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January 12, 2013 10:08:43 AM

Hello all: Fairly new to forum, but so far you guys are great. Just put together a nice build for my sister, now Grams wants a new cheap desktop. Here is what I have so far. This computer is used for nothing but surfing internet, playing solitaire, checking email, etc.. 1st Priority is dependability. 2nd priority is to make it up gradable in the future (3 plus years from now).

I have 2 build I put together, which one is best in your opinion. Budget is $200, and very strict. Less money the better.

Have windows 7 . Not needed
Have a monitor.
have a 500 GB seagate 7200RPM
have a DVD RW drive

1st:
CPU: Pentium G645 2.9GHz ($50 @ microcenter)
http://www.microcenter.com/product/398114/Pentium_G645_...
Mobo: Biostar H77MU3 LGA 1155 mATX ($60 @ microcenter)
GPU: integrated w/G645
PSU: Corsair 430 Watt builders ($35 @ newegg)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Ram: Kingston Value 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 10660) ($28 @ newegg)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Case: Powerspec TX-606 mATX Mini-Tower Computer Case ($25 @ microcenter)
http://www.microcenter.com/product/342573/TX-606_mATX_M...

Total $198.00

PRO's IMO: Board support sata 3 for SSD upgrade later, USB 3.0, H77 chipset for future upgrade to ivy bridge CPU.
CON's IMO: Biostar mobo, CPU only supports DDR3 10660. *This is why I only chose 4 gb of ram. Can upgrade to 8gb when/if CPU is every updated.

2nd build:
CPU: FX 4100 Black Edition 3.6GHz Quad-Core ($90 @ microcenter)
http://www.microcenter.com/product/376784/FX_4100_Black...
Mobo: GA-78LMT-S2P Socket AM3+ 760G ($free /with CPU @ microcenter)
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.aspx?...
GPU: integrated on mobo (hd 3000)
PSU: Corsair 430 Watt builders ($35 @ newegg)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Ram: Kingston Value 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 10660) ($28 @ newegg)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Case: Powerspec TX-606 mATX Mini-Tower Computer Case ($25 @ microcenter)
http://www.microcenter.com/product/342573/TX-606_mATX_M...

Total: 178

PRO's: Cheaper, gigabyte mobo
Con's: No USB 3.0 (can always add a cheap pci card later). Not sata 3 (from what I understand, even if I added a SSD later there is not much real world difference between 3gb/s and 6gb/s. I don't know.

Any help in choosing would be appreciated. Thank you very much in advance. I am leaning more towards the Intel build, but wanted to get some opinions first.

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January 12, 2013 10:24:36 AM

First one has better perspective for upgrades in the future. I would go with it.
You can consider changing the mainboard to AsRock b75m. It's a very nice board, currently $65 @ amazon.
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January 12, 2013 10:26:18 AM

Would go with the Intel build as well for the upgrade options.

Theres no difference between SATA II and III when using a HDD, but on an SSD there is a big difference. Its actually gotten to a point pretty soon SSD's are going to be limited SATAIII, we will have to start using PCI slots to provide adequate bandwidth for SSD's.
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January 12, 2013 10:43:45 AM

Bejusek said:
First one has better perspective for upgrades in the future. I would go with it.
You can consider changing the mainboard to AsRock b75m. It's a very nice board, currently $65 @ amazon.


The B75 chipset does not support the Intel Rapid Storage Technology. Do you know anything about this? Is it designed for SSD's? Does it really make a diff? I would much rather use AsRock mobo. I really appreciate the suggestion, i am just curious if I would be better off with the H77 if I ever went to a SSD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_1155
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January 12, 2013 10:52:23 AM

From the looks of it RST is mainly a method of setting up RAID arrays where you already have data on one of the drives. I dont think this will concern your grandmother much.
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January 12, 2013 11:11:52 AM

As manofchalk said RST is used for RAID setups and offers some features like smart cacheing.
SSD are designed to work with SATA interface, and it is not important what software are you using. SSDs are compatible with AMD solutions, aren't they ;) ?
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January 12, 2013 11:16:26 AM

They are compatible with SATAII (as this particular AMD board only has, the 990 series has SATAIII), just that modern SSD's will be limited to ~300MB/s. Still a lot faster than a HDD, but on SATAIII that drive would get closer to 500MB/s.

Yeah SSD's are compatible with AMD.
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January 12, 2013 11:22:51 AM

The 2nd build is an FX chip. That doesn't have any built on graphics, nevermind HD3000 like you said. If you're going AMD, you need an A8-chip and FM2 socket for integrated video.
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January 12, 2013 11:35:04 AM

The motherboard has built in graphics, not the chip.
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January 12, 2013 11:48:30 AM

Yea, its probably going to be horrible.

I guess his grandma will have to lower some settings while pwning noobs in BF3 :lol: 
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January 12, 2013 11:51:16 AM

On the 2nd build for GPU, I meant the ATI Radeon 3000 integrated in motherboard. Sorry i typed HD 3000, which is the intel CPU/GPU. Sorry.
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January 12, 2013 11:52:11 AM

manofchalk said:
Yea, its probably going to be horrible.

I guess his grandma will have to lower some settings while pwning noobs in BF3 :lol: 


lololol
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January 12, 2013 11:53:26 AM

You Guys rock. Can only select one best Answer, but imo there all best. Thanks!
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January 12, 2013 11:55:30 AM

I agree that the Intel build is better. It consumes very low power, the AMD FX uses more power.
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January 12, 2013 11:56:30 AM

Bejusek said:
First one has better perspective for upgrades in the future. I would go with it.
You can consider changing the mainboard to AsRock b75m. It's a very nice board, currently $65 @ amazon.


Thanks for Mobo advice. will prob do that. Not a fan of BioStar. had a few bad experiences. I has one sata 3 port, but thats really all I need.
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January 12, 2013 11:57:04 AM

Best answer selected by lindy11.
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January 12, 2013 11:59:58 AM

getochkn said:
ATI 3000 chip, not HD3000. HD3000 is an intel only support by their K processors. That ATI 3000 is probably going to be horrible. lol.


From Gigabyte's website -> Integrated ATI Radeon HD 3000 graphics (DirectX10)
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January 12, 2013 12:04:29 PM

I'd like to present an alternative

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD A4-5300 3.4GHz Dual-Core Processor ($49.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: ASRock FM2A75M-DGS Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard ($60.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Smart Tracer 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $160.94
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-12 09:03 EST-0500)

You can keep the case you had planned.
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January 12, 2013 12:17:44 PM

FinneousPJ said:
I'd like to present an alternative

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD A4-5300 3.4GHz Dual-Core Processor ($49.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: ASRock FM2A75M-DGS Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard ($60.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Smart Tracer 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $160.94
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-12 09:03 EST-0500)

You can keep the case you had planned.


Thank you. Looking at i now.
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January 12, 2013 12:19:44 PM

Bejusek said:
First one has better perspective for upgrades in the future. I would go with it.
You can consider changing the mainboard to AsRock b75m. It's a very nice board, currently $65 @ amazon.


I found this. http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?p=MB-B75MGDS&c=fr&s...

50 bucks. This should work right. I am concerned about the CPU support. I can look into that though.
Has less expansion slots, but that doesn't matter to me.
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January 12, 2013 1:28:38 PM

Less expansion slots and only one sata3 port, only 2 usb 3.0 on rear panel and no hdmi.
It should do fine nonetheless.
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