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November 30, 2012 7:46:17 AM

Hello,
im after a pc for my son hes not a serious gamer just minecraft, fifa 13 , hitman , i have no clue really and need advice
i was thinking about this pc , but not sure it is anygood for gaming,
•Intel Core i5-2320 processor
•8Gb RAM
•1Tb SATA hard drive
•BluRay Drive
•Dedicated GTX610 Graphics Card
•Microsoft Windows 8 Home Premium.

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a b U Graphics card
November 30, 2012 7:50:06 AM

Not with that 610, no. Drop $100 on a 7770 and you are golden.
November 30, 2012 7:51:34 AM

The GTX610, is a very weak card. You would need to better one to be able to run games. If you give us your budget I am sure we could spec you out a good PC?

Rob.
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November 30, 2012 8:03:43 AM

thats my problem i dont get paid until after xmas and its his xmas gift leaving my only option to catalogue pcs so im searching very.co.uk :(  depressing
November 30, 2012 8:14:43 AM

if any1 can find me a decent base on there and tell me what i need to add it would help
November 30, 2012 8:21:42 AM

or would i be better off buying a good base unit from the site (not sure which is best processr i3,i5,i7 amd8?) and then getting a seperate pci-e card and putting it in myself r paying to get one put in ?
November 30, 2012 9:20:49 AM

The issue with doing that is that a lot of pre built PC's will come with very poor quality power supplies, they will most likely not be able to handle a high end graphics card. You could end up causing a lot of damage! My advice would be instead of buying a pre built one, simply build your own. It will work out cheaper and your system will be a lot more powerful and be of a higher build quality.
a c 291 U Graphics card
a b 4 Gaming
November 30, 2012 11:50:51 AM

Tell us your budget and we'll work something out. I suppose you do have a budget if you're looking at very.co.uk?

P. S. Hitman is a really serious game :p . Not sure why you think it isn't :) .
November 30, 2012 12:00:55 PM

I know i have a AMD 6670 and up pick one up new for under $70 new. If you have less than that you can always go used and sometimes you score a real good deal
November 30, 2012 12:05:18 PM

Get him a PC, minus the video card. Put the extra money into buying a CPU with an Intel HD 4000 GPU. A 610 really is not worth it. From your standpoint, HD 4000 will do just fine.


BONUS: You will be buying him a better CPU at the same time.

a c 291 U Graphics card
a b 4 Gaming
November 30, 2012 12:16:50 PM

^

I wouldn't do that. How old is your son? He may understand 2 week delay of the PC if he's old enough. It's better to give him the whole PC with a graphics card (GT 610 is not what you want, though, it will not play the games you've mentioned), than to give him a PC that's useless for gaming.
November 30, 2012 12:56:21 PM

Agreed.
November 30, 2012 1:52:15 PM

well if i could get it for around 300 id be happy he has 3 pc's that are rubbish but one has a nice case i have no clue whats inside them but all should be well outdated by now , and hitman is a serious game but on ps3 ;)  lol
November 30, 2012 1:52:48 PM

the original one on very was 499, which i found a rip off tbh
a c 291 U Graphics card
a b 4 Gaming
November 30, 2012 2:08:03 PM

300 pounds is hardly doable, windows alone cost 70 pounds. However, I managed to fit inside of 430 pounds:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Pentium G860 3.0GHz Dual-Core Processor (£49.86 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: MSI H61M-P25 (B3) Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£32.28 @ Scan.co.uk)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£26.39 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Storage: Hitachi Deskstar 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£50.00 @ Ebuyer)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card (£140.14 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: Xigmatek Asgard II Black ATX Mid Tower Case (£28.51 @ Novatech)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply (£33.96 @ Ebuyer)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£71.28 @ CCL Computers)
Total: £432.42
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-30 16:06 GMT+0000)

It would be... Around 8.5 times faster in gaming than the one you linked. And I'm not exaggerating.

P. S. Serious gaming exists on PCs only :p .
November 30, 2012 2:11:01 PM

ok, anyone think anything of this ?
Case
STYLISH PIANO BLACK ENIGMA CASE + 2 FRONT USB
Intel® Pentium® Dual-Core G2120 (3.10GHz, 3MB Cache) + HD Graphics
ASUS® P8H61-MX USB3/SI: uATX, USB 3.0, SATA 3.0Gb/s
4GB SAMSUNG DUAL-DDR3 1333MHz (1 X 4GB
2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 650 Ti - DVI, HDMI, VGA - 3D Vision Ready
2TB 3.5" SATA-III 6GB/s HDD 7200RPM 64MB CACHE
24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER ±R/±RW/RAM
INTERNAL 52 IN 1 CARD READER (XD, MS, CF, SD, etc) + 1 x USB 2.0 PORT
450W Quiet 80 PLUS Dual Rail PSU + 120mm Case Fan
Super Quiet 22dBA Triple Copper Heatpipe Intel CPU Cooler (£19)
ONBOARD 8 CHANNEL (7.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD
WIRELESS 802.11N 300Mbps PCI-E CARD (£16)
4 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL (MIN 2 FRONT PORTS) AS STANDARD
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit w/SP1 - inc DVD & Licence (£79)
£567
a b U Graphics card
November 30, 2012 2:12:33 PM

arcticle said:
Get him a PC, minus the video card. Put the extra money into buying a CPU with an Intel HD 4000 GPU. A 610 really is not worth it. From your standpoint, HD 4000 will do just fine.


BONUS: You will be buying him a better CPU at the same time.


You can't be serious, are you. Even the 6670 blows HD4000 to hell. For gaming what really matters is the GPU not so much CPU. Your i5 is OK. Get a good power supply at least 550W antec, seasonic, corsair and at least HD7750
a b U Graphics card
a b 4 Gaming
November 30, 2012 2:14:43 PM

That setup is decent enough, but a fair bit more expensive that Sunius's recommendation and not quite as fast. If you're not experienced with assembling a system though, buying that pre-built one might be the smarter choice.
November 30, 2012 2:15:04 PM

i dont mindspending a bit more i it makes it much better, and if i can do it in parts (buying a few bits a week )
a b U Graphics card
November 30, 2012 2:23:26 PM

can't you cannibalize the existing pcs for HDD's to save you $$$ to spend on better parts?
a c 291 U Graphics card
a b 4 Gaming
November 30, 2012 2:25:49 PM

Not really smarter unless you earn 100 pounds an hour :) . You can learn to do that in 1 hour of watching tutorials across the internet. Here's one:

Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPIXAtNGGCw
Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_56kyib-Ls

And fynerpink, the one I linked is around 20% faster. And as a bonus, you get to buy each part when you want: there's no requirements to buy them all at once.

No matter how much you increase the price, making your custom build will always result in much better and cheaper outcome. Add 120 pounds to the build I linked, and you can get an i5 CPU. Add 80 more - an SSD. Add more - another upgrade. It never ends. There will always be something that will make it better. So I'd suggest you just set a budget - in this case which I seem to see to be 500 pounds, and look for parts. And Dingo07 advice is great: salvaging parts is a great way to both save money and get a better system. It would be great if you could find out what's salvageable.

Let's say:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor (£89.48 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI B75MA-E33 Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£42.90 @ Scan.co.uk)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£26.39 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Storage: Hitachi Deskstar 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£50.00 @ Ebuyer)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card (£140.14 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 431 Plus (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£44.93 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply (£33.96 @ Ebuyer)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£71.28 @ CCL Computers)
Total: £499.08
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-30 16:25 GMT+0000)

What do you think? :) .
a b U Graphics card
a b 4 Gaming
November 30, 2012 2:34:38 PM

I actually meant smarter as in less stress and hassle. Learning how to plug the pieces together isn't the difficult bit. Troubleshooting is the difficult bit. There's absolutely no guarantee the build will go smoothly, and when it doesn't, troubleshooting often requires compatible spare components to be swapped in to determine the nature of the problem.

When my monitor stopped displaying a signal, I didn't know if it was my graphics card or my monitor that had died. Fortunately I had access to a compatible spare graphics card, and using that I could determine that it was the card that died. In the past, more times than I can count I've been stumped about the nature of the problem because I don't have compatible hardware to swap in to diagnose the problem. Even for those experienced with handling computer components, it can be a very stressful and difficult exercise.

The extra £100 buys you peace of mind (and a warranty on the system as a whole). You don't need to stress about that stuff or end up paying £60+/hr for a computer shop to swap parts out and figure out what isn't working.
a b U Graphics card
November 30, 2012 3:15:38 PM

Sunius said:
300 pounds is hardly doable, windows alone cost 70 pounds. However, I managed to fit inside of 430 pounds:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Pentium G860 3.0GHz Dual-Core Processor (£49.86 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: MSI H61M-P25 (B3) Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£32.28 @ Scan.co.uk)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£26.39 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Storage: Hitachi Deskstar 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£50.00 @ Ebuyer)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card (£140.14 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: Xigmatek Asgard II Black ATX Mid Tower Case (£28.51 @ Novatech)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply (£33.96 @ Ebuyer)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£71.28 @ CCL Computers)
Total: £432.42
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-30 16:06 GMT+0000)

It would be... Around 8.5 times faster in gaming than the one you linked. And I'm not exaggerating.

P. S. Serious gaming exists on PCs only :p .


Your set up is except the PSU. The 7850 PSU req is 500W!!! so you need at least 500W
http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/7000/78...
a c 291 U Graphics card
a b 4 Gaming
November 30, 2012 3:31:40 PM

No, it does not require a 500 watt unit. It's only recommended, because there are many falsely labeled units that don't meet what they promise. The unit I included will surely be able to power up HD 7850 and still have loads of power in reserve.
a b U Graphics card
November 30, 2012 3:58:28 PM

i doubt 7850 is necessary in this case. could save some 70 pounds and go for 7750 since he said his son is not a serious gamer
a c 291 U Graphics card
a b 4 Gaming
November 30, 2012 4:09:34 PM

Savings wouldn't be 70 pounds. More like 40. Also, what is 'not a serious gamer'? Seriously, he wants to make his son happy, and a graphics card is the most important thing. HD 7770 will not play Hitman nicely. HD 7850, however, will.
November 30, 2012 5:11:07 PM

The AMD A10-5800K(93£ on amazon.co.uk) featuring the AMD Radeon HD 7660D and with an HD 6670 in Dual Graphics configuration toms have tested it ( http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/a10-5800k-a8-5600k-... ) you will have a big advantage and i think it should run games in mid-quality on high resolution
a b U Graphics card
November 30, 2012 5:18:59 PM

agreed
a c 291 U Graphics card
a b 4 Gaming
November 30, 2012 6:04:33 PM

Again, why make compromises? Sure, he can get the A10 CPU and be happy with medium settings. Or, instead he can buy Intel CPU (which is faster, costs the same), and a decent GPU. His budget allows it. Why settle at less when you can get more? Performance/price ratio of Intel + Discrete Card like HD 7850 is MUCH better than integrated graphics option.

Also, buying that CPU would be stupid. It will be outdated in a year and the new games will lag on lowest settings. The forums are full of people complaining about performance already who bought the last generation one - and they came out only a year ago.
November 30, 2012 6:37:11 PM

i said an A10 with an hd 6670 in Dual Graphics configuration

A10 cost 90£ + hd6670 60£ = 150£
hd 7850 cost 140£ + i5 90£ = 230£
so he will save 80£ for a good motherboard (GIGABYT GA-F2A85X-UP4 for 90£)
not mention that the hd7850 require more power then the hd 6670 so more money, and he said that his son is not a serious gamer so i think this is the best deal for someone is not a big fan of gaming
but sure he will have better performance with the 7850 but he will have to pay more
November 30, 2012 6:53:01 PM

Sunius said:
Let's say:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor (£89.48 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI B75MA-E33 Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£42.90 @ Scan.co.uk)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£26.39 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Storage: Hitachi Deskstar 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£50.00 @ Ebuyer)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card (£140.14 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 431 Plus (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£44.93 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply (£33.96 @ Ebuyer)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£71.28 @ CCL Computers)
Total: £499.08
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-30 16:25 GMT+0000)

What do you think? :) .


This looks like a good build. Depending on your budget, there are a few tweaks you could make to bring the price down alittle.
RAM: You could drop down to 4gb for the initial build and add an additional 4gb later. Given the cheap prices of ram however, this may not amount to much of a savings. This will have a little impact of performance but should be tolerable.
Storage: 1TB drive is probably overkill. Dropping down to something in the 320-500 GB range would probably shave a little of the cost. Be sure to stick with a 7,200 rpm drive and this will not impact performance. Given that HDD prices have dropped nicely, probably not a lot in savings here either. Best cost reduction would be to salvage a drive from on of his aforementioned older systems. HDD technology has changed a little in the past few years, but older drives are still definitely viable. Just be sure the drive interface is compatible with the new motherboard, as the old HDD may be IDE instead of SATA, and some newer mobo's have abandoned the IDE interface.
GPU: A 7850 may be a little overkill for the games listed (except Hitman). The 7850 is a decent performer in the price/performance category however, so if you can keep it I would recommend to. However, if needed, you could drop down to a nvida 650ti/560 or AMD 7770 and still be alright. He would have to lower the setting some in Hitman, however. But it should still be playable, even more so if he is not gaming on a 1080 monitor. This would be the biggest cost saver, but also the biggest drop in performance.

a c 291 U Graphics card
a b 4 Gaming
November 30, 2012 7:01:54 PM

Not really more money for power supply. CX 430 will power HD 7850 no problems, and it's the cheapest decent PSU in UK.

By the way - people don't spend 500 pounds on something they are not big fans of :) .
November 30, 2012 11:07:53 PM

id say usable parts on his other pc's would be the xblade case and maybe the 2 hard drives both 500gb card reader and dvd-rw.
a b U Graphics card
December 1, 2012 3:02:16 AM

west7 said:
i said an A10 with an hd 6670 in Dual Graphics configuration

A10 cost 90£ + hd6670 60£ = 150£
hd 7850 cost 140£ + i5 90£ = 230£
so he will save 80£ for a good motherboard (GIGABYT GA-F2A85X-UP4 for 90£)
not mention that the hd7850 require more power then the hd 6670 so more money, and he said that his son is not a serious gamer so i think this is the best deal for someone is not a big fan of gaming
but sure he will have better performance with the 7850 but he will have to pay more

ya that is also correct. playable performance at 1080p coz his son doesnt want to play latest n greatest titles
a c 291 U Graphics card
a b 4 Gaming
December 1, 2012 7:52:22 AM

Have you seen Hitman system requirements? :pfff:  It's very demanding and new.

fynerpink said:
id say usable parts on his other pc's would be the xblade case and maybe the 2 hard drives both 500gb card reader and dvd-rw.


Great. I'll edit the list for you. I would not suggest keeping the case - a good case is needed to cool things properly.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor (£145.38 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard: MSI B75MA-E33 Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£42.90 @ Scan.co.uk)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£26.39 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card (£140.14 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 431 Plus (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£44.93 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply (£33.96 @ Ebuyer)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£71.28 @ CCL Computers)
Total: £504.98
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-01 09:53 GMT+0000)
December 1, 2012 9:30:51 AM

ok think ive found all parts but is this ok to replace other moterboard with ASUS® P8Z77-M: MICRO-ATX, USB 3.0, SATA 6GBs, ATI®CrossFireX
and to replace the ram with 8GB KINGSTON HYPERX GENESIS DUAL-DDR3 1866MHz
oh and thanks for all u help :D 
December 1, 2012 9:47:13 AM

@Fynerpink That will involve stripping the computer, and building it all together.

Seriously. You'll just be building a new computer, but paying double the price.


Also, I recommend getting an AM3/AM3+ computer, then sticking a 965 BE in there alongside an HD 7770. The 965 BE can be found for £70-£80, and will perform as well as the i3 2100, which costs around £90-£120.
December 1, 2012 10:01:53 AM

Quote:
Seriously. You'll just be building a new computer, but paying double the price.


agreed
a b U Graphics card
a b 4 Gaming
December 1, 2012 10:04:07 AM

Nope, the i3 is £90. Not sure who is charging £120?

http://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer-hardware/all/cpus-i...

And Scan is just the first place I looked, worth shopping around. And the i3 outperforms the PII X4, not by miles but it is faster. I can post benchmarks if required.
December 1, 2012 10:05:58 AM

ok think ive found all parts but is this ok to replace other moterboard with ASUS® P8Z77-M: MICRO-ATX, USB 3.0, SATA 6GBs, ATI®CrossFireX
and to replace the ram with 8GB KINGSTON HYPERX GENESIS DUAL-DDR3 1866MHz

was in reply to SUNIUS'S PARTS LIST
CPU:Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor (£145.38 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard:MSI B75MA-E33 Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£42.90 @ Scan.co.uk)
Memory:p atriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£26.39 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Video Card:XFX Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card (£140.14 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case:Cooler Master Elite 431 Plus (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£44.93 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply:Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply (£33.96 @ Ebuyer)
Operating System:Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£71.28 @ CCL Computers)
Total: £504.98
a c 291 U Graphics card
a b 4 Gaming
December 1, 2012 5:40:53 PM

You could change the motherboard and the RAM, it would be an improvement. Though I suppose that would increase the price?

Also, I would not use that website, as it is overpriced. Building a PC is actually really easy. I linked two videos, did you watch them?

@MajinCry what do you mean by double price?
December 2, 2012 9:43:02 AM

when u add these both to the parts list why does it say they may not be compatible
CPU:Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor (£145.38 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard:MSI B75MA-E33 Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£42.90 @ Scan.co.uk)
December 3, 2012 7:53:50 AM

i ran the cpuid on my sons pc, and my question is can i just add a craphics card and more memory or is that going to be too slow
it came back as follows
amd athlon 11 x 2 245 processor
2.91ghz
2gb ram
nvidia geforce 6150se nforce 430 (which is intergrated and rubbish i believe??)
running vista home


i know it says its compatible to just add XFX Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card but my quess woul be that its going to be pointless?
a c 291 U Graphics card
a b 4 Gaming
December 3, 2012 9:41:03 AM

The processor will bottleneck the card a lot. Sure, he will get a huge boost to performance, but probably half of HD 7850 potential will be wasted. You'll probably need a most power supply as well if you're buying a card.
December 3, 2012 10:11:09 AM

so ur suggestion is new power supply , new graphics and processor?
December 3, 2012 10:11:33 AM

or would u still go for the compete set up u suggested before?
a c 291 U Graphics card
a b 4 Gaming
December 3, 2012 10:17:50 AM

You cannot upgrade the processor without upgrading both RAM and motherboard as well. The new processor would just not be compatible. Going with full setup (maybe except windows, if you own them) would be the best, however, if your budget does not allow it, going just for the power supply unit and a graphics card is viable as well. I don't really know whether the case is big enough and in good condition, but if it is, you might not upgrade that, too.
December 3, 2012 11:29:02 AM

you gotta let go of that 610 and buy a new card and your PC is ready to game! :D 

whats your budget for a new GPU and the resolution?
!