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November 30, 2012 2:02:56 PM

Originally in the New Build forum I was recommended

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
XFX CORE Edition FX-777A-ZNF4 Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card

I have concerns if it's really what I should get so I'm looking for other recommendations.

I don't need anything super high end as mostly I will be just using the computer for software development but that will include using programs like Photo Shop/Paint Shop Pro.

Additionally I will place some games but mostly things like Age of Empires online and Sim City (new version coming out) and other Real Time Strategy games.

Another requirement is the card needs to drive a minimum of 3 monitors. The above recommendation looks like it does have dual link but only on 1 of the dvi ports so I'm guessing it's limit is 3 monitors.

I'm thinking I'd be better off with a card that does dual link on 2 dvi plugs in case I want to add a 4th monitor. Also I wonder if 1gb of ram is enough for what I need or should I look at 2gb but seems when the get to 2gb the price really goes up.

A second video card is always a possibility in the future if some PC game comes out that I must have that plays better then on my Xbox.

Thanks for the help/input.
November 30, 2012 2:20:49 PM

bigcyco1 said:
That was a horrible recommendation you need at least a 7850 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Looking at some 7850's on newegg it looks like all are 2 x DVI (1 Single Link, 1 Dual Link)

Am I understanding correctly that means 3 monitors total? For now I have 2 Dell 19" Ultrasharp's I will be using but the plan is to add a third as the main monitor something little bigger and wide screen.

I also read that above 1960 x 1080 (might have the numbers wrong) that monitors with high res need a dual link which in that case the card would be limited to 2 monitors.

Newegg has http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
DIAMOND 7850PE52GV2 Radeon HD 7850 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
For $184 but has a $20 mail in rebate making it $164 any opinions on that?
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November 30, 2012 3:04:47 PM

you probably want something with 2G of ram on it, also you can get adapters for the hdmi outputs and all those on monoprice. a 7850 looks pretty good. that diamond looks like it should do the job.
also, 1080x1920 is fine with single link DVI. you need dual link for 1440p or 1600p, not 1080p.

IF you want to save some money, you could get a 2GB 7770. but i'd really recommend the 7850 if you wanna do any games at 1080. the 7770 will do games, but the 7850 will have your back for a lot longer.
November 30, 2012 4:12:58 PM

misclik said:
you probably want something with 2G of ram on it, also you can get adapters for the hdmi outputs and all those on monoprice. a 7850 looks pretty good. that diamond looks like it should do the job.
also, 1080x1920 is fine with single link DVI. you need dual link for 1440p or 1600p, not 1080p.

IF you want to save some money, you could get a 2GB 7770. but i'd really recommend the 7850 if you wanna do any games at 1080. the 7770 will do games, but the 7850 will have your back for a lot longer.


Thanks for your input.

Am I right to say that card can only do (like most) 3 monitors off the 2 DVI ports?

If I have say 3 monitors attached to the dvi ports cane the other ports be used as well. I can't see me ever having more then 4 total but I definitely will have 3 but only 2 to start.

And like I said I will be starting with the 2 old Dell 19" Ultra-sharps and then I will add a higher end third which the ultra sharps could stay on the dvi while the 3rd can go on a hdmi port if that's possible.
a b U Graphics card
November 30, 2012 4:22:50 PM

MrSmoofy said:
Thanks for your input.

Am I right to say that card can only do (like most) 3 monitors off the 2 DVI ports?

If I have say 3 monitors attached to the dvi ports cane the other ports be used as well. I can't see me ever having more then 4 total but I definitely will have 3 but only 2 to start.

And like I said I will be starting with the 2 old Dell 19" Ultra-sharps and then I will add a higher end third which the ultra sharps could stay on the dvi while the 3rd can go on a hdmi port if that's possible.


I believe you need to use one of the 7850's display ports for the 3rd, 4th and so on monitors. Can anyone second me on this? Yeah and a 7850 2GB would be the minimum for great multi-monitor support.

P.S. That 670 that guy recommended is one of the dumbest suggestions I have ever seen. $100 more than usual and an overclocked $300 7950 can beat it easily...
a c 185 U Graphics card
November 30, 2012 4:32:01 PM

All i know is whoever recommend you 7770 for three monitor setup should be shot!That's the most retarded noob recommendation i have heard thus far.
a b U Graphics card
November 30, 2012 4:33:32 PM

bigcyco1 said:
All i know is whoever recommend you 7770 for three monitor setup should be shot!That's the most dumbest noob recommendation i have heard thus far.


Yeah a 128 bit card will never run 3 monitors well lol!
November 30, 2012 5:08:55 PM

My understanding is that a dual link dvi port allows you to run 2 monitors off 1 port with a special dual link split-er cable.

And based on reading the specs of most cards that have 2 DVI connections 1 is single link (1 monitor) and 1 is dual link (2 monitors) but I also read that for higher res monitors they may require dual link dvi connection and can't be split.

Just want to make sure I get what I need for 3 monitors maybe 4th in a year or 2. The last time I build a pc was 10 years ago and it has worked fine so now that I'm doing a new one I'd like it to last a while.
November 30, 2012 5:25:02 PM

Actually I take all back that I said about Dual link I had that confused with Eyefinity
a c 185 U Graphics card
November 30, 2012 5:30:27 PM

From the Anandtech review of the 7850:

Quote:
Meanwhile for display connectivity AMD is using the same configuration as we’ve seen on the 7900 series: 1 DL-DVI port, 1 HDMI port, and 2 miniDP ports. Interestingly, unlike the 7900 series and 7700 series there is a set of pads for a second DVI port on the card, and while AMD doesn’t make use of them at least one XFX card will. The 7800 series as the same display configuration options as the 7900 series though, so while it can drive up to 6 monitors it can only drive 2 TMDS (HDMI and DVI) type displays at once, and if you want to drive a full 6 monitors you’ll need a MST hub (DisplayPort Splitter).
November 30, 2012 5:44:17 PM

Why am I getting so confused.

I just need a recommendation for:
Under $200
min 3 Monitors (2 will be dvi for sure) like to have 4
Sounds like min 2GB ram

Other then that doesn't seem to matter as long as I understand how I will be able to connect 3-4 monitors to 1 card as in what extra cables/adapters I will need.

Surely I'm not the only one that desires this setup.
a b U Graphics card
November 30, 2012 5:45:00 PM

MrSmoofy said:
Your recommendation is more then double what I wanted to spend and that card does not support dual link at all.

You have no idea what you're talking about... that card supports 4 monitors - 2 Dual-link DVI connectors, HDMI and Displayport 1.2

learn a lil and you'll get somewhere!!!
November 30, 2012 5:47:50 PM

dingo07 said:
You have no idea what you're talking about... that card supports 4 monitors - 2 Dual-link DVI connectors, HDMI and Displayport 1.2

learn a lil and you'll get somewhere!!!


Don't be an ASS :fou:  The specs for that card on newegg.com say nothing about dual link like the other cards do.
a b U Graphics card
November 30, 2012 5:50:15 PM

MrSmoofy said:
Don't be an ASS :fou:  The specs for that card on newegg.com say nothing about dual link like the other cards do.

Then maybe you should learn a BIT more and goto the Manufacturers webpage for the specs... because there's more than 5 flavors of that card - noob!

http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=04G-P4-367...

there's the link

---


Oh

and you'll want to click the FEATURES tab and then click "Supports four concurrent displays"

AND

BTW it DOES say that on Newegg's page in the Features section
a b U Graphics card
November 30, 2012 5:55:48 PM

dingo07 said:
Then maybe you should learn a BIT more and goto the Manufacturers webpage for the specs... because there's more than 5 flavors of that card - noob!

http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=04G-P4-367...

there's the link

---


Oh

and you'll want to click the FEATURES tab and then click "Supports four concurrent displays"

Look its crazy overpriced! No! A $300 7950 would trade blows with it and even that is out of its price range! Get a clue!
November 30, 2012 5:57:27 PM

ok, if you have 2 1080p monitors, you can run those off of the DL-DVI port, other than that, if i am reading bigcyco1's post right, you may have to use an adapter for a third / fourth. This is only difficult for 2 reasons.
1: not many people deal with 3 monitors
2: of the forums I frequent, toms hardware is the least tech savvy. you can also try asking over at overclock.net or better yet, [h]ardforum.
I do stand by my prior post about that 7850 though, you'll most likely be happy with that. the 7850 is a popular card for a reason. you might just have to get splitters / adapters off of monoprice like I said before... they should be about $10 shipped.
November 30, 2012 5:57:32 PM

CaptainTom said:
Look its crazy overpriced! No! A $300 7950 would trade blows with it and even that is out of its price range! Get a clue!


Thank you CaptainTom.
a c 185 U Graphics card
November 30, 2012 6:01:47 PM

Sorry i am not sure why your getting confused misclik explained it

November 30, 2012 6:02:28 PM

dingo07 said:
Then maybe you should learn a BIT more and goto the Manufacturers webpage for the specs... because there's more than 5 flavors of that card - noob!

http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=04G-P4-367...

there's the link

---


Oh

and you'll want to click the FEATURES tab and then click "Supports four concurrent displays"

AND

BTW it DOES say that on Newegg's page in the Features section


I'm not sure what your problem is trying to get this guy hooked on a 670. He posted his price. That is far above it. You sound like either a kid or someone who has a lot of money to throw at a computer and doesn't understand a budget. Thought your first post was a joke and had a good laugh, but you apparently were not joking. you are contributing nothing to the topic.
November 30, 2012 6:03:32 PM

misclik said:
ok, if you have 2 1080p monitors, you can run those off of the DL-DVI port, other than that, if i am reading bigcyco1's post right, you may have to use an adapter for a third / fourth. This is only difficult for 2 reasons.
1: not many people deal with 3 monitors
2: of the forums I frequent, toms hardware is the least tech savvy. you can also try asking over at overclock.net or better yet, [h]ardforum.
I do stand by my prior post about that 7850 though, you'll most likely be happy with that. the 7850 is a popular card for a reason. you might just have to get splitters / adapters off of monoprice like I said before... they should be about $10 shipped.


Thanks.

Now that I'm not confused after reading what DualLink really is and what I need to look at is Eyefinity it seems now I just need to understand how 3-4 monitors get connected (what's required as far as cables and adapters) and what ports are used on the card.

My ideal solution would be a card with two DVI ports that allow for the DVI spliters that allow for 4 monitors to be connected. Reading on newegg and on manufactures sites they just don't come out and say it from what I found so now I've emailed FXF asking the same questions directly to them that I've asked here.
a b U Graphics card
November 30, 2012 6:04:34 PM

both you guys are lost - I guess you really have no clue when it comes to 3+ monitors - becasue your 7950 with 3GB memory will fall far short of the 670 with 4GB

but whatever - i guess you're both biased towards ATI cards
a b U Graphics card
November 30, 2012 6:06:19 PM

MrSmoofy said:


Thank you CaptainTom.

Does your motherboard have room for 2 graphics cards? If so dual 7750's might work and if crossfired would about equal a 7850 in gaming performance. Though really you should just get a 7850 2gb. If it is slightly over budget just save up a lil more ;) 
a b U Graphics card
November 30, 2012 6:07:13 PM

misclik said:
I'm not sure what your problem is trying to get this guy hooked on a 670. He posted his price. That is far above it. You sound like either a kid or someone who has a lot of money to throw at a computer and doesn't understand a budget. Thought your first post was a joke and had a good laugh, but you apparently were not joking. you are contributing nothing to the topic.

he posted his price After I made my suggestion... i have no problems here on this forum...
a b U Graphics card
November 30, 2012 6:10:26 PM

dingo07 said:
both you guys are lost - I guess you really have no clue when it comes to 3+ monitors - becasue your 7950 with 3GB memory will fall far short of the 670 with 4GB

but whatever - i guess you're both biased towards ATI cards

Is this guy trolling? I suspect he is... Everyone knows multi montitor is where amd is king. Also your 670 is 256 bit which bottlenecks at 2gb. However the 7950 is 384bit and easily handles 3GB. In fact I have seen benchmarks where an overclocked 7970 matches a 690 when 3 1600p monitors are used.
November 30, 2012 6:11:01 PM

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/354408-33-help-asus-h...

this thread may be of some help. it looks like you need an ACTIVE displayport adapter to do this. they cost $30... and at that point, id say to go with a 7870, that should do it natively. (I have a 7870, like it.) it's up to you.

November 30, 2012 6:13:48 PM

CaptainTom said:
Does your motherboard have room for 2 graphics cards? If so dual 7750's might work and if crossfired would about equal a 7850 in gaming performance. Though really you should just get a 7850 2gb. If it is slightly over budget just save up a lil more ;) 


I'd rather not go 2 cards.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

XFX Core Edition FX-785A-CNL4 Radeon HD 7850 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card

That's 174.99 after rebate.

My understanding it has Eyefinity and supports up to 6 monitors.

How they get connected is another question it's $10 more then the Diamond card but seems like the same specs so I guess I could go wit hthe diamond card and save $10

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It's $164.99 after rebate.

I don't know if one of those is better then the other. Guess I need to contact Diamond as well.
November 30, 2012 6:14:20 PM

Under $200 the best option is the Radeon 7850 you had earlier.
a b U Graphics card
November 30, 2012 6:16:37 PM

misclik said:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/354408-33-help-asus-h...

this thread may be of some help. it looks like you need an ACTIVE displayport adapter to do this. they cost $30... and at that point, id say to go with a 7870, that should do it natively. (I have a 7870, like it.) it's up to you.

edit: btw, 7870's come with 2 DL-DVI's on the back. or at least my MSI one has 2.

Wait! I figured it out. You say your third monitor will be high end. Then it should have a display port. For now a 7850 2gb will run your 2 dvi monitors fine, and then when you get a nice monitor, make sure it has a display port (Which is becoming the new standard anyways). Boom! Problem solved!
November 30, 2012 6:17:09 PM

MrSmoofy said:
I'd rather not go 2 cards.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

XFX Core Edition FX-785A-CNL4 Radeon HD 7850 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card

That's 174.99 after rebate.

My understanding it has Eyefinity and supports up to 6 monitors.

How they get connected is another question it's $10 more then the Diamond card but seems like the same specs so I guess I could go wit hthe diamond card and save $10

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It's $164.99 after rebate.

I don't know if one of those is better then the other. Guess I need to contact Diamond as well.



1: in general, xfx > Diamond
2: that xfx has 2 DL-DVI's (among others) on the back. id say that's good.
November 30, 2012 6:45:01 PM

misclik said:
1: in general, xfx > Diamond
2: that xfx has 2 DL-DVI's (among others) on the back. id say that's good.


How did you determin that the xfx is 2 DL-DVI's?

It says 2 x DVI (1 Single Link, 1 Dual Link) DL-DVI = Dual Link right?
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