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November 23, 2012 6:19:36 PM

What's better, 660Ti or 7950? I'm playing on 1 monitor, the resolution is 1920x1080. I'm playing Battlefield 3, Black ops 2, Just Cause 2, Crysis(1 and 2), Skyrim etc...

Computer specs ( It would be great if you could tell me if any of these would bottleneck it):

CPU - Amd x4 955 @ 3.20Ghz
Motherboard - Gigabyte MA770T-AM3
RAM - Kingston 4GB DDR3 1333mhz
PSU - 480W TOQO Silent( Unknown company, i think its called that)

More about : 660ti 7950

a b U Graphics card
November 23, 2012 7:31:12 PM

Here, i don't want to begin a Nvidia vs AMD debate. I'll share my input.

1- What kind of cpu cooler do you have? Can your cpu handle some more OC? If you can keep temperatures under decent levels, then i suggest some more OC. But do it with caution, increasing speed step by step and try to see the optimum speed/temperature your cpu can keep in the long run.
2- I wouldn't trust on that PSU. There are cheap and quality PSU models here and there. Sooner you switch your PSU, sooner you get rid of the probability to damage your hardware. Furthermore, AMD suggests a 500w or better PSU for HD 7950 and Nvidia suggests the same for GTX 660Ti. So you need a better PSU for any of these cards
3- About performance, i share what i know and what i think. Both Nvidia and AMD released optimized drivers for their GPUs. These provided performance increases. At the current situation i see 7950 superior. And if you overclock, it will perform on par even with a GTX 670.
a c 118 U Graphics card
November 23, 2012 7:50:22 PM

oakcatton said:
What's better, 660Ti or 7950? I'm playing on 1 monitor, the resolution is 1920x1080. I'm playing Battlefield 3, Black ops 2, Just Cause 2, Crysis(1 and 2), Skyrim etc...

Computer specs ( It would be great if you could tell me if any of these would bottleneck it):

CPU - Amd x4 955 @ 3.20Ghz
Motherboard - Gigabyte MA770T-AM3
RAM - Kingston 4GB DDR3 1333mhz
PSU - 480W TOQO Silent( Unknown company, i think its called that)


Plz heed technoholic's advice on upgrading PSU before using either of
those cards.

Tom
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a b U Graphics card
November 23, 2012 7:53:35 PM

1- Get a new PSU
2- Get the 7950

Cheers :) 
a b U Graphics card
November 23, 2012 8:00:53 PM

+1 for getting a new PSU.

The GTX 660 Ti is on par with the 7950 (even with Catalyst 12.11). I can list multiple benchmarks from multiple sights that back up my claim. Get whichever is cheaper and/or comes with the better game bundle. Go HERE (TechPowerUp) for a full review on the changes that 12.11 brought.

Edit: There's two things that DO separate the 7950 from the 660 Ti. The first being memory bandwidth. At resolutions higher than 1920x1080 the 7950 does slightly pull ahead because of the higher bandwidth. Also when more than 4x AA is chosen the 7950 again starts to slightly pull ahead.

Most benchmarks you see won't be running more than AA 4x because of that fact.
Anonymous
a c 117 U Graphics card
November 23, 2012 8:03:52 PM

reality is that within a few percentage performance difference between the two cards, depending on drivers, both of them a EQUAL. the overclocking factor does lean towards the 7950, however it is no guarantee just how high of an overclock any card will have.; that would depend on the vendor.

the bottom line is what card/vendor gives the better price/performance.

but first get a better quality PSU!
a b U Graphics card
November 23, 2012 8:30:26 PM

Yeah I would agree with all the poster get a better PSU then find the best deal for either card, whether that be a rebate or free games you plan on buying. However if there even a thought of running SLI/Xfire in the future at higher than 1080p then go with the 7950 hands down.
a b U Graphics card
November 23, 2012 8:34:20 PM

dscudella said:
+1 for getting a new PSU.

The GTX 660 Ti is on par with the 7950 (even with Catalyst 12.11). I can list multiple benchmarks from multiple sights that back up my claim. Get whichever is cheaper and/or comes with the better game bundle. Go HERE (TechPowerUp) for a full review on the changes that 12.11 brought.

Edit: There's two things that DO separate the 7950 from the 660 Ti. The first being memory bandwidth. At resolutions higher than 1920x1080 the 7950 does slightly pull ahead because of the higher bandwidth. Also when more than 4x AA is chosen the 7950 again starts to slightly pull ahead.

Most benchmarks you see won't be running more than AA 4x because of that fact.



Nonsense the 660ti is much slower overall an overclocked 7950 beats out an overclocked GTX 680.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcKWzVkgspc&list=UU_SN80...
a b U Graphics card
November 23, 2012 8:47:36 PM

I'd pick a 7950 for a couple of reasons. 7950 is more future proof because of the overclocking headroom (especially with a custom cooler), higher memory bandwidth and a potentially strong compute power (works with open standards) over a GTX 660Ti. 660Ti has the CUDA acceleration, Physx and a less power consumption but imo these put relatively (relative to my own needs) low value on the card. GTX 660Ti (or any Kepler card in this case) holds certain disadvantages as compute power (relative but we know Nvidia crippled this to enhance gaming side) and possible memory bottlenecks (there are certain situations like MSAA where all Keplers show this)
a b U Graphics card
November 23, 2012 8:52:22 PM

I also disagree with dscudella. I've heard that with the new AMD drivers the 7950 was performing on par with the 670 and way above the 660-Ti. Tom's Hardware graphics cards hierarchy chart also lists the 7950 above the 660-Ti:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...

But these are all good cards anyways no matter what you choose. Personally, the 7950 would get my vote because of recent AMD price cuts, seems like a better bang for the bucks right now. The other thing that annoys me with the 660-Ti is the limited memory bandwidth to 192-bit, it might not be an issue in most games now, but who knows in the future? Or you might decide to change your monitor for something with an higher resolution or rely on AA a lot, and in this case the 384-bit memory interface of the 7950 gives it an advantage.

And yeah, I agree with others, you don't want to buy such a nice card and hook it up to a cheap "no-name" power supply. Here's a best-seller:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Corsair and Antec have solid reputations for PSU, there are other good brands too of course, but just stay away from Cooler Master.
a b U Graphics card
November 23, 2012 8:56:48 PM

+1 7950 as an overclocker
a b U Graphics card
November 23, 2012 9:08:05 PM

I post benchmarks from a VERY well respected hardware website and you link a youtube video? SMH

I can do it too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6j3tzTM1uY.

They go head to head in real world benchmarks. Youtube videos can prove whatever the maker wants them to prove.
Anonymous
a c 117 U Graphics card
November 23, 2012 9:39:47 PM

lets be done. like i said the 7950 and the 660ti are equal. this blabber about the 7950 surpassing the 660ti with the newer drivers are incorrect esp at the OPs resolution:

a 2% performance difference as a win? really? REALLY? :p 
(i wouldn't even consider the previous 4% difference as a 660ti win)
and again as i said overclocking is not a guarantee, it depends on the vendor as in two different 7950 overclocking:
sapphire:

power color:


obviously a large difference when compared to a HD6990 and GTX 590.

until the OP gets another PSU this whole discussion is moot. then w/o a budget this discussion is also pointless, because there is no sense in making a recommendation based off of a premium card's overclocking if the OP can't afford it.

have a nice day. :) 
a b U Graphics card
November 23, 2012 10:03:39 PM

Dude grab the Club3D 7950 download afterburner max everything out 1200Mhz easy that will blow the doors off everything.
a b U Graphics card
November 23, 2012 11:59:21 PM

Apologies to dscudella, it must have been my imagination that played tricks on me but I was certain I saw benchmarks that made the 7950 performs closer to the 670. But yeah, according to the ones you showed looks like it performs more closely to the 660-Ti, this is probably why both cards are priced around 300$, makes sense.

But no matter what oakcatton decides to pick as a card in the end these are all good choices. Somehow a part of me would still lean towards the 7950 because of the larger memory bandwidth, I don't know it might come in handy in the future. I also have a feeling that AMD isn't done improving their drivers so there might also be more room for improvement on the 7950 to unlock even more power in the future (but that's just an assumption). Finally, the 7950 also overclocks better (although you demonstrated results may vary).
a b U Graphics card
November 24, 2012 6:37:22 AM

We perceive it differently cause some reviewers rely on average frame rates, some base their benchmarks on highest/lowest frame rates (displaying both), some shows only lowest FPS per card AND some display continuous performance graphics. Now, 4 different methodologies or measurements here, and all may mean differently. Which one is more reputable? Which one is the best to measure a card's true performance? Depends on your perception and what you expect from it. I recommend the OP to make his own research. Other than that, everyone here recommended what they think is better or more suitable. Cheers
Anonymous
a c 117 U Graphics card
November 24, 2012 9:56:25 AM

both a good choices.

but if you can squeeze a few squid(?) (excuse me if i said that wrong, i am a yank)
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA...

the xfx is one of my favorites, nothing wrong with the corsair.
November 24, 2012 10:00:21 AM

I'll try and get that if possible! Thanks:) 
November 24, 2012 10:05:56 AM

I'll have a look if i could get the psu any cheaper aswell!:) 
November 24, 2012 10:22:26 AM

Cool, having a look now!
November 24, 2012 10:25:41 AM

1 question...would you think a amd 7870 would be enough to play all those games at ultra settings on my monitor? If it could... i could problably get a better psu and then have more headroom for upgrading!
a b U Graphics card
November 24, 2012 10:37:59 AM

A 7870 wouldn't be a bad choice either. That card has an identical performance to GTX 580 and has high overclockability. If you can afford to get a GHZ edition that would be the strawberry on top
November 24, 2012 10:44:21 AM

Nice! I might actually go for the 7870 seeing as i'm only playing on 1 monitor at 1920 x 1080, and then get a better psu!
Anonymous
a c 117 U Graphics card
November 24, 2012 10:50:05 AM

at worse you may need to turn down a few settings but the 7870 can give great performance @ 1080.

and on a side note: that xfx 550 is all you'll need for any single graphic card set up including overclocking the cpu and gpu.

spend any extra cash on a cpu cooler to overclock that.
November 24, 2012 11:12:10 AM

Okey! I'm gonna get the xfx core editon 7870!:)  I hope it will be enough!:) 
November 24, 2012 11:17:51 AM

My friend has a 7870, and he gets very similar performance to me (I have a 7950). We have the exact same PC specifications except for the graphics card. I pull ahead in Skyrim, but that's because I have a ton of graphics/texture mods, which is where the 3GB of VRAM comes in more handy than the 2GB. In most unmodded games and at 1080p, the performance is pretty similar, although my 7950 beats his 7870 slightly.

Both are great cards though, and better than the 660Ti.
November 24, 2012 11:26:05 AM

I just want to be able to play games at 1080p with max settings, that is my goal, and from what i have read, and what i have asked on toms hardware, i think the 7870 is best for me! Thanks to you all!:) 
Anonymous
a c 117 U Graphics card
November 24, 2012 7:54:00 PM

Viridian112 said:

Both are great cards though, and better than the 660Ti.

:pfff: 
a b U Graphics card
November 24, 2012 10:09:29 PM

Viridian112 said:
My friend has a 7870, and he gets very similar performance to me (I have a 7950). We have the exact same PC specifications except for the graphics card. I pull ahead in Skyrim, but that's because I have a ton of graphics/texture mods, which is where the 3GB of VRAM comes in more handy than the 2GB. In most unmodded games and at 1080p, the performance is pretty similar, although my 7950 beats his 7870 slightly.

Both are great cards though, and better than the 660Ti.


The 7870 is NOT better than the 660 Ti. The GTX 660 competes with the 7870.
a b U Graphics card
November 24, 2012 10:23:12 PM

dscudella said:
The 7870 is NOT better than the 660 Ti. The GTX 660 competes with the 7870.

Because a GTX 660Ti is a rip-off :)  Non-Ti makes more sense but it is still nonsense to see how a GTX 660 costs almost the same and performs worse than a 7870 Ghz edition? Honestly the only card that performs good enough and makes sense price-wise is the GTX 670. Nvidia is a complete rip-off this generation. GTX 660 can at most compete with a vanilla 7870 or a 7850
Anonymous
a c 117 U Graphics card
November 24, 2012 10:37:43 PM

a b U Graphics card
November 25, 2012 5:25:30 PM

Oh please, we're not starting that debate all over again? Lol!

I think the 7870 might actually be a better choice for you than the 7950, I'd be afraid your CPU might bottleneck the card a bit, so a 7870 might give you a better balanced system and similar results.

With the money you saved you could get a better PSU, not that the ones that were previously suggested are bad, but this one has a very solid reputation and is a best-seller plus it has more headrooms for future upgrades:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA...
November 25, 2012 5:33:51 PM

Sorry but my budget is about 50-55 pounds:/
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