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January 11, 2013 4:52:55 PM

I should say this is a duplicated post cause the first one had some kind of problem with the Thread name. I'll flag the other one to be deleted.


Approximate Purchase Date: In one or two weeks.

Budget Range: €3000 - 3500 ($4000 - 4500)

System Usage from Most to Least Important: 3D Architectural Visualisation & Modeling / Ultra Resolution Gaming / Everyday Internet Usage

Are you buying a monitor: No, i own a Apple LED Cinema Display 24'' with Mini-Displayport which I would like to keep using.

Parts to Upgrade: CPU, Mobo, RAM, GPU, Coolers, HDD, SSD, PSU. Everything but the monitor, keyboard and mouse.

Do you need to buy OS: Depends. If you think Windows 8 Pro will do the job I can use mine, if not I'll have to buy a Windows 7 (which version?).


Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Since I'm from Portugal, it's http://www.moddingworld.pt/loja/ or http://alientech.pt/. But I'll try to use and post from newegg.com for the discussion. Prices in EUR are a bit higher.. :/ 


Location: Braga, Portugal - Parts will be assembled in Alientech.pt on Porto city.

Parts Preferences: I tried to select some parts but none of them are final decisions. Check them on the bottom of the post.

Overclocking: Yes.

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe.

Your Monitor Resolution: 1920x1200

Additional Comments: I would like a quiet PC cause it's on the living room. The software I will likely use more are 3D Studio Max with Vray and Vray RT (not as much GPU rendering, more CPU), AutoCAD, Revit, Rhinoceros, Mudbox, Photoshop and After Effects. As for games I'm looking at Crysis 3, Farcry 3 and Battlefield 3.

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: I'm starting to get some freelance 3D visualisations works and need some horsepower for the renderings. As Dual XEON are really expensive I'll go for the X79 and I would like to be able to play the latest games aswell, at very high resolutions.




MOBO:

ASUS P9X79 WS LGA 2011 Intel X79 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 SSI CEB Intel Motherboard with USB BIOS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS Rampage IV Extreme LGA 2011 Intel X79 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Extended ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


CPU:

Intel Core i7-3930K Sandy Bridge-E 3.2GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 2011 130W Six-Core Desktop Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel Core i7-3970X Extreme Edition Sandy Bridge-E 3.5GHz (4.0GHz Turbo) LGA 2011 150W Six-Core Desktop Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


RAM:

CORSAIR Dominator Platinum 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 Desktop Memory Model
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Kingston HyperX Beast 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 Desktop Memory Model
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


GPU:

ASUS GTX690-4GD5 GeForce GTX 690 4GB 512-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
For best gaming and for easy use of the Mini-Displayport only connection of my monitor..
I know the GTX series 5 are better for V-Ray RT (GPU rendering) but I believe that with the comming drivers and software updates kepler will do much better then what it does at the moment. Anyway i don't plan to use alot of GPU rendering.

EVGA 04G-P4-3688-KR GeForce GTX 680 Classified 4GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Don't know if the 4GB will do much difference for working with 3D Max since I don't use much GPU rendering nor very big scenes. Apart of that it looks good for a future SLI configuration of 2X EVGA GTX680 CLASSIFIED 4GB versus GTX 690.
The problem then will be how to connect my monitor to this video card? Whats the best way? Mini-Displayport FEMALE to Displayport MALE adaptor?


HDD:

2x Western Digital Red WD30EFRX 3TB IntelliPower 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2x Western Digital WD Black WD2002FAEX 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

For RAID 1 or any recomendation of RAID?


SSD: (for OS and/or maybe ASUS SSD CACHING)

OCZ Vertex 3 - MAX IOPS Edition VTX3MI-25SAT3-240G 2.5" 240GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SAMSUNG 830 Series MZ-7PC256B/WW 2.5" 256GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


PSU:

SeaSonic X-SERIES X-1050 1050W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR AX1200i 1200W Digital ATX12V v2.31 and EPS 2.92 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS PLATINUM Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER Silent Pro Gold Series RSA00-80GAD3-US 1000W ATX 12V v2.3 / EPS 12V v2.92 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


CPU COOLER:

CORSAIR Hydro Series H100i Water Cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


CASE:

Corsair Obsidian Series 550D Black Aluminum / Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Corsair Obsidian Series 650D (CC650DW-1) Black Steel structure with black brushed aluminum faceplate ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



It's alot of information but I hope you guys can give me some good advices to help me choose between all this stuff or recommend other! :)  My first BIG build..

Best regards.
January 11, 2013 5:33:00 PM

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ASUS P9X79 WS LGA 2011 Intel X79 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 SSI CEB Intel Motherboard with USB BIOS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] P9X79%20WS

ASUS Rampage IV Extreme LGA 2011 Intel X79 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Extended ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813131802


No need to pay money for the Rampage IV Extreme - you will most likely never use all the features on it.

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CPU:

Intel Core i7-3930K Sandy Bridge-E 3.2GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 2011 130W Six-Core Desktop Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819116492

Intel Core i7-3970X Extreme Edition Sandy Bridge-E 3.5GHz (4.0GHz Turbo) LGA 2011 150W Six-Core Desktop Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] k=i7-3970x


The 3970X isn't really necessary as the 3930K can be easily clocked to match or surpass the advertised speeds - it's a waste of money.

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RAM:

CORSAIR Dominator Platinum 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 Desktop Memory Model
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820233393

Kingston HyperX Beast 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 Desktop Memory Model
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820104369


The Dominator Platinum isn't worth the extra money. I wouldn't purchase it.

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SSD: (for OS and/or maybe ASUS SSD CACHING)

OCZ Vertex 3 - MAX IOPS Edition VTX3MI-25SAT3-240G 2.5" 240GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820227715

SAMSUNG 830 Series MZ-7PC256B/WW 2.5" 256GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820147164


Don't purchase a Vertex 3 - get a Vertex 4 or the new Vector drive. Also the Samsung 840 Pro is one you should check out as well.

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PSU:

SeaSonic X-SERIES X-1050 1050W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817151110

CORSAIR AX1200i 1200W Digital ATX12V v2.31 and EPS 2.92 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS PLATINUM Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817139039

COOLER MASTER Silent Pro Gold Series RSA00-80GAD3-US 1000W ATX 12V v2.3 / EPS 12V v2.92 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817171056


Get the Seasonic or the AX1200i if they're available where you live. Avoid Cooler Master power supplies at all costs. If there's a store you're buying from - Newegg won't ship to Portugal - check the link in my signature.
January 11, 2013 8:01:13 PM

So far so good. :) 

I had the same ideia about the Asus Rampage IV Extreme X79 as for the i7-3970X but wanted to hear some other opinions.

As for the RAM, for sure the Corsair Dominator Platinum seems a bit expensive and i'm not sure if it makes much difference comparing to other brands.
Kingston is the brand that I always considered to be very reliable but now that I've been reading alot I'm not sure which are better / recommended.

Are there any other 32GB (4x8GB) recomended memory kits? For example G.SKILL 32GB 1866-8 TRIDENTX versus Kingston 32GB 1866-10 XMP Beast?


I'll check the other SSD's but i'm wondering if is it worth to have an SSD for the OS, 2x HDD for Raid 1 setup and a smaller SSD for ASUS SSD CACHING. Anyone knows if the SSD CACHING from Asus is worth a try?


And what about the Seasonic X-1050W vs Corsair AX1200i? Do I need 1000W+ PSU for this build?
I might look at dual GTX690 on the future so I think I might be better with a high class PSU.


One last question:

Should I go with 1x Asus GTX 690 4GB or 2x SAPPHIRE Vapor-X 7970 GHz Edition 6GB GDDR5..
Its 2GB memory from the GTX versus 6GB from the SAPPHIRE but I have no ideia if that will help me on 3D Max or if it's just good for connecting many many monitors for gamming.

Since i'm using 3D Studio Max and Adobe Software the CUDA cores from Nvidia is better?


Thanks.



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January 12, 2013 12:09:01 AM

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I had the same ideia about the Asus Rampage IV Extreme X79 as for the i7-3970X but wanted to hear some other opinions.


Yeah you're better off putting that money elsewhere - I'd suggest using that toward getting a 256GB OCZ Vector or Samsung 840 Pro.

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As for the RAM, for sure the Corsair Dominator Platinum seems a bit expensive and i'm not sure if it makes much difference comparing to other brands.
Kingston is the brand that I always considered to be very reliable but now that I've been reading alot I'm not sure which are better / recommended.

Are there any other 32GB (4x8GB) recomended memory kits? For example G.SKILL 32GB 1866-8 TRIDENTX versus Kingston 32GB 1866-10 XMP Beast?


RAM is just not the place to spend hundreds on a build. If you're setting up a RAM disk - and if you're using heavy duty rendering applications I'd recommend going that route over setting up a SSD cache. You'll see a significant speed increase that way.

Here's a couple of sets that I would recommend:

- G Skill Ripjaw Z: http://www.chiptec.net/incs/verproduto.php?id=12072&ses...
- Mushkin Redline: http://www.kuantokusta.pt/img_upload/produtos_informati...
- Corsair Vengeance: http://www.kuantokusta.pt/1/220379/Corsair-16GB-PC3-128...

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I'll check the other SSD's but i'm wondering if is it worth to have an SSD for the OS, 2x HDD for Raid 1 setup and a smaller SSD for ASUS SSD CACHING. Anyone knows if the SSD CACHING from Asus is worth a try?


Nah, I'd go with a RAM disk over setting up an SSD cache - it's far faster: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ram_disk

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And what about the Seasonic X-1050W vs Corsair AX1200i? Do I need 1000W+ PSU for this build?
I might look at dual GTX690 on the future so I think I might be better with a high class PSU.


They're both excellent power supplies. I like the AX1200i because of the Corsair Link software but I hear it's not quite ready for Prime Time. The Seasonic X1050 is a great choice as well - you can't go wrong either way.

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Should I go with 1x Asus GTX 690 4GB or 2x SAPPHIRE Vapor-X 7970 GHz Edition 6GB GDDR5..
Its 2GB memory from the GTX versus 6GB from the SAPPHIRE but I have no ideia if that will help me on 3D Max or if it's just good for connecting many many monitors for gamming.


For rendering I'd actually go with a dual GTX 670 setup over any of those choices. You will benefit from the CUDA cores on the NVIDIA cards - but spending over €950 for a single video card is kind of ridiculous when you could get the dual 670 setup - it performs almost the same and is €200 less.
January 12, 2013 1:32:11 PM

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Yeah you're better off putting that money elsewhere - I'd suggest using that toward getting a 256GB OCZ Vector or Samsung 840 Pro.


http://www.moddingworld.pt/loja/ate-360gb/21568-ocz-vec...
http://www.moddingworld.pt/loja/ate-360gb/20252-samsung...

Been checking them and theire about the same price. Maybe I'll pick the 840 Pro cause of Samsung's reliability.. As I read in some forums that OCZ sometimes has firmware problems.

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RAM is just not the place to spend hundreds on a build. If you're setting up a RAM disk - and if you're using heavy duty rendering applications I'd recommend going that route over setting up a SSD cache. You'll see a significant speed increase that way.

Here's a couple of sets that I would recommend:

- G Skill Ripjaw Z: http://www.chiptec.net/incs/verpro [...] 4d81aa1d8a
- Mushkin Redline: http://www.kuantokusta.pt/img_uplo [...] 993996.jpg
- Corsair Vengeance: http://www.kuantokusta.pt/1/220379 [...] 3M4A1600C9


Nice to see you've been looking at portuguese websites.. eheh.
Well.. since I will use this build for alot of 3D CPU renderings and modeling I'll prefer to go for a 32GB (4x8GB) configuration and I'll keep 4 free slots for a possible future expansion to 64GB.

First time I heard about RAM Disk.. long time without thinking on building a new PC. But for sure it looks amazing for cache, just need to check how to setup it properly and how much RAM Disk is enough.

If anyone has something more about this I would apreciate.

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They're both excellent power supplies. I like the AX1200i because of the Corsair Link software but I hear it's not quite ready for Prime Time. The Seasonic X1050 is a great choice as well - you can't go wrong either way.


There's also the SeaSonic Platinum-1000 1000W thats between those other two and looks very good. 1000W is enough for this build even if i get 2X GTX670, isn't it?

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For rendering I'd actually go with a dual GTX 670 setup over any of those choices. You will benefit from the CUDA cores on the NVIDIA cards - but spending over €950 for a single video card is kind of ridiculous when you could get the dual 670 setup - it performs almost the same and is €200 less.


As you said I could go, for example, for 2X EVGA 4GB GTX670 FTW or 2X ASUS 4GB GTX670-DC2 but then i'll have a problem with my monitor, the Apple 24'' LED Cinema Display.
I already have this monitor, that I use with my Macbook Pro, and would like to use it with this build but it has the downside of just having a MALE Mini-Displayport connector... So I would need a FEMALE Mini-DP on the GPU or else I will need to use something like this DisplayPort to Mini DisplayPort Video Cable Adapter and i'm not sure its a good ideia do use it.

Thats why I was thinking about the GTX690 cause apart of beeing a very good GPU it has a Mini-DP Female connector, but it has the downside of beeing expensive. But if I go for those GTX670 X 2 its arround 960€ in Protugal versus the 990€ for the GTX 690.. The only advantage to the 670 SLI seems to be the 4GB memory.

Correct me if i'm wrong.

And thanks for this replies.. looks you're the only one willing to comment. :p 
January 12, 2013 1:49:57 PM

DeXt said:
And thanks for this replies.. looks you're the only one willing to comment. :p 


Not the only one :D 
Just the only one to have found your thread so far.

I'l reference to this thread I participated in recently and looks to be oriented toward what your after.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/377755-31-building-hi...
While it does get bogged down a bit with monitor discussions towards the middle, it overs pretty much what your going after.

EDIT: Just realized you have already been linked to that thread...
January 12, 2013 2:05:13 PM

At the moment I'll probably go for:

CPU: Intel Core I7-3930K 555,99€

CPU Cooler: Corsair Cooling Hydro Series H100i 116,55€

MOBO: ASUS P9X79 WS 351,24€

RAM: G.SKILL 32GB 1866-910 RIPJAWSX 192,38€ or Corsair 32GB 1866-9 Vengeance 196,62€ or KINGSTON 32GB 1866-10 XMP BEAST 263,10€

GPU: ASUS GTX 690 4Gb 992,65€ or EVGA 4GB GTX670 FTW SLI 949,42€

PSU: SEASONIC P-1000 PLATINUM 1000W 268,57€

SSD (OS): SAMSUNG 256GB 840PRO 261,54€

HDD (RAID 1): 2X WESTERN DIGITAL 2TB BLACK SATA 3 169,32€


CASE: CORSAIR OBSIDIAN 550D 141,70€ or CORSAIR OBSIDIAN 650D BLACK 172,85€

TOTAL: +- 3300€ (4 401USD)

Comments? :) 
January 12, 2013 2:10:59 PM

Looks good to me.

Though I'm wondering why you are considering such powerful graphics for a 1080p display?
January 12, 2013 4:16:12 PM

DeXt said:
At the moment I'll probably go for:

CPU: Intel Core I7-3930K 555,99€

CPU Cooler: Corsair Cooling Hydro Series H100i 116,55€

MOBO: ASUS P9X79 WS 351,24€

RAM: G.SKILL 32GB 1866-910 RIPJAWSX 192,38€ or Corsair 32GB 1866-9 Vengeance 196,62€ or KINGSTON 32GB 1866-10 XMP BEAST 263,10€

GPU: ASUS GTX 690 4Gb 992,65€ or EVGA 4GB GTX670 FTW SLI 949,42€

PSU: SEASONIC P-1000 PLATINUM 1000W 268,57€

SSD (OS): SAMSUNG 256GB 840PRO 261,54€

HDD (RAID 1): 2X WESTERN DIGITAL 2TB BLACK SATA 3 169,32€


CASE: CORSAIR OBSIDIAN 550D 141,70€ or CORSAIR OBSIDIAN 650D BLACK 172,85€

TOTAL: +- 3300€ (4 401USD)

Comments? :) 


Go with a Noctua D14 instead of an H100i: http://www.moddingworld.pt/loja/processador/13558-noctu...

Otherwise I'd say that's a solid system, go for it.
January 12, 2013 4:20:32 PM

manofchalk said:
Looks good to me.

Though I'm wondering why you are considering such powerful graphics for a 1080p display?



Dunno if I'm thinking properly but the main reasons are:

Nvidia GPU for CUDA support;
Mini-displayport support on the GPU;
Future-proof.

Dual GTX 670 or even just one GTX 680 might be enough for nowadays games but then I'll have a problem with how to connect the Apple LED Cinema Display to it. Wouldn't I have problems with the adapter posted before? Mini-DP Female to DP Male.
January 12, 2013 4:41:50 PM

g-unit1111 said:
Go with a Noctua D14 instead of an H100i: http://www.moddingworld.pt/loja/processador/13558-noctu...

Otherwise I'd say that's a solid system, go for it.


Doesn't the H100i manages to get lower temps? I just dont like that it covers most motherboard and access to RAM slots. A matter of appearence.

What about those 3 RAMS? Worth to go to the more expensive Kingston Beast or just stay with the Ripjaws / Vengeance?

And the HDDs? I read somewhere that Seagate Barracuda ones were better choices?


Still need to decide about the Case. Do you guys think this sistem will make much noise? I will have it below a desk in the living room and my biggest concern is the noise, I like the looks of the 650D better but I saw alot of good reviews and awards on the 550D which I can have the option to go silent or take the covers to have more airflow.

January 12, 2013 4:52:59 PM

manofchalk said:
Not the only one :D 
Just the only one to have found your thread so far.

I'l reference to this thread I participated in recently and looks to be oriented toward what your after.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/377755-31-building-hi...
While it does get bogged down a bit with monitor discussions towards the middle, it overs pretty much what your going after.

EDIT: Just realized you have already been linked to that thread...


Eheh.. yeh I read that one. One thing I wonder about that build, he uses one SSD for the OS and Work Software instalation, another SSD for Games and a HDD for bulk storage.

Is it worth to have this build or am I fine with a SSD for OS (and maybe my most used software) and 2 HDD's for bulk storage in Raid 1?


Just saw your watercooling solution, looks very nice and you get some good temps on that. But might be a bit too much pro for me?! Or is that easy nowadays? :) 

Imagining that something can go wrong with the fittings and it can leak water to the components makes me crazy! :p 

January 12, 2013 5:03:22 PM

One more thing.. may I just keep the Windows 8 Pro I own or just buy an OEM Windows 7 Pro? :p 
January 12, 2013 5:07:23 PM

DeXt said:
Doesn't the H100i manages to get lower temps? I just dont like that it covers most motherboard and access to RAM slots. A matter of appearence.

What about those 3 RAMS? Worth to go to the more expensive Kingston Beast or just stay with the Ripjaws / Vengeance?

And the HDDs? I read somewhere that Seagate Barracuda ones were better choices?


Still need to decide about the Case. Do you guys think this sistem will make much noise? I will have it below a desk in the living room and my biggest concern is the noise, I like the looks of the 650D better but I saw alot of good reviews and awards on the 550D which I can have the option to go silent or take the covers to have more airflow.


1. The Corsair Link software is a cool idea but it's not really ready for prime time. Here's a couple of reviews about it that would give you a better idea:

- http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/h100i-elc240-seidon...
- http://www.anandtech.com/show/6530/closing-the-loop-con...

2. As far as the RAM goes - again I won't say that's the place to blow tons of money on a build. If you're setting up a RAM disk and you need reliable RAM that's one thing but if not then you only really need just basic RAM - get the G.Skill.

3. There's only two companies producing hard drives anymore - personally I'd pick the Western Digital Caviar Black but it's pretty much a pick your poison type of situation.

January 12, 2013 5:28:25 PM

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1. The Corsair Link software is a cool idea but it's not really ready for prime time. Here's a couple of reviews about it that would give you a better idea:

- http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/h100i-elc240-seidon...
- http://www.anandtech.com/show/6530/closing-the-loop-con...


This is the thing that scares me too "Unfortunately, if we accidentally knock our PC over, the NH-D14 might very well break our motherboard. Never mind trying to figure out the best way to ship it, installed, across the country." from the review on Tom's Hardware.
I never know what my housemaid might do when cleaning.. lol.. but in the second review they say H80i does nearly the same as H100i.

Now I dont know what to do. :p 
Does Noctua NH-D14 has space below for having higher height RAM modules or I need to choose some low profile ones?

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2. As far as the RAM goes - again I won't say that's the place to blow tons of money on a build. If you're setting up a RAM disk and you need reliable RAM that's one thing but if not then you only really need just basic RAM - get the G.Skill.


I'm really interested in the RAM Disk, so I should get a more reliable RAM like which? :) 

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3. There's only two companies producing hard drives anymore - personally I'd pick the Western Digital Caviar Black but it's pretty much a pick your poison type of situation.


Yeh I might go for que Western Digital, it always been my first choice even for extern HDDs so i'll stick to it then.
January 12, 2013 10:58:53 PM

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This is the thing that scares me too "Unfortunately, if we accidentally knock our PC over, the NH-D14 might very well break our motherboard. Never mind trying to figure out the best way to ship it, installed, across the country." from the review on Tom's Hardware.
I never know what my housemaid might do when cleaning.. lol.. but in the second review they say H80i does nearly the same as H100i.



Huh, I had never heard that aspect of the D14 before - I know it's a gigantic beast of a cooler but it's far superior to closed liquid loops. If you get a case with the interior room for it - which the HAF 932 does - you won't have that problem.

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Now I dont know what to do. :p 
Does Noctua NH-D14 has space below for having higher height RAM modules or I need to choose some low profile ones?


Yes - you will need low profile RAM if you're using a D14 - which is why you won't be able to use the Corsair Dominator or any tall G.Skill RAMl.

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I'm really interested in the RAM Disk, so I should get a more reliable RAM like which? :) 


Corsair, G.Skill, Crucial, and Kingston are generally the most reliable.
January 13, 2013 12:48:00 AM

DeXt said:
Eheh.. yeh I read that one. One thing I wonder about that build, he uses one SSD for the OS and Work Software instalation, another SSD for Games and a HDD for bulk storage.

Is it worth to have this build or am I fine with a SSD for OS (and maybe my most used software) and 2 HDD's for bulk storage in Raid 1?

Just saw your watercooling solution, looks very nice and you get some good temps on that. But might be a bit too much pro for me?! Or is that easy nowadays? :) 

Imagining that something can go wrong with the fittings and it can leak water to the components makes me crazy! :p 


You should be fine either way. His storage config is the same as yours plus an SSD.

Physically dis/assmebling a water-cooling loop isn't overly difficult, just time consuming as you want to make absolute sure that it wont leak on you. The hardest bit about water-cooling is deciding on the components, which is covered for you if you decide to go the kit option like I and SkruDe did.

There is every possibility that something can go wrong and drown your parts, but the vast majority of those possibilities involves user error. As long as you do things properly and are vigilant while doing it, there wont be any issues with leaking. There's a reason why its recommended you leak test the system for a few hours every time you pull apart the loop.
January 13, 2013 1:55:01 PM

Hum.. nice. I really like those kits but my concern now comes with the case.. Been seeing alot of reviews about cases and the Corsair 550D convinced me. I really like the professional looks, simplicity, good construction and quietness.

Now the problem is.. if I go with this case, can I fit, for example, a XSPC kit with a 240 radiator, since 360 rad wont fit?
Would this worth it or in that case it will do as well as a NH-D4 or a H100i / H80i?

I like the looks of the 550D with H80i in here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv1RXdeLU5o

But I want the best cooling to be able to get a high stable overclock in this case, preferably without taking off the top and side "fan panel cover".
January 13, 2013 2:19:20 PM

You can fit a 240mm rad in that case.

How it will perform in that particular case I do not know, for all I know the airflow might be insufficient for the dual 120mm fans. But assuming airflow isnt an issue, it should perform better than a H100i or a NH-D14.

Though given your sudden shift toward wanting silence and to keep the fan mount covers on, then get the NH-D14. By adding in a water-cooling pump you are introducing another potential source of noise, and in my experience of the pump/res that comes with these kits, it does produce a noticeable low drone. Packing the pump/res with some felt tabs did help a lot with that, but it is still noticeable.
January 13, 2013 6:25:14 PM

Think i'll do that.. some last questions while I'm trying to make the final decision:

1. I already own a Windows 8 Pro copy, should I use it in this build or order a Windows 7 Pro? Dunno the pros & cons and if it makes much difference..

2. I've always searched for RAM at 1866Mhz just because it seems to be a good speed over 1600Mhz and yet not "unstable" but I dont understand all this very well..
Since i'm thinking on going for the Asus P9X79 WS motherboard and it says it has "8 x DIMM, Max. 64GB, DDR3 2400(O.C.)/2133(O.C.)/1866/1600/1333/1066 MHz ECC, Non-ECC, Un-buffered" which speed should I get?
What about the XMP profile for the ram.. should I get one that suports XMP? :) 

3. I don't need a Raid Card for the Raid 1 between 2 HDDs, right? I supose the mobo does that.

4. One thing I've been asking is about the GPU. As I said before I think CUDA support its good for my workflow and my monitor requires a Mini-Displayport Female on the GPU and the only ones that have it is the GTX 690 and ATI GPUs, if money didn't matter, would you go for the GTX? Or should I use this DisplayPort to Mini DisplayPort Video Cable Adapter and go for a GTX 680 4GB or 670?.

5. Found an offer on an 265GB OCZ Vertex 4 SSD for 278USD and the 840 Pro its arround 350USD, should I just go for the Vertex?

Thanks all. :) 
January 14, 2013 12:04:09 AM

1. Stick with Windows 8, no reason to buy a new OS if you have one.

2. Those mobo specs basically say that you can put any speed you want in. I recommend sticking with 1600Mhz CL9, that being said if you can find an 1866Mhz CL10 or 9 kit that's running on 1.5v, might as well get the faster one.
All RAM has an XMP profile.

3. If you were looking at higher levels of RAID like 5, 6 or 10 then you would need a RAID card to get good performance. RAID1 and 0 isnt anything "tricky" so it doesn't stress the CPU too much.

4. I would use the adapter, you wont lose image quality as all that's happening is the Displayport "wire" is just becoming smaller, no signal change is happening. CHances are whatever card you get will come with one as well, my Sapphire 7870 had an adapter to make a Mini-DP port to a full.

5. The 840 Pro is the better SSD, but not $60 better. Go with the Vertex.
January 14, 2013 5:10:24 AM

Quote:

2. I've always searched for RAM at 1866Mhz just because it seems to be a good speed over 1600Mhz and yet not "unstable" but I dont understand all this very well..
Since i'm thinking on going for the Asus P9X79 WS motherboard and it says it has "8 x DIMM, Max. 64GB, DDR3 2400(O.C.)/2133(O.C.)/1866/1600/1333/1066 MHz ECC, Non-ECC, Un-buffered" which speed should I get?


Most motherboards won't allow the high speeds without overclocking - and that's something that isn't very well advised as it can lead to system instability and failure.

Quote:
3. I don't need a Raid Card for the Raid 1 between 2 HDDs, right? I supose the mobo does that.


Yeah RAID 0 and 1 is handled by the motherboard, everything else you would need an extra card.

Quote:
4. One thing I've been asking is about the GPU. As I said before I think CUDA support its good for my workflow and my monitor requires a Mini-Displayport Female on the GPU and the only ones that have it is the GTX 690 and ATI GPUs, if money didn't matter, would you go for the GTX? Or should I use this DisplayPort to Mini DisplayPort Video Cable Adapter and go for a GTX 680 4GB or 670?.


What kind of monitor are you using that it would require a mini DP? Most either use DVI-D or HDMI.

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5. Found an offer on an 265GB OCZ Vertex 4 SSD for 278USD and the 840 Pro its arround 350USD, should I just go for the Vertex?


The Vertex 4 is an excellent SSD - I have the 128GB model and I can vouch for it. However if you're considering the 840 Pro, you'd be very wise to at least consider the OCZ Vector - the controller can match or beat the proprietary controller on the 840 Pro: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/vector-ssd-review,3...
January 15, 2013 7:20:17 PM

Then "2400(O.C.)/2133(O.C.)/1866/1600/1333/1066" means that just the two top speeds need overclock and so if I get the 1866 it will use then as normal, right?

Quote:
What kind of monitor are you using that it would require a mini DP? Most either use DVI-D or HDMI.


We'll I wrote before that I wanted to keep my Apple 24'' LED Cinema Display and it only has Mini-DP.. :p 

Hum.. one friend told me to go for an Asus Duak Socket Z9PE-D8 with 2x Intel Xeon Six-Core E5-2620 2GHz 15MB Sk2011. What do you guys think? 2GHz seem a bit low but at the same time its 6 more cores. Is it worth? :p 


January 17, 2013 2:37:45 PM

Well.. since one told me that I would be better with a Dual Xeon config I've done this two build to compare prices.. Dual Xeon E5-2620 (2X 6 Cores 2GHz) vs i7-3930k (6 Cores 4.5GHz O.C.).


I'm questioning if the 2GHz from the Xeon isn't a bit slow for everyday usage, work and gamming. Would I only take full profit of the 12 real cores during rendering? Isn't the 4.5GHz O.C.ed Core i7 better for everyday use while loosing some rendering power / cores?

Here it is:




In the lower pannel I inserted some components that i'm not sure which ones to get. Explaining:

GPU - Asus GTX 680 Direct CU II 4GB VS Asus GTX 680 Direct CU II TOP 2GB the first with more memory versus the second with more clock speed..

Memória RAM - About Low profile RAM's from 32GB (4x 8GB) to 64GB (8x 8GB) I only found G.Skill RipjawsX with 1866Mhz and the others with 1600Mhz. Kingston seems to have the lower latencies.

CPU Cooler - Indecision between Phanteks PH-TC14PE / Noctua NH-D14 / Thermalright Silver Arrow SB-E Extreme

PSU - Indecision between Seasonic Platinum 860W OR Corsair AX860i.

Please comment! Thanks. :) 
January 18, 2013 4:09:02 PM

No comments.. :/  eheh
January 21, 2013 3:08:58 PM

Anyone?
January 21, 2013 10:19:59 PM

GPU - Go with the 2GB model, you dont need 4GB of VRAM unless your playing on uber resolutions.

CPU Cooler: DOnt think you will notice much of a difference between them, being the the top-tier air coolers available. Pick the one you like the look of (so that rules the Noctua out :lol: ).

PSU: Seasonic, if given the option always Seasonic.
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