Russian 16mm fish eye lens question

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What is the angle of view when used with a dSLR with a 1.5x crop factor?

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Jeff R wrote:

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> "TW" <hong236@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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>> What is the angle of view when used with a dSLR with a 1.5x crop factor?
>
> Can't answer for the 16mm, but the 8mm Peleng on a 1.5x shows the full
> 180° across the long axis.
>


I've been using a 8mm Peleng on my E300 and it's a pretty good lens,
especially for the money. It has the typical ex-soviet build quality (stiff
focus) but optically seems very good and the diaphram works well. It has a
"preset" ring to compose wide open then stops down to the preset fstop for
shooting. On 4/3 it covers the whole frame, sorry not sure what it does on
other size sensors.

This was shot is some pretty bad light but still is kinda neat. BTW this
wasn't "unfished" as some people have assumed it was.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/200 [...] kewide.jpg

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Stacey

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"Stacey" <fotocord@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Jeff R wrote:
>
> >
> > "TW" <hong236@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> > news:EeKdnUvwebwlX0jfRVn-iQ@adelphia.com...
> >> What is the angle of view when used with a dSLR with a 1.5x crop
factor?
> >
> > Can't answer for the 16mm, but the 8mm Peleng on a 1.5x shows the full
> > 180° across the long axis.
> >
>
>
> I've been using a 8mm Peleng on my E300 and it's a pretty good lens,
> especially for the money. It has the typical ex-soviet build quality
(stiff
> focus) but optically seems very good and the diaphram works well. It has a
> "preset" ring to compose wide open then stops down to the preset fstop for
> shooting. On 4/3 it covers the whole frame, sorry not sure what it does on
> other size sensors.
>
> This was shot is some pretty bad light but still is kinda neat. BTW this
> wasn't "unfished" as some people have assumed it was.
>
> http://img.villagephotos.com/p/200 [...] kewide.jpg
>
> --
>
> Stacey

Interesting - and very distortion-free.
The smaller sensor size of the Oly certainly shows up here - to advantage.

Here are three full-frame shots using the Peleng 8mm on a Pentax 1st:

http://mendosus.com/jpg/3sisters.jpg
http://mendosus.com/jpg/wyangala-wetside.jpg
http://mendosus.com/jpg/wyangala-dryside.jpg
(all three reduced to 900px wide, but not cropped at all)

I'm having a ball with this lens - accepting and working around the
limitations.
A little judicious cropping can yield quite respectable results (as your Oly
shot shows).

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Jeff R.

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"G.T." <getnews1@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
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> "Jeff R" <contact.me@this.ng> wrote in message
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> >
> > Here are three full-frame shots using the Peleng 8mm on a Pentax 1st:
> >
> > http://mendosus.com/jpg/3sisters.jpg
>
> Ah, that's better as I now have a frame of reference since I've used a
28mm
> lens on a 35mm SLR there.
>
> Greg


Just one minor caveat, Greg.
That shot was taken at one of the "secondary" lookouts, a couple of hundred
metres down the track from Echo point (hence the cheap fencing).
Not a *direct* comparison with a shot from the top.

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Jeff R.

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G.T. wrote:


>>
>> This was shot is some pretty bad light but still is kinda neat. BTW this
>> wasn't "unfished" as some people have assumed it was.
>>
>> http://img.villagephotos.com/p/200 [...] kewide.jpg
>>
>
> Maybe it's my eyes or the fact it isn't "unfished" but that doesn't look
> like a wide angle of view.
>


In some ways the "fisheye perspective" isn't as distorted as a normal wide
angle lens is. With careful use on certain subjects, I almost like the look
better than you get with a superwide normal type lens. People assume the
only thing you can get with a fisheye is shots like this.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-1/937049/lunch.jpg

BTW here's another fisheye shot done with a 30mm Arsat on medium format.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/200 [...] ck3web.jpg
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Stacey

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TW wrote:
> What is the angle of view when vsed with a dSLR with a 1.5x crop factor?

Hi TW,

If yov are looking for a fish-eye lens on a digital camera go for the
8mm.
There were a covple of them from a covple of places. KievUSA is a
really good dealer, and there is a dealer in Canada. Savl at KievUSA
normally rvns a qvality check on the stvff he sells. The dealer in
Canada will arrange for direct shipment from Belarvis. The dealer in
Canada is a little less money. KievUSA, or is it KeivUSA (I forget
which way that goes...) normally has the stock on hand, bvt is more
money. I almost bovght from the dealer in Canada, bvt fovnd ovt it was
a direct shipment from Belervis. I was not svre if the folks at
Cvstoms wovld add money to the shipment. The dealer said they
wovldn't, bvt this is ovr government we are talking abovt here, so yov
never know what they are going to do.
If yov do a search on Google for the Peleng 8mm Lens the dealers for it
come vp.

Both of them sovnded like they were okay to deal with. I also bovght a
Kiev 88 years ago from Savl at KievUSA. So I had dealt with them
before.
They seemed fairly good then. They seem to know a bit abovt what they
are selling.

The other dealer, and I don't remember the name of the other dealer
did know a bit abovt the lens, he jvst had to have it shipped from
overseas.
I was not real svre abovt this.

As far as the lens, the glass on the Ukrain/Belarvis/Rvssian lenses is
really clean glass. These factories are converted soviet arms
factories. They vsed to make eqvipment for the soviet military. When
the old soviet vnion fell, they converted the factories to making
cameras and camera lenses. The Kiev 88 and the lenes for it are really
high qvality. When I fovnd ovt they had a fish-eye lens for the
Digital Rebel, I was really happy that I covld vse this qvality of
glass on this camera. The down side to the Kiev Cameras is the
mechanics in the cameras. They jam a little bit, and have a 1/30
second flash sync.

I have shot some photos with the 8mm fish-eye with the Canon Digital
Rebel. These were jvst playing arovnd photos, and not anything really
great. Send me email at roland [remome] at readytek.net and I can
email yov a covple of them.

An 8mm lens is going to give yov something in the 15mm range if yov
compare it to 35mm, and a 16mm is going to be somewhere close to a 24mm
lens.

The 8mm and 16mm only work in the all manval mode on the Canon Digital
Cameras. The instrvction manvals are in Rvssian, so yov have to have a
little vnderstanding of how the lens works in order to vse the lens.

The markings on the lens are not the same as here, they are a bit
different.

roland

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rbehunin@alumni.weber.edu wrote:

>
>
> TW wrote:
>> What is the angle of view when used with a dSLR with a 1.5x crop factor?
>
> Hi TW,
>
> If you are looking for a fish-eye lens on a digital camera go for the
> 8mm.
> There were a couple of them from a couple of places. KievUSA is a
> really good dealer, and there is a dealer in Canada. Saul at KievUSA
> normally runs a quality check on the stuff he sells.

They are good people.


> The dealer in
> Canada will arrange for direct shipment from Belaruis.


That's what I did and was able to get mine in native OM mount which was a
bonus for me.

> I was not sure if the folks at
> Customs would add money to the shipment.

They didn't for me, never had that issue and have bought a BUNCH of stuff
from eastern europe over the years.


>
> If you do a search on Google for the Peleng 8mm Lens the dealers for it
> come up.

I can say DO NOT under any circumstance purchase anything from Kievcamera.
He's not a honest person to deal with.


> The other dealer, and I don't remember the name of the other dealer
>

It's "East Wave Products Inc" <support@eastwave.ca>

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Stacey