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November 28, 2012 7:27:24 PM

Hi everyone,

I am currently trying to decide on a new graphics card to replace my PowerColor HD 6670 which just can't cut it in 1080p at decent settings.

My PSU is Cooler Master eXtreme Power 500W

My CPU is an Intel i3 2100

Here's the two that I am really interested in:
MSI Overclocked Radeon HD 7850 - £131.74
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 650 Ti Overclocked - £117.18

The main thing I am worrying about is the PSU. It is powering my current rig perfectly but I am worried that it may not be able to power one of these cards at full load.

Does anyone have any advice?

Thanks.

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November 28, 2012 7:33:21 PM

I will want to overclock the card I get but I am worried that my PSU might not be able to handle it if it is overclocked.

My resolution is 1920 x 1080.

It will be mostly gaming but some Photoshop and 3D animation.

Mobo: P8 Z68 VLX

Ram: 8gb 1333mhz

Sorry, I just read the sticky on asking advice for graphics card upgrades.
a c 109 U Graphics card
November 28, 2012 7:35:55 PM

That psu is really crappy but for a 7850 it will do, it has dual rail +12v 16a, it will at least draw 192w, the 7850 maximum will be 125w : http://tpucdn.com/reviews/MSI/HD_7850_Power_Edition/ima...
And for the card i'd go for the 7850, much better performance in 1080p and ocs better.
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a c 109 U Graphics card
November 28, 2012 7:48:11 PM

Yes that was the maximum draw wattage output from the card when overclocked 125w.
It will give about those fps in the chart (although the drivers have changed much since that chart, you can expect some more fps).
November 28, 2012 7:52:48 PM

Great, can't wait...gonna order it now. I noticed there was also a two year warranty, so win-win like lol
a c 109 U Graphics card
November 28, 2012 7:56:55 PM

For me the 7850 1GB is the new 6870, great bang for the buck for people with lower budgets.
Too bad nvidia failed with the 650 ti.
November 28, 2012 8:00:08 PM

I know, I saw a lot of bad reviews, I don't think it even out performs the 550 Ti by much. I think the 7-series AMD cards are better than the 6-series Nvidea cards. Maybe not on high-end, but on low-mid range.
November 29, 2012 2:38:56 PM

Hi, I know you said that my PSU would be able to handle the overclocking but I saw that the 2gb version was £20 more and it has the Twin Frozr fans too.

Will the 2gig version require more amps or wattage? Would it be worth getting anyway? Could I overclock the same amount as the one gig version?

Thanks.
a c 291 U Graphics card
November 29, 2012 2:48:06 PM

djangoringo said:
For me the 7850 1GB is the new 6870, great bang for the buck for people with lower budgets.
Too bad nvidia failed with the 650 ti.


GTX 650 Ti isn't a fail. GTX 650 is, however. GTX 650 Ti is much faster than HD 7770 while being just a bit more expensive.
a c 109 U Graphics card
November 29, 2012 3:20:04 PM

No the 2gb has the same requirements as the 1GB, as for the twin frozr it is the same or lower as in the chart (it was tested with a msi power edition)

Well for me the 650 ti is a fail, it is at the same price as the 7850 1GB and the 7850 mops the floor in every game vs 650 ti, it's overpriced and much more expensive than the 7770, now there is some 650 ti in newegg that after rebate competes with price as a 7770(there was also a card at 69$) but overall in all shops around the world 650 ti has the same price as a 7850 1GB and the 7770 is much more cheaper
For 1080p gaming the 650 ti just disappoints vs 7850.
a c 291 U Graphics card
November 29, 2012 4:50:25 PM

HD 7850 is much more expensive than GTX 650 Ti. Find HD 7850 for $130 pls :D .
a c 291 U Graphics card
November 29, 2012 5:09:41 PM

Pounds isn't quite the same as dollars... Anyway, @OP: If you can afford the HD 7850, go for it. It's much faster than GTX 650 Ti.
November 29, 2012 5:14:46 PM

Yeah, thanks. I am going to go for it. I know that Dabs are cheap, but did you ever look up the reviews for them. They are awful. Terrible customer service apparently so I think I will stick with Scan because very few people seem to have problems with them.

Thanks.
November 29, 2012 5:30:38 PM

mmccreesh1 said:
Yeah, thanks. I am going to go for it. I know that Dabs are cheap, but did you ever look up the reviews for them. They are awful. Terrible customer service apparently so I think I will stick with Scan because very few people seem to have problems with them.

Thanks.


I've been having trouble with a £350+ bundle i bought from Scan. They've pretty much refused to take back the items and i've only had them 10 months.
November 29, 2012 6:01:39 PM

mmccreesh1 said:
Really? Maybe it's just a one-off because this is one of the best reviews I've seen from a computer parts store: http://www.trustpilot.co.uk/review/www.scan.co.uk

Even Overclockers has a worse score and they're meant to be the best: http://www.trustpilot.co.uk/review/www.overclockers.co....

Dabs on the other hand: http://www.trustpilot.co.uk/review/www.dabs.com lol


Having purchased through all of these retailers I'd also rate scan the highest.

However as I've mentioned I'm hitting a wall with my current return/warranty.

Plus the fact I got free 1st class postage for life with scan is a real bonus.
November 29, 2012 6:30:44 PM

I have to ask, how did you get free 1st class postage for life? lol
November 29, 2012 7:03:05 PM

mmccreesh1 said:
I have to ask, how did you get free 1st class postage for life? lol


There was a promotion about three ~ four years ago where if you signed up using a promotional code you got free 1st class postage for life.

Edit: Think you had to make an initial spend too, can't remember how much though. I've bought more or less 90% of my components for my last two major builds from scan. They've probably had near £1,000 off me in the last five years.
December 4, 2012 6:25:47 PM

Hi, sorry for the delay. I ordered the 7850 Twin Frozr 2gb edition. I got it from Overclockers because it was a bit cheaper. Should be arriving tomorrow. Can't wait to get it installed! I was thinking that I might upgrade my CPU next year but my mobo's specifications says it only for 2nd gen Intel CPU's so does that mean an Ivy Bridge wouldn't work in it? Thanks.
a c 109 U Graphics card
December 4, 2012 6:35:41 PM

Which mobo ? but probably will do with a bios update for ivybridge cpus.
a c 109 U Graphics card
December 4, 2012 6:51:44 PM

Yes, you can add later that cpu, 100% compatible, you just need to flash the bios with the latest version.
And the psu, i recommend the xfx 550w, it's a good one when you'll have the money.
a c 109 U Graphics card
December 4, 2012 7:25:21 PM

Yes, that one is really a good quality psu, it can do crossfire with two 7850 with no worries.
December 5, 2012 2:48:42 PM

Hi, the graphics card arrived today and it seems to be working fine. But I can't unlock voltage control in Afterburner? I ticked both the boxes "unlock voltage control" and "unlock voltage monitoring" but it still greys out the slider and i cant use it. I have the latest version of afterburner 2.3.0

Any ideas?

Thanks.
December 5, 2012 6:33:48 PM

I was reading around and I don't think this card has voltage control, oh well, doesn't matter that much anyway.

I am getting great frame rates in Far Cry 3, Very High Settings, 2x MSAA...45 frames average. DX11
a c 109 U Graphics card
December 5, 2012 6:58:23 PM

So it's locked? most of the cards 7850 1GB can do overclock.
But i guess they overclocked from factory and locked away.
Still it' a good card, it's the most cheap card that can handles any game @1080p dx11 ultra.
December 5, 2012 8:55:25 PM

yh i might try and mess around with the core and memory a bit, see how far i can push it, temps only go to 50 max, and thats the core at 975, memory at 1200
December 5, 2012 10:39:38 PM

Okay, found a stable frequency for both.

Core clock: 1000mhz (+100 increase)

Mem clock: 1281mhz (+81 increase)

I'm happy enough with that. Some people got it further but this is the most i can take mine.

One thing I notice is a slight screen flicker when playing games. This was happening before the OC so that isn't the cause. I think the cause is that I am using a DVI to VGA converter so I ordered a DVI cable. Should be here friday. My monitor is the AOC F22+.
December 6, 2012 11:26:34 AM

Hi, today the graphics card is acting very strangely because the FPS is games has basically halfed. I have reset the speeds back to stock which didn't make a difference.

In Black Ops 2, I was getting a constant 60 but now all I can get is 30 at best and it drops drastically to 15-20 during any sort of fight scene. Settings are ultra.

In Planetside 2, during intense fights I was getting 30-40 at ultra but that was only because the CPU was bottlenecking (the game has a handy feature which displays FPS and bottleneck). Now I am getting 20-30 (jumps around dramatically) at spawn! I used to get 60 at spawn. And now it is the GPU that is bottlenecking. I haven't even tried to go into a battle yet.

I also noticed that the games stutter randomly even when the FPS is at 30 (seems to be the best I can get now).

The temps arent the problem. The hottest it ever got was 60.

Another strange thing to note is that in Furmark, I get 20 FPS 1920x1080 2xMSAA which is normal for the card.

I am suspecting the PSU because it is showing all the symptoms and the fact that it runs Furmark okay could show that when it is only the graphics card being used, it can get enough power to it but when playing games (sending a lot of power to all parts of the computer), it can't provide sufficient power so it is producing decreased performance. I'm probably way off. lol

Any suggestions?

If needed, I will buy the new PSU you showed me but I would like to make sure that is the problem first.
December 6, 2012 4:31:01 PM

Actually, the crappy FPS turned out to be a piece of malware that was hogging up all the CPU resources but hiding itself once task manager was open. It's removed now and the FPS is fixed.
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