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January 14, 2013 1:13:43 PM

I been for the past year almost wanting to buy a computer, I want to develop it myself. The problem is I continue to run past the $1500 mark, previously made a computer in 2009 that was half that and can still play todays games fairly well and it has a hd radeon 4600. I know its pretty bad right? Standard ram at 4-5 gbs and low storage. I was originally going to upgrade the computer but seeing how its going to be more money to upgrade, I will just buy a new computer in the future. Im having trouble finding whats going to work with what. The compatibility is a big issue. I found that some of the older processors are actually better than the newer ones but the reason they are cheaper is because the compatibility is so low and the wattage to run everything that can go with it is in the 1000 wattage area, I am new to the computer making process, especially now because I havent kept up in the last few years and their is soooo much stuff to read up on. I dont expect anyone to go into huge detail but if people could point my in the right direction at least to things that can help me compare parts, performance and then seeing if the setup would even work together. Also if it had an average price rang on it as well. IF not, could anyone tell me if it is indeed possible to build a computer below the 1500 dollar mark that can play any game right now, at least about 75% graphic performance and most on 100% and be able to be competitive for the next 3-4 years? I would greatly appreciate the help and advice! Thanks!

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January 14, 2013 1:16:37 PM

this is 1200 including monitor
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($179.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock H77M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($35.57 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1.5TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($99.00 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: PNY GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($299.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($67.41 @ Mac Connection)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 650W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($118.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($174.99 @ Best Buy)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1205.89
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-14 10:16 EST-0500)
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January 14, 2013 1:28:57 PM

I wouldnt need the monitor but thats a great help on the right direction I need to go in. I rather not go into Geforce, but I take it thats the better direction to go? Cause Im more of an AMD guy, like I said old computer now with a AMD athlon 64x2 Dual core processor 6000+ haha....
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January 14, 2013 1:31:16 PM

for 1000 dollars id get this
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xyEA

the video card in theory does not perform as well as the 670 but then you can overclock it much further compared to a reference 670 that has been provided above
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January 14, 2013 1:35:58 PM

yes you could swap out the 670 with a 7950. both are great cards .
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January 14, 2013 1:42:19 PM

Its still a nice upgrade though, Im looking around on ebay as well to see if anything is cheaper. Thanks alot guys!
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January 14, 2013 1:48:55 PM

dont look in ebay. its either fake, something is wrong with it or its more expensive
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January 14, 2013 2:00:34 PM

I came up with this, feel free to addon or tell me if anything looks bad.
MotherBoard ASRock 990FX Extreme3 AM3+Sata3 USB 3 MB
Processor AMD FX-8150 AM3+3.6GHZ Eight Core CPU (goes over 4ghz safely correct?)
RAM 16GB DDR3 2x8gb 1600MHZ PC3-12800
Hard drive Seagate Barracuda 1tb 1000GB Sata2 6gb/s
going with the 7950 ATI radeon 3gb DVI 2x mDP
I like sound soooo Sound Blaster X-Fi Extreme Audio 7.1 PCI
10/100/1000Mbps pci network card
Blue-Ray read DVDRW writer drive
850Watt modular 6Xsata SLI crossfie PSU
then lastly windows 8 64-Bit

Anything wrong with that? Thats right at 1250 right now, trying to go cheaper if I can by about 150 dollars
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January 14, 2013 2:14:53 PM

yes.

-fx is pretty bad for games. especially bulldozer
-creative makes a lot of crap. just get a asus sound card if you want good sou d
-depends on the psu. some are crap and some are good. plus 850w is overkill for 7950s
-windows 8 is terrible in my opinion. id try it out before buying
-you also dont need that much ram
-no SSD in a 1200 dollar build is dumb. it makes 1200 dollars feel like 1200 dollars
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January 14, 2013 3:34:18 PM

TheBigTroll said:
yes.

-fx is pretty bad for games. especially bulldozer
-creative makes a lot of crap. just get a asus sound card if you want good sou d
-depends on the psu. some are crap and some are good. plus 850w is overkill for 7950s
-windows 8 is terrible in my opinion. id try it out before buying
-you also dont need that much ram
-no SSD in a 1200 dollar build is dumb. it makes 1200 dollars feel like 1200 dollars



Okay so heres the new setup, went up to 1330... :(  lol
Processor AMD Phenom II x4 965 Quad-Core 3.4 Ghz AM3
Seagate/Wd 1Tb 7200 RPM 32 MB cache Sata 6.0 Gb/s
Samsung 120gb SSD sata III (read/write 530mb/130Mb)
4x Blu-Ray and 8x Dvd-Rom Combo
Nvidia Geforce GTX670 2Gb ddr5 2dvi/Hdmi Pci-Exp video card...
Basic sound, Realtek 8-Channel blah blah, since upgrading other stuff
Base 10/100/1000 Network
Went to a Thermaltake 600 Watt High Performance SLI/Crossfire Power supply
Also went to Windows 7 64 Bit, I actually like windows seven

Please keep up the advice your helping me out a TON
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January 14, 2013 3:49:52 PM

I would go with Intel all the way on that budget. I assume that you would use your monitor from the 2009 build.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Pro3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($35.57 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($99.00 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($279.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cougar Volant (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.98 @ Outlet PC)
Power Supply: PC Power & Cooling Silencer MK III 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($79.33 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($69.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1103.79
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-14 12:46 EST-0500)

If you don't plan to overlock and really don't need the Blu-Ray ROM, you could go for this.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H77 Pro4/MVP ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($79.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($35.57 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($99.00 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($279.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cougar Volant (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.98 @ Outlet PC)
Power Supply: PC Power & Cooling Silencer MK III 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($79.33 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1008.79
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-14 12:49 EST-0500)
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January 14, 2013 4:21:58 PM

zachwildcat said:
Okay so heres the new setup, went up to 1330... :(  lol
Processor AMD Phenom II x4 965 Quad-Core 3.4 Ghz AM3
Seagate/Wd 1Tb 7200 RPM 32 MB cache Sata 6.0 Gb/s
Samsung 120gb SSD sata III (read/write 530mb/130Mb)
4x Blu-Ray and 8x Dvd-Rom Combo
Nvidia Geforce GTX670 2Gb ddr5 2dvi/Hdmi Pci-Exp video card...
Basic sound, Realtek 8-Channel blah blah, since upgrading other stuff
Base 10/100/1000 Network
Went to a Thermaltake 600 Watt High Performance SLI/Crossfire Power supply
Also went to Windows 7 64 Bit, I actually like windows seven

Please keep up the advice your helping me out a TON


-intel chips perform better while using half the power. the 965 is pretty dam old. id get a i5
-the samsung 840 sucks. just get the m5s i suggested
-do you really watch blu-rays because i dont know many people who do. and there are faster blu-ray drives
-the video card i chose is slightly weaker but is a lot cheaper. you can overclock it. if you want a 670, i would suggest the gigabyte windforce gtx 670
-thermaltake doesnt make the best power supply. the one i suggested is better
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January 14, 2013 4:42:32 PM

with that budget you have to go intel. 3570k or 3770k as cpu.
asrock extreme 4 or asus z77 v-pro as mobo.
16 gb of ram.
gtx 670.
samsung ssd.
its a no brainer.
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January 15, 2013 9:40:56 PM

I really appreciate it, Its a no brainier to you guys but its a bit rough for me haha... But I have alot to off now but the main problem is the graphics card. Im trying to be able to play as of right now, something like Total war on max settings, if not damn close with large unit sizes for example. Now your build would suffice in that or what problems may I end up having?
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January 15, 2013 9:58:35 PM

you should be able to do that with a 7950 for the most part
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January 15, 2013 10:43:34 PM

My ending product is this but its total at 1900 sadly but this is what I would get.

Intel Corei7 Processor i7-3820 3.6ghz 10 mb quad core *intel copper heavy duty cooling fan*
Using an Asus Sabertooh x79 LGA 2011 intel x79 sata 6gb/s usb 3.0
DDR3 16gb (4x4gb) 240-pin 1600Mhz
Seagate wd 1tb 7200 rpm 32mb cache sata 6.0gb/s
Samsung 120gb solid state drive sata III (im still new to the whole SSD thing) dont quite understand it 100%
never had it in my model now
*24 Dual Layer dvd-Rw
Nvidia Geforce GTX 670 4gb DDR5 2dvi/hdmi pci-exp
Realtek 8 channel digital sound.. (nothing special)
Basic network cards
Antec 750W high Performance SLI/crossfire Power supply
Windows 7 64 bit
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January 15, 2013 10:55:24 PM

-i7s are not for games
-x79 is not for games
-16gb is on the overkill side for gaming
-sabertooth is always a scam. the regular stack can provide more and other brands do provide more
-840 SSD sucks. uses usb grade nand
-4gb cards are useless if you dont have 3 monitors, and by then get a 7970
-no. there are better and cheaper power supplies out there

i would just throw that build in the recycling bin. completely wrong for a gaming rig
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January 16, 2013 12:15:04 AM

I dont understand when Im looking at the benchmarks and performance guide the I7 doesnt look bad at all? Am I not looking at it right? For example go to this ebay listing, you can configure what you want. Im comparing from new egg and also ebay, but I didnt know until now ebay actually lets you customize it. I mean from this one, can you actually make one that isnt bad? Or I need to reconsider? I thank you so much for the bluntness! I really want my bang for the buck. http://www.ebay.com/itm/370730666287?ssPageName=STRK:ME...
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January 16, 2013 12:18:51 AM

yea but when you look at the benchmarks in games comparing the i5 and the i7, its more or less the same, meaning you are paying more for nothing

the assembly thing is nice, but heavy duty copper heatsink is a joke and all the power supplies provided are junk
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January 16, 2013 12:33:07 AM

Can you explain what makes the difference with the power box? You keep referring to they are terrible choices, what makes them a terrible choice? Also, 500 Watts should be enough? I know when I was more serious about a computer, I was actually required to have close to 1k almost in wattage because the the graphics card required it. it was the 6800 model I think... Not exactly positive, very rare and but the performance was amazing
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January 16, 2013 1:27:26 AM

550w is enough for a single gpu built.. this build will let you oc and sli in the future..for a dual gpu setup you'll need a 750w psu.. i'd suggest this build because it comes inside your budget and its about the max you can get for the money.. the total is about 1200$ which leaves plenty for getting peripherals.. and if you need a monitor i'd suggest this one
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-monitor-vs239hp

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xPPy
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xPPy/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xPPy/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($127.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($35.57 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Crucial M4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($107.95 @ Mac Connection)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($359.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 750W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($94.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG UH12NS29 Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1196.40
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-15 22:20 EST-0500)
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January 16, 2013 1:44:24 AM

zachwildcat said:
Can you explain what makes the difference with the power box? You keep referring to they are terrible choices, what makes them a terrible choice? Also, 500 Watts should be enough? I know when I was more serious about a computer, I was actually required to have close to 1k almost in wattage because the the graphics card required it. it was the 6800 model I think... Not exactly positive, very rare and but the performance was amazing


anything that isnt made by seasonic, delta, superflower, and a few others are generally crap units. all of the ones in the builder are crap. what makes a good power supply a good power supply is stable voltages, low fluctuations, quality japanese components, and overall track record of reliability

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January 25, 2013 11:59:16 PM

Best answer selected by zachwildcat.
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