinda sucks but you pay (literally or annoyance wise) for performance. So now it seems I actually will need that extra power as the 7970s are power hogs. Should I get this.. HIS IceQ X² Radeon HD 7970 3GB (x2 CrossFireX) 384-bit $389.99
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January 8, 2013 7:57:57 PM

The 670 can't take advantage of 4gb because of its 256 bit bus. The 7970 crossfire is the way to go (384-bit bus will take full advantage of 4gb).
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January 8, 2013 11:54:41 PM

i dont trust HIS. from what i know, the worst ever customer service. get sapphire, gigabyte or xfx
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January 9, 2013 1:17:00 AM

Alright BigTroll wanna check out my parts list again ^^ I added the cards. I already know you will tell me to use those over the 670SLI but can you just double check and make sure that card is up to par with you. Thanks a million man, I can't express how much I appreciate you helping me in this expensive build.
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January 9, 2013 1:21:52 AM

you know my solution is still superior right? like all the peripherals (especially that scammer razer keyboard), and the rest of the build

the sapphire toxics are pretty much the top of the line other than the matrix platinums but i wouldnt get it over the regular dual x non-ghz edition cards. the 80 dollar difference just isnt worth it given you can easily do the overclocking yourself
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January 9, 2013 1:44:18 AM

The Toxics are a bit over the top for me haha (I know that sounds hypocritical). But even at that I can't find them for sale anywhere :/  . I like your stuff but I've come to be loyal to MSI for the MB. I when you posted your recommended build you gave me a single 2GB GTX 670, so do you think the 2 CrossFireX 7970MHz that I added would be better used here instead. It's $80 for this edition but I just looked at a few benchmarks and even in 3D Mark Vantage it showed 5fps per card more. So worth the $80 to me. The SSD you recommended although it has twice the storage it's not a good spec wise as the OCZ Vertex 4. As for the keyboard I just thought it was nice as it was rated #1 on almost every website for gaming or ergonomic use. Will I need the 850W PSU if I CrossFireX because if I overclock the MHz editions they SUCK power down when running at full loads. Thanks again! I hope I'm not annoying you will all these responses, I quite enjoy chatting back and forth comparing parts to whittle down a final build.
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January 9, 2013 9:58:02 AM

the 5 fps is easily gained by overclocking you can do at home for free.

the odds of you knowing about the speed difference is near zero. unless you benchmark, it makes zero difference. id always get a SSD for capacity first then performancem but never the other way around. the price/gb is much better than the ocz anyday. plus, the ocz really only performs better in write operations. by then you still cant tell the difference

id rather get a keyboard one tier lower than the IBM model M than to get a keyboard that isnt exactly a standard cherry mechanical. the razer from what i know does not use a steel backplate, which is pretty much what all mechanicals come with

you might want 850w, but the capstone can handle it
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January 9, 2013 6:10:14 PM

Two 7970's are far more superior. If you are looking at older benchmarks then you are getting the wrong idea. The new AMD drivers are alot better than we we used to have. You could look into a HD 7990 Dual GPU. Plus they scale way better than nvidia because of the 384 bit bus. And yeah you can overclock the 670, but so can the 7970. A oc'ed 7970 surpasses a 680.
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