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8800GT = GTX650 Ti

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November 30, 2012 8:07:30 PM

So i upgraded to a GTX 650 Ti from a 8800GT, 8800GT played Borderlands 2 at high settings at 30FPS, GTX plays at 40FPS. Why is there such a small difference in FPS? I think its my processor a AMD Phenom X4 2.3GHz. I got this machine with a couple upgrades, 8GB DDR2 and a X-Fi Titanium Soundcard a few months back for $175. My question is, is the processor going to forbid me from using the GTX 650s full potential or is it going to be able to max out a lot of games but stay at the 30-40FPS mark (I know this depends on the game) or is it time for more than just a GPU upgrade? If it is, can someone link a tower that has at least 6GB of ram, quad core processor, a 400W minimum PSU, and enough room on the PCI x16 slot to fit a GTX 650?

Any help is much appreciated!

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November 30, 2012 8:13:15 PM

try to overclock your CPU if there is any fps increase then your CPU is causing the problem
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November 30, 2012 8:19:58 PM

Turn v sync off in the graphics card options of the game as it will limit the frame rate of the game, you should be getting a higher frame rate out of the 650 card.
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November 30, 2012 8:20:30 PM

west7 said:
try to overclock your CPU if there is any fps increase then your CPU is causing the problem

I looked into overclocking. Learned how to do it so i could try and check if it is CPU related, got into BIOS, nothing about CPU. I'm sure im just missing something because all BIOS allow overclocking. Right? O_o
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November 30, 2012 8:24:38 PM

weaselman said:
Turn v sync off in the graphics card options of the game as it will limit the frame rate of the game, you should be getting a higher frame rate out of the 650 card.

I had it off. I was getting up to 60FPS when there was nothing particularly taxing such as looking at the ground. But 60 FPS is still kinda low for not rendering all that much. Its borderlands 2 were talking here. Not a particularly demanding game. Thanks for the info about V Sync though.
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November 30, 2012 8:28:33 PM

if u cant find any thing about overclocking in the bios i think your motherboard Don't support overclocking
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November 30, 2012 8:29:00 PM

Do you have phsyX set on high/medium ? (on borderlands 2)
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November 30, 2012 8:40:36 PM

djangoringo said:
Do you have phsyX set on high/medium ? (on borderlands 2)

Only low for both cards. Both cards drop to 20FPS when its a large area like the first town where the guy repairs Claptraps eye. I know a drop like that shouldn't happen from a GTX 650 Ti.
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November 30, 2012 8:41:22 PM

west7 said:
if u cant find any thing about overclocking in the bios i think your motherboard Don't support overclocking

I don't think it does either. :/ 
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November 30, 2012 9:29:48 PM

Try lowering your resolution. If your fps stays roughly the same, then your performance is limited by the cpu.
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November 30, 2012 10:09:50 PM

Well what drivers are you using ?
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November 30, 2012 10:31:28 PM

I don't think physx should be enabled with either of those cards. the processor is also too dated to provide adequate frames.

is this an on line only game and is it throttled down by steam ? or is there a maximum frame rate set by game or server ?
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November 30, 2012 10:43:39 PM

Your CPU is bottlenecking your 650Ti. That and Physx are very demanding... I'm surprised you're even getting 40FPS LOL! Your Processor suggests that your MoBo uses PCIe 1.0... Maybe... Not sure on that. If you ran a game like Metro 2033 on MAX settings, you'd probably get better FPS on the 650Ti.
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November 30, 2012 10:47:44 PM

cobot said:
Try lowering your resolution. If your fps stays roughly the same, then your performance is limited by the cpu.

I will try that.
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November 30, 2012 10:55:15 PM

griptwister said:
Your CPU is bottlenecking your 650Ti. That and Physx are very demanding... I'm surprised you're even getting 40FPS LOL! Your Processor suggests that your MoBo uses PCIe 1.0... Maybe... Not sure on that. If you ran a game like Metro 2033 on MAX settings, you'd probably get better FPS on the 650Ti.

It is PCI 1.1 but that shouldnt cause a major bottleneck. Its about 2% performance loss at most.
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November 30, 2012 10:56:16 PM

prototype18 said:
Well what drivers are you using ?

Nvidias most recent Beta drivers. 311 I believe.
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November 30, 2012 11:01:13 PM

It could be the cpu, the first phenom x4's were pretty meh. I had a 9950 and was not impressed. If I remember the frequencies, a 2.3 ghz was on the low-mid end as well.
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November 30, 2012 11:11:45 PM

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_650_Ti_Direc...
That is with low physX and high settings 1920x1200 (with older drivers)

Clearly a bottleneck of the cpu and/or the psu(i don't know what is it) is throttling the card.
What is the mobo and see if you can switch for a x4 965 be
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December 1, 2012 12:27:51 AM

djangoringo said:
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_650_Ti_Direc...
That is with low physX and high settings 1920x1200 (with older drivers)

Clearly a bottleneck of the cpu and/or the psu(i don't know what is it) is throttling the card.
What is the mobo and see if you can switch for a x4 965 be

I ran task manager as I played Borderlands 2, CPU was maxed constantly at a open area and still only giving 17-21 FPS. I put the 8800GT back in and went to same area with same settings, again, 17-21 FPS. Heres everything you need to know about the PC. http://support.gateway.com/s/PC/R/1015005R/1015005Rnv.s...

I think it may be time for a new PC. Someone please point in the direction of one with a good CPU and bad GPU seeing how I have the GTX 650 already. Maybe i5 Quad core.
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December 1, 2012 12:30:41 AM

xFriarx said:
It could be the cpu, the first phenom x4's were pretty meh. I had a 9950 and was not impressed. If I remember the frequencies, a 2.3 ghz was on the low-mid end as well.

It is the CPU unfortunately. Now that iv done some reliable benchmarks, I have absolutely ZERO performance gain from the GTX 650 Ti. Heres the PC specs. http://support.gateway.com/s/PC/R/1015005R/1015005Rnv.s...
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December 1, 2012 8:06:07 AM

Yes it is the CPU. Even if you oc it you cant keep up with new gaming demands.

Maybe a new PC is needed. You already have the GPU, Take that 500 Gb Hdd and buy

CPU/MOBO/RAM/PSU.

If you want to tell us the budget and maybe we can help you :) 
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December 1, 2012 4:43:39 PM

prototype18 said:
Yes it is the CPU. Even if you oc it you cant keep up with new gaming demands.

Maybe a new PC is needed. You already have the GPU, Take that 500 Gb Hdd and buy

CPU/MOBO/RAM/PSU.

If you want to tell us the budget and maybe we can help you :) 

Heres some interesting benchmarks, Crysis 2 Ultra settings (Highest) 8800GT DX10 22FPS Minimum. GTX 650 Ti DX 11 Ultra settings 10 FPS Minimum, GTX 650 Ti DX10 Ultra 22FPS Minimum. Btw, im playing on 1366x768p If you could link a PC with 6-8GB RAM and a Quad core i3 or i5 and has a dual slot PCI x16 (So a gtx 650 could fit) but doesnt have a GPU, please do link.
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December 1, 2012 5:06:24 PM

Well you can just buy or make a new one. .Tell me your budget ?
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December 1, 2012 6:49:24 PM

prototype18 said:
Well you can just buy or make a new one. .Tell me your budget ?

Id rather just buy. 400-500 is budget. Doesnt need at all a good GPU seeing how I have the GTX.
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