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Needing help on my build. $350 budget. (Still need help 1/10/13)

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January 8, 2013 3:34:55 PM

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Hello all,

I am building a new computer as my gaming computer's PSU decided to crap out back in May of last year and take the rest of the computer with it. I managed to save the HDD from it, that's all.

Today, I'm really needing something new, as the temporary computer I've been using is AWFUL for gaming.

Looking for something to play Minecraft, Skyrim, TF2, Portal 2, Garry's Mod and a few other games on. With Minecraft I will definitely want to record gameplay, as I used to in the past.

I've come up with this build, but, there are a couple things that confuse me.

Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Processor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Graphics Card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Now, I know the Power Supply included with the case and the Graphics Card aren't stellar, but I should theoretically be okay.

First off:

The PSU does not have an 8 pin CPU power connector. I've read that I can just use the 4 pin, is this correct?

Also, I've read that lots of motherboards require a BIOS update to support AMD FX processors. Is this correct? If so, I could always temporarily use a Phenom II X4 until I could afford the 6 or 8 core AMD FX.

Most of this build is based on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exdJz5jeqC4

Comparing the Graphics Card I have chosen with the GTX 550 Ti, it isn't awful and should be able to run many things on medium settings at least.

I'm willing to change my build, I want the parts by mid-February. Only buying from newegg. Not interested in overclocking or anything like that, just want something cheap and simple. Don't need a monitor or OS. My monitor's max resolution is 1920x1080 I believe.

Thanks for any help,

-Meph

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January 8, 2013 4:12:40 PM

save youre money, you wont build anything decent for 350
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January 8, 2013 5:27:32 PM

the great randini said:
save youre money, you wont build anything decent for 350


Did you even read the OP? Seriously...

oondun said:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/wxzP

you can replace the cpu with AMD Athlon II X3 450, which I do not suggest, to save money!


Thank you very much :) 

Still curious on my questions, and still considering other builds.
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January 8, 2013 5:38:28 PM

djangoringo said:
Beware, to not get the apevia psu with a 7770, unless you want fireworks.

Get this : http://pcpartpicker.com/p/wxVi


Oooh, very nice build. If I swapped the intel stuff for AMD it'd be right in my ballpark.

Thanks!
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January 8, 2013 5:56:11 PM

It's hard to put an FX cpu in there for 350$.
In my opinion, it's good for the card it has, the pentium G860 will not bottleneck the 7770.
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January 8, 2013 5:56:19 PM

The corsair CX 430 PSU is up on newegg right now wth a $20 MIR, would save you another $11.

good luck!
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January 9, 2013 1:42:58 AM

Thanks for the replies:

@djangoringo, I just don't really like Intel anymore :/ 

@quilciri, thanks for the suggestion :) 

Still looking for suggestions
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January 9, 2013 1:54:49 AM

Why not ?...they're the best cpus, see the web for benchmarks, they could be more expensive but they're better, the pentium G860 is a good budget cpu.

The only decent amd cpu for your budget is the x4 965 be, but it's more expensive than the pentium G860, also i recommend going with a decent board that supports fx cpus for latter, keep in mind it will cost much more.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/wy89
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January 9, 2013 2:07:00 AM

Yeah but I really don't want anything super expensive, honestly I just something nice and not with a Pentium. I dislike the new pentiums.

My budget is maximum of $350
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January 9, 2013 1:57:37 PM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($49.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix sport 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($18.98 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7770 1GB Video Card ($106.97 @ Newegg)
Case: Silverstone PS08B (Black) MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($34.90 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($22.98 @ Newegg)

Total: $348.79 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.) (Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-09 10:56 EST-0500)
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January 9, 2013 2:00:51 PM

Hm, not bad. Thanks for the response. I'll update the thread when
I get the parts for the build I decide on :) 
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January 9, 2013 2:03:02 PM

If you can also salvage your old optical drive, either grab an aftermarket cooler for the 965, or bump the system RAM to 8gb.
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January 9, 2013 6:08:49 PM

quilciri said:
If you can also salvage your old optical drive, either grab an aftermarket cooler for the 965, or bump the system RAM to 8gb.


Yeah, I can, I also have a USB DVD Drive and I'm going to use my hard drives from my previous computer.

I should be ordering the parts within a week. Thanks for the help :) 
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January 10, 2013 11:31:25 PM

That's not good, you need a good card, for a 320$, the pentium G860 is good enough, it will not bottleneck the 7770, you need a much better card...
Also i recommend going with a decent psu for future upgrades for cards, etc.
The H61 could be a cheap mobo, but it has pcie 3.0 support with an ivybridge cpu, and supports any ivybridge cpu(with a bios update), so you can latter add on an i5 ivybridge.

See this : http://pcpartpicker.com/p/wVYv

If you have doubts about the cpu see here :

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/budget-gaming-do-it...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-o...

See also this : http://www.pureoverclock.com/Review-detail/amd-trinity-... (a standalone 7770 is much better than 6670 crossfire and that's with the A10 not the one you have).
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January 10, 2013 11:51:59 PM

Ehh I don't really wanna go Intel. Also, I'm really on a budget and do NOT like the new Pentiums.

I'll consider it though...
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January 11, 2013 12:33:52 AM

This computer's only use will be for gaming and gaming + recording with FRAPS. The new APUs will be out soon and will support FM2. Buddy of mine has basically the AM3 build I posted but with an Athlon instead of Phenom, and he used it to record the machinima at http://youtube.com/boomcraftin . Minecraft on high settings with tons of cinematic mods. I think he said he normally gets around 120 FPS w/o the cinematic mods. So, my FM2 is plenty. I know the Phenom has L3 Cache and better L1, but the A8 has better L2.

I'm just wondering which of the two would fit my needs best.

I'd like Intel, but I'm not settling for low-end parts cause I want Intel. If I get an Intel CPU + Mobo, I'm getting an i5 or i7. Which will put me out $250-400. So, really wanna go with a nice quad-core AMD processor.
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January 11, 2013 1:24:08 AM

You don't understand a 7770 is better than any on die any of the apus will have(including those reichland)...
That means what matters is the cpu performance and for that you're better off with a pentium G860+upgrade path to an i5 that kills any apu for what it will have(it costs about 180$ the i5-3470, it could lower the price in the future with the haswell cpus) or a X4 965 BE+upgrade path for piledriver cpus(including the FX-8350) and it could also support steamroller if a future bios update is available, any of the piledriver cpus will also be better than any apu in terms of cpu performance.
If you can afford those two paths, in my opinion you're better off with them.
You'll have support for superior cpus, a psu that supports mid cards or future cards.
But if you want an apu, at least get the one with the 7660D, and ram with high capacity of oc : http://pcpartpicker.com/p/wXnm

Also do not cheap out on a case and psu...

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January 11, 2013 1:43:00 AM

I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying.

If I buy an A8-5600K and 6670 now, then upgrade to the A10-6800K + supported crossfire card when they come out, that isn't bad, I'd only have to live with it for 6-9 months.

Same with the Phenom X4 build. I just want to know which is best, I /do/ know I'd get better graphics performance out of the A8-5600K + 6670 VS standalone 6670. I can't afford a 7770 at the moment.

Also, that PSU has a history of doing what my last one did, which ruined the entire computer (except the Hard Drive and DVD Drive).

As long as I can get 60+ FPS running Minecraft, Portal 2 and some other not extremely intensive like BF3 (by the way, the A8 can run Far Cry 3 on high settings w/o a discrete gfx card) games on high settings, I'm fine.
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January 11, 2013 1:51:11 AM

It's your money, not mine, i rather not get a 6670+apu, the crossfire is useless you must see this : http://www.pureoverclock.com/Review-detail/amd-trinity-... , either like i said get a x4 965 BE or pentium G860 + discrete card, if you can't afford the 7770, get the 7750 it's still better than that useless crossfire setup, you'll get headaches with the driver support for that specific crossfire, also a LOT of micro stuttering, most games will not support or take advantage.
Or an apu alone without any discrete gfx, like the A8 or A10 + overclockable ram and a good mobo like the asrock.
Why you want to spend more ~130$ for an top apu latter ? with the other setups like the x4 965 that goes with a new card...which is better.
Also the Corsair psu is a good one, the one that comes with the case will do for the apu, but in no way as good as the corsair.
And in now way you're gonna play Far Cry 3 with an apu at high setting dx11 at 1080p with decent fps.
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January 11, 2013 2:03:35 AM

Ahhh makes sense. Will probably buy the x4 965, the Rosewill should run decently. So, I would upgrade to an AMD FX and a better PSU. The PSU in the Rosewill should be okay for the x4 965 and a decent gfx card. Thanks for your help.

So, the X4 + 6670/7770 should be great for gaming til I get the FX?
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January 11, 2013 2:05:10 AM

Yes. see this : http://pcpartpicker.com/p/wXW0

It's a 7750, if you can fit a 7770 there fine...but i recommend that 7750 or a 6670 1GB DDR5(not the DDR3) with the psu rosewill.
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January 11, 2013 2:08:00 AM

Okay, thanks. Gonna order the stuff. Thanks man!
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January 11, 2013 2:24:17 AM

How exactly do you do that? Also, thank you so much for your help, will update thread once built.
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January 11, 2013 2:32:42 AM

Ah very nice. Thanks for the help.

Also, how do you use the 4 pin in an 8 pin?
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January 11, 2013 2:41:45 AM

Just put the 4 pins to one side of the connector, where the manual of the mobo says it.
8 pins are more for power hungry cpus and if you want to overclock those.
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January 11, 2013 2:53:02 AM

Ah okay. Thanks! Will be purchasing the parts tomorrow. Thanks for your help and will notify you when built so you can see what you've helped me create :) 

Thanks!
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January 11, 2013 2:58:08 AM

you should have just listened to djangoringo in the begining. the 6670 will be lucky to break 30 fps on most games. i cant tell if you need a psu. at first you said your psu died then you said you can use it. either way getting a A10 and putting a descrete graphics card makes zero sense. just like being on a tight budget buying a horrible FX cpu and then upgrading it to a so-so cpu later.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($109.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock B75M-DGS Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($56.97 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7770 1GB Video Card ($106.97 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $338.91
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-10 23:56 EST-0500)
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