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New build, is this a build for the future?

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January 13, 2013 8:54:56 AM

My primary uses are Gaming, skype, browsing, and random networking tasks / virtual servers for practice.


CPU Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core $219.99
CPU Cooler Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing $24.99
Motherboard ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 $127.99
Memory Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 $44.99
Storage Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM $87.99
Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" SSD $139.94
Video Card MSI GeForce GTX 680 4GB $529.99
MSI GeForce GTX 680 4GB $529.99
Case Cooler Master CM 690 II (Black) ATX Mid Tower $94.98
Power Supply Corsair 850W ATX12V / EPS12V $144.49
Optical Drive Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer $19.99

I am trying to decide if this is a good build for what i want as well as the future, like can i upgrade from this CPU to a newer haswell down the line and keep the motherboard? or do i need to replace that as well?

Also critique my build ;)  thank you

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January 13, 2013 9:06:46 AM

Be careful how you future-proof a system, there is the right and wrong way of doing it and I suspect you going the wrong way.
This video will explain a lot about future-proofing your rig.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK4ip08auGg
But in a nutshell, invest in components that wont go obsolete. Your case, cooling system, PSU (to a lesser extent, they do degrade) are all things that will never go obsolete. So buying good ones now will save you money in the long run since they can be re-used in later rigs.

Nup, Haswell (and later Broadwell) CPU's will be using the LGA1150 socket, will have to get a new motherboard if you want the new chips. Currently there are no 1150 boards on the market.

Not much point for a 680 when the 670 performs 95% as well for $100 less. Very much no point to a 4GB 680 when for $30 more you can get a 6GB HD7970. And not much point still getting two 4GB 680's unless your running a Surround gaming system.
January 13, 2013 9:10:08 AM

Hi
If you don't plan to add second gpu later, that psu is too powerful. Get a quality PSU from Antec, Seasonic, XFX, Corsair or PC Power and Cooling, Silverstone. ~ 550w. At least 80+ bronze quality.
instead of getting the GTX 680 that you strongly consider the Radeon 7970 GHz edition - it's a far more powerful GPU for far less money than the 680
Or, or get gtx 670 - it's 100$ cheaper than 680 but performs almost the same.
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January 13, 2013 9:17:21 AM

Ok, thank you. I will probably go back to the drawing board then. haha. I dont think i would get the case listed, i would probably get a mountain mods custom case. i like the style and yes i figured a case would be able to keep for awhile so i wanted a nice one. I had another set up, totally different though with a 3930k, asus rampage extreme board and 690, but i can drop to 2 X 670's and be just fine. :)  is there a certain 670 card that is better than the others?

So really no build right now can be for the future since the new chip / socket type?
January 13, 2013 9:27:02 AM

treven said:
So really no build right now can be for the future since the new chip / socket type?


It really depends on how you look at things. While the 1155 socket won't see another generation of chips, most of the other items on your list would easily work even were you to replace the motherboard with a Haswell/Broadwell model down the road. The motherboards will still be ATX-sized, and I can't imagine that power connectors and expansion slots will change appreciably in the next few years. Maybe Thunderbolt will really take off, but that's about it...
January 13, 2013 9:29:25 AM

No build can be future proof beyond 2yrs, because quite simply technology advances too fast. What you are best off doing is building a rig that serves your current and immediately foreseeable needs with plenty of upgrade options.
So get a PSU strong enough for dual cards, get a mobo that can support dual cards, get a case that's big enough to hold anything you could throw at it, get dual 8GB sticks instead of 4x4GB so you could upgrade to 32GB later if you need to. Buy a good mouse and keyboard so you wont have to buy new ones later on. Get a good monitor, so you wont need to replace it.

Give yourself options in the future. Just be aware that the core components (CPU, GPU, RAM to a lesser extent) will always go obsolete in a few years regardless of how much you spend now. These parts will have to be continuously upgraded to keep up. If you get good "outer" components, these core upgrades will be relatively cheap as opposed to needing entirely new build each time you want to upgrade.
January 13, 2013 11:55:58 AM

Ok, i see what you are saying, so spending money on the case, psu and cooling will stay and for the most part ram as long as i get the same kind it will work together. its just too bad the cpu and gpu are the most expensive :/  after i build this i will be able to keep my SSD, HDD, case, power supply and fans / cooling for years to come most likely unless the hdd fails haha. Thank You.
January 13, 2013 11:57:52 AM

So a mountain mods case would be a good investment? As well as a 1000 watt PSU, i was looking at i think the corsair hx 1050, is that a good model? I fear not having enough power for my build..or would the 850 suffice?
January 13, 2013 12:23:33 PM

For the build as is, an 850W would be fine if already a bit overkill. If you don't plan on getting more than 2 cards, I think that is all you will need.

From the looks of the cases from Mountain Mods, it seems it could handle anything you want with a particular focus on water-cooling.
January 14, 2013 2:09:04 AM

This is my second build i am in between

CPU Intel Core i7-3930K 3.2GHz 6-Core $564.98
CPU Cooler Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 $81.51
Motherboard Asus Rampage IV Extreme EATX LGA2011 $419.99
Memory Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 $73.74
Storage Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM $87.99
Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" SSD $139.99
Video Card EVGA GeForce GTX 680 2GB $469.99
EVGA GeForce GTX 680 2GB $469.99
Power Supply Corsair 850W ATX12V / EPS12V $144.49
Optical Drive Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer $19.99
Total: $2472.66


I really like this one, ALOT, :) 
January 14, 2013 2:20:18 AM

Get a low profile RAM kit. The hair combs they glue to Vengeance RAM will get in the way of the Noctua I think.

Get a good aftermarket 670 (670 is $100 cheaper than a 680 and performs 95% as well, better afer overclocking) like a Gigabyte Windforce. EVGA use reference design cooling that runs louder and hotter.

Otherwise looks good.
January 14, 2013 2:36:45 AM

EVGA cards use reference PCB design and cooling using the blower style fans. Aftermarket means that it atleast has a custom cooler on it, with possibly a custom PCB.

Reference design does have its uses, such as in a low airflow environment, but for what your after your better off with a custom model.
Though if custom water-cooling is a possibility you may want to stick with EVGA or at least make sure the card your buying has a reference PCB. Otherwise water blocks wont fit properly.
January 14, 2013 2:41:59 AM

How do i tell if it has a custom cooler on it, and what exactly is PCB? Sorry i am a bit new. lol
January 14, 2013 3:01:10 AM

A reference design cooler uses a blower style fan on it, look like this.

Basically what it does is pull in air through that fan and force it along the card and out of the PCI-Bracket at the end. The benefit is that removes the hot air from the case, so in a low airflow environment its a good design as it removes the heat from the case, not allowing it too build up.

A custom cooler can look like anything really, but most follow fairly much the same design.


Benefit to these is that they cool better than reference,but they don't exhaust the heat from the case, instead it more throws hot air in every direction possible. This isn't an issue in an airflow environment that will just move that air away, but when there's no airflow that hot air will build up and be recycled back through the card.

A PCB (Printed Circuit Board) is basically just the connections between all the components of the card sandwiched between a bit of plastic. In effect the motherboard is just one large PCB. This is a reference GTX590 PCB, you can see that it has two GPU's.

Benefits to custom PCB's depend on what the manufacturer has done to change it. Often on higher end cards they will have added more VRM's, more RAM and just generally tweaked the design to suit the cooler that been strapped on top. Benefits to reference PCB's is largely none, except for water-cooling compatibility.
January 14, 2013 3:07:32 AM

So out of those 3, or from that list is there a card that would be suitable, or you prefer / recommend? I will be using just high air flow in the case until i find out how to run a nice water cooling later on :)  Would it be beneficial to get 2 x 4gb as compared to 2 x 2 gb's?
January 14, 2013 3:13:10 AM

This is what i have at the moment, :) 

CPU Intel Core i7-3930K 3.2GHz 6-Core $564.98
CPU Cooler Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 $81.51
Motherboard Asus Rampage IV Extreme EATX LGA2011 $419.99
Memory Corsair Vengeance LP 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 $85.25
Storage Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM $87.99
Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" SSD $139.99
MSI GeForce GTX 670 2GB $378.99
MSI GeForce GTX 670 2GB $378.99
Power Supply Corsair 850W ATX12V / EPS12V $144.49
Optical Drive Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer $19.99
Total: $2302.17

Almost a 300 $ difference, :) 
January 14, 2013 3:22:19 AM

I assume your talking about VRAM.
4GB of VRAM is only needed when your going to be playing at very large resolutions, so triple monitors pretty much. The amount of VRAM doesnt matter on the card until you run out of it. For standard 1080p gaming, 2GB is more than enough.

MSI is a good manufacturer, you wont be disappointed with their performance.
January 14, 2013 3:29:43 AM

Ok excellent, i will stick with these 2Gb cards since i wont be needing 3 monitors yet, i am hoping to get a 2560 X 1440 monitor or so but just one.
January 14, 2013 3:39:02 AM

I think i will also get the mountain mods Monticle 24, custom case. Thanks for all the help, when i order and build this i will be sure to post photos here, probably in march / april. Some of the parts may change though, hopefully prices too :) 
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