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January 14, 2013 10:28:12 PM

Approximate Purchase Date: 1 or 2 weeks(can wait though)

Budget Range: $1500-$2000 excluding rebates

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, and Animes

Are you buying a monitor: Yes

Parts to Upgrade: Everything including monitor

Do you need to buy OS: No, I have a full version of Win7 ultimate

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: I prefer Amazon, Newegg and NCIX but if price is a huge difference i might buy over there

Location: California

Parts Preferences: Any reputable brand

Overclocking: Yes, i always wanted to try to do some heavy OCing, might even try out the IHS removal method i have seen on youtube

SLI or Crossfire: Yes, in the future

Your Monitor Resolution: don't have one currently

Additional Comments: Silent but cool

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: Just need an upgrade of GPU, and i thought i might as well upgrade my whole system

Build of what i am currently thinking of

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Xigmatek AEGIR SD128264 89.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($66.98 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z77 MPOWER ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Tactical 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1.5TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: OCZ Vertex 4 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($212.95 @ Mac Connection)
Video Card: Asus Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card ($499.99 @ Amazon)
Sound Card: HT Omega eClaro 24-bit 192 KHz Sound Card ($184.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master Storm Stryker (White) ATX Full Tower Case ($144.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional Gold 850W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($144.49 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Asus PB278Q 27.0" Monitor ($678.00 @ Amazon)
Total: $2462.34
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-14 19:27 EST-0500)
January 14, 2013 10:35:32 PM

Everything looks okay, but I'd make these changes:

I'd personally change the CPU cooler, I have no idea what Xigmatek is, as it's not available in my country, so I presume it's a lower ended brand. Maybe something like a Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo if you want great performance at a low price, it's considered the best of the best, or for great performance on a loose budget, I'd pick the Noctua D-14.

I'd also change the SSD to a Intel 520 250GB or Samsung 830/840 Pro 256GB, I feel those two choices would provide more stability and reliability.

There isn't any need for a soundcard, especially not a $180 one.

Grab a 750W PSU, most hardware nowadays are using less energy, as new hardware comes out, they will continue using less. 850W seems pretty overkill.

I'd also probably change the ram brand, I don't know much of Crucial and their ram, so I'd pick something from Mushkin, Corsair or the likes. But that's just me :) 
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January 14, 2013 10:38:11 PM

But if i add inside a second card, it says i will use close to 750W
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January 14, 2013 10:40:13 PM

travishuynh said:
But if i add inside a second card, it says i will use close to 750W


I'll be honest, I'm not exactly a pro when it comes to measuring power with multi GPU set ups, but in my experience, I've run both Crossfire 6950's and SLI GTX580's, both were OC'ed and I did it all on a 750w Cooler Master PSU. Most newer graphics cards use far less power, at least from what I've read. I doubt you'd even hit 650w on a crossfire setup.
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January 14, 2013 10:46:38 PM

I heard that Corsair's power supplies are made from seasonic, and that seasonic one is priced just as high and is at gold rating
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January 14, 2013 10:47:45 PM

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heres a better and revised build for ya.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xDAo
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xDAo/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xDAo/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Silver Arrow CPU Cooler ($69.70 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: MSI Z77A-G45 Thunderbolt ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($144.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($73.74 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: G.Skill Phoenix III 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($179.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($379.99 @ Newegg)
Sound Card: Asus Xonar Phoebus 24-bit 96 KHz Sound Card ($187.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT Phantom (Black/Orange) ATX Full Tower Case ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic M12II 850W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($140.17 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($55.98 @ NCIX US)
Monitor: Asus PB278Q 27.0" Monitor ($678.00 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($87.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $2378.51
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-14 19:41 EST-0500)


Once again, is there really any need for a 850w power supply and a $190 sound card? I have a sound card in my current system (which I'm also trying to sell >.<) and I barely notice a difference, then again, I'm not audiophile.

In my opinion, grab a 750w Power supply, of either Corsair or Seasonic and if you desperately want a soundcard, I'm sure a $40 one will do just as well.

I'd even cut down to 8gb of ram unless you're video editing or use the computer for more than gaming. You said it's a $1500-$2000 gaming build, therefore, you shouldn't, in theory, need more than 8gb of ram, unless you venture into rending and editing.

You want something silent and cool, I'd grab a Fractal Design Define R4, it's considered the best case for quietness and performance + it's got amazing cooling options, as long as you don't intend on water cooling.

And you already have Win7 Ultimate, don't need to worry about buying a new operating system.
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January 14, 2013 10:49:32 PM

travishuynh said:
I heard that Corsair's power supplies are made from seasonic, and that seasonic one is priced just as high and is at gold rating


I've heard similar stories, apparently Seasonic distributes all the power supplies to the major company, so it doesn't really matter who you choose from, as long as it's a trusted brand.
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January 14, 2013 10:52:56 PM

SeaSonic PSU is most likely better, since (this isn't even a rumor or a story, this is a fact) SeaSonic is the OEM for Corsair AX650-850 power supplies, and I think the platinum line too. The "reliability" issues with OCZ was just a numbers trick. More people bought OCZ drives when Sandforce controllers had issues, thus more problems. Xonar Essence STX is a better sound card than the Phoebus and the since OP wanted silence, a Fractal Design R4 would have fit him better. I would also recommend the D14 over the Silver Arrow, and a Gigabyte Z77X-UP4 TH since MSI still uses analog power delivery
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January 14, 2013 10:59:48 PM

Phantom has OPEN PANELS and no sound proofing. It IS louder than the Fractal. RAM is always upgradeable so I do suggest 2x8GB. 850W is more like it since 2 7970s kind of pushes the envelope of a 750W PSU, especially if he overclocks. Also read my previous post. There are some serious concerns there.
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January 14, 2013 11:00:23 PM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($80.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V PRO/THUNDERBOLT ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($233.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($47.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 830 Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($379.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional Gold 750W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($135.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($55.98 @ NCIX US)
Monitor: Asus PB278Q 27.0" Monitor ($678.00 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($87.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $2260.87
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-14 19:59 EST-0500)

I agree with the Gigabyte Z77X-UP4 TH, but I just prefer Asus over Gigabyte, hence I put in the V-Pro Thunderbolt. I'd personally grab a GTX670, but really only because I prefer nVIDIA over AMD.
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January 14, 2013 11:02:56 PM

He doesn't need Windows. So with that money upgrade the power supply to something that will support that system + CFX + overclock. I prefer Asus too, but Gigabyte is quite a bit cheaper.
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January 14, 2013 11:03:49 PM

UVB076 said:
He doesn't need Windows. So with that money upgrade the power supply to something that will support that system + CFX + overclock. I prefer Asus too, but Gigabyte is quite a bit cheaper.


Whoops, I forgot to remove that. I was wondering why the price was higher than it should have been. I mentioned that earlier anyway. Thanks for pointing that out :) 
A 750w is heaps, I can overclock my 5970 AND my CPU and still have a ton of breathing room with my Power supply (I use an 850w, but I'd still be completely fine with a 750w)
As I stated earlier, I've run multi GPU (2 seperate graphic cards) setups with 6950's and GTX580's, with everything over clocked on a not-so-great Cooler Master bronze PSU. That was also with a 2500K OC'ed to about 4.2-4.5.
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January 14, 2013 11:05:20 PM

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he wants an expensive sound card, and 80+bronze or gold isnt an issue, if theres enought voltage and quality caps on the ps.

also 8gigs isnt as futureproof as 16gig, and isnt much more for 16.

the phantom isnt that loud and has better cooling than the fractal design case.

heres my revised build with a full tower.

and yes 750watts is more future proof if hes gonna run 2x7950s and more in the future :) 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xDIA
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xDIA/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xDIA/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Silver Arrow CPU Cooler ($69.70 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: MSI Z77A-G45 Thunderbolt ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($144.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($73.74 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: G.Skill Phoenix III 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($179.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($379.99 @ Newegg)
Sound Card: Asus Xonar Phoebus 24-bit 96 KHz Sound Card ($187.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT Phantom (Black/Orange) ATX Full Tower Case ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional Gold 750W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($135.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($55.98 @ NCIX US)
Monitor: Asus PB278Q 27.0" Monitor ($678.00 @ Amazon)
Total: $2286.34
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-14 19:53 EST-0500)


heres what i would say is wrong

-id get a d14 any day. more compatable with ram and mounting is a lot more easy. like a lot more
-i wouldnt recommend cheap motherboards. sure it has thunderbolt and all that but the odds are that you dont have a thunderbolt device. and the fact that msi doesnt have anything near the quality of the components used on the gigabyte board. digital power delivery is always better
-id rather get a samsung SSD
-stx will sound better.
-the R4 will be more silent. its a guarantee
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January 14, 2013 11:08:06 PM

TheBigTroll said:
heres what i would say is wrong

-id get a d14 any day. more compatable with ram and mounting is a lot more easy. like a lot more
-i wouldnt recommend cheap motherboards. sure it has thunderbolt and all that but the odds are that you dont have a thunderbolt device. and the fact that msi doesnt have anything near the quality of the components used on the gigabyte board. digital power delivery is always better
-id rather get a samsung SSD
-stx will sound better.
-the R4 will be more silent. its a guarantee


Just backing up what TheBigTroll is saying, the AsRock Z77 Extreme 4 will do you justice, and it's priced at about $130 or so.
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January 14, 2013 11:08:17 PM

heres what i would get instead
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xDTM

CPU cooler is not compatable from the box but all you have to do is email noctua and they will send you a free 1155 mounting bracket. the reason i chose the 2011 edition is that it comes with pwm fans
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January 14, 2013 11:09:13 PM

manshiny said:
Just backing up what TheBigTroll is saying, the AsRock Z77 Extreme 4 will do you justice, and it's priced at about $130 or so.


id still rather get a gigabyte. the extreme4 doesnt have a digital power delivery as well
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January 14, 2013 11:10:45 PM

TheBigTroll said:
id still rather get a gigabyte. the extreme4 doesnt have a digital power delivery as well


I'd still pick Asus over any brand lol, but this isn't my build so I'm just trying to be helpful :) 
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January 14, 2013 11:15:03 PM

true say but asus doesnt offer the most hardware for the buck like gigabyte
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January 14, 2013 11:16:42 PM

Asus offers the most cool factor by not choosing the ugliest shade of blue known to mankind -cough- MSI -cough-
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January 14, 2013 11:17:20 PM

TheBigTroll said:
true say but asus doesnt offer the most hardware for the buck like gigabyte


I guess at the end of the day, it's up to the buyer. I know Asus is more pricey than Gigabyte, but I'd much rather go with Asus, even though their customer support is apparently terrible. I've had no trouble with them in the past though, so I figure, why not?
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January 14, 2013 11:18:15 PM

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xDYW
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xDYW/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xDYW/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Silver Arrow CPU Cooler ($69.70 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: MSI Z77A-G45 Thunderbolt ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($144.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($73.74 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: G.Skill Phoenix III 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($179.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($379.99 @ Newegg)
Sound Card: Asus Xonar Phoebus 24-bit 96 KHz Sound Card ($187.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT Phantom (Black/Orange) ATX Full Tower Case ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Silverstone Strider Plus 850W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($129.98 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($55.98 @ NCIX US)
Monitor: Asus PB278Q 27.0" Monitor ($678.00 @ Amazon)
Total: $2280.33
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-14 20:16 EST-0500)

1. the phobus is just as good as the stx. 2. msi isnt garbage and ive owned many quality boards from them.

3. the gskill is just as good as the 830 and similar priced.

4. the dh14 doesnt cool really better than the arrow and cost 13-14$ more.

and is larger.



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January 14, 2013 11:18:17 PM

What is the difference of the UD5H and UP4?
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January 14, 2013 11:18:35 PM

It is preference, but it's around $80 cheaper is it not? Don't worry we both have Asus mobos.
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January 14, 2013 11:19:24 PM

travishuynh said:
What is the difference of the UD5H and UP4?


The basics are that the UP4 has thunderbolt and the UD5 has dual ethernet.
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January 14, 2013 11:19:55 PM

Also i don't use optical drive much, what other kinds of benefits will you gain from using one?
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January 14, 2013 11:20:17 PM

UP4 has slightly upgraded VRM compared to UD5H. It uses IR3550 mosfets with IR3563 6 phase PWM (same as UD5H) and upgraded chocks.
UD5H offers better audio with headphone amplifier, and gives you SATA ports instead of thunderbolt. Few weeks ago I discovered that UD5H apparently has problems with audio in Linux. It won't output audio from green connector. So UP4 may be a better choice after all, especially if you don't really care about audio. On the other hand, UP4 doesn't have onboard buttons such as clear CMOS (there is jumper though) which you require.

those are the basic differences, and yeah thunderbolt isnt necessery but a bonus, and dualinternet i dunno why someone would need that.

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January 14, 2013 11:20:31 PM

travishuynh said:
What is the difference of the UD5H and UP4?


ud5h has a stuffed back IO plate and a lot more onboard features than the UP4. the UP4 has thunderbolt (therefore it takes up more bandwith=less io options avaliable) and has a better power delivery circuit (the best pretty much)
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January 14, 2013 11:20:40 PM

iceclock said:
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xDYW
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xDYW/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xDYW/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Silver Arrow CPU Cooler ($69.70 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: MSI Z77A-G45 Thunderbolt ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($144.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($73.74 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: G.Skill Phoenix III 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($179.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($379.99 @ Newegg)
Sound Card: Asus Xonar Phoebus 24-bit 96 KHz Sound Card ($187.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT Phantom (Black/Orange) ATX Full Tower Case ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Silverstone Strider Plus 850W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($129.98 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($55.98 @ NCIX US)
Monitor: Asus PB278Q 27.0" Monitor ($678.00 @ Amazon)
Total: $2280.33
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-14 20:16 EST-0500)

1. the phobus is just as good as the stx. 2. msi isnt garbage and ive owned many quality boards from them.

3. the gskill is just as good as the 830 and similar priced.

4. the dh14 doesnt cool really better than the arrow and cost 13-14$ more.

and is larger.


The theory, benchmarks and reviews do not seem to agree with you. Sorry.
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January 14, 2013 11:20:57 PM

well i chose a blue ray burner, and dvdburner, i mean for 30$ more for a blueray reader its worth it, unless u absolutely dont watch any bluerays or intend to burn anything.

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January 14, 2013 11:21:08 PM

iceclock said:
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xDYW
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xDYW/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xDYW/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Silver Arrow CPU Cooler ($69.70 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: MSI Z77A-G45 Thunderbolt ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($144.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($73.74 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: G.Skill Phoenix III 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($179.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($379.99 @ Newegg)
Sound Card: Asus Xonar Phoebus 24-bit 96 KHz Sound Card ($187.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT Phantom (Black/Orange) ATX Full Tower Case ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Silverstone Strider Plus 850W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($129.98 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($55.98 @ NCIX US)
Monitor: Asus PB278Q 27.0" Monitor ($678.00 @ Amazon)
Total: $2280.33
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-14 20:16 EST-0500)

1. the phobus is just as good as the stx. 2. msi isnt garbage and ive owned many quality boards from them.

3. the gskill is just as good as the 830 and similar priced.

4. the dh14 doesnt cool really better than the arrow and cost 13-14$ more.

and is larger.


Also i have heard bad stories about sandforce drivers, is it still true today?
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January 14, 2013 11:22:40 PM

if u say so ufb, moving on.

my build is of top notch quality, and unless u bring some good arguments why it isnt ur just blowing smoke up the pipeline.

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January 14, 2013 11:23:04 PM

travishuynh said:
Also i don't use optical drive much, what other kinds of benefits will you gain from using one?


HA! I'd say get an external optical. It's almost pointless having an internal as you barely use disks after Windows 7 is installed. Most people just download their games directly of clients and a few old school people will buy retail. Even though I mix it up and sometimes buy retail (there's nothing like owning a physical copy of something!) I'd still pick a external optical any day.
There's no benefits really of getting an internal, I personally think it's a waste of space.
regarding hardware selection, it seems as though you've got the answers you need, you just need to piece all the advice together and you'll have a nice solid build.
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January 14, 2013 11:23:10 PM

iceclock said:
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xDYW
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xDYW/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xDYW/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Silver Arrow CPU Cooler ($69.70 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: MSI Z77A-G45 Thunderbolt ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($144.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($73.74 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: G.Skill Phoenix III 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($179.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($379.99 @ Newegg)
Sound Card: Asus Xonar Phoebus 24-bit 96 KHz Sound Card ($187.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT Phantom (Black/Orange) ATX Full Tower Case ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Silverstone Strider Plus 850W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($129.98 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($55.98 @ NCIX US)
Monitor: Asus PB278Q 27.0" Monitor ($678.00 @ Amazon)
Total: $2280.33
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-14 20:16 EST-0500)

1. the phobus is just as good as the stx. 2. msi isnt garbage and ive owned many quality boards from them.

3. the gskill is just as good as the 830 and similar priced.

4. the dh14 doesnt cool really better than the arrow and cost 13-14$ more.

and is larger.


-um no. if the phobeus was that good sounding, audiophiles would go for that, but they wouldnt. the phobeus sounds the same as their previous gaming card, the xense
-no. the gskill is a generic sandforce sync flash drive vs a custom toggle flash drive. would you like the benchmarks?
-yes the d14 doesnt cool better but it mounts a hell of a lot easier. the silver arrow is larger. just the fan takes up 2 slots of your motherboard ram
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January 14, 2013 11:24:38 PM

sandforce user here (mushkin chronos deluxe) and its fine. still better than a gskill
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January 14, 2013 11:25:23 PM

Also what is the difference 7970 vs 7970 GHz edition at my res? I have seen a lot of people happy with the GHz edition and got a lot better results over the 7970
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January 14, 2013 11:26:50 PM

the phoenix 3 is a great drive, and i beleive theyve adress the issue with sandforce with newer firmware.


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January 14, 2013 11:27:40 PM

Also what do PWM fans do, i was going to replace some of the fans anyways.

Also i need some suggestions of quiet fans.
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January 14, 2013 11:30:11 PM

i know people who own the phoenix 3 works great, its possible the chronos works good, and the dh14 is actual just as big or larger than the silverarrow and cost more.

not really since u can overclock the 7970 stock to higher clock, or keep stock speed.

u wont really require overclocking to be honest the 7970 is mad fast :) 

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January 14, 2013 11:30:30 PM

how many fans u need travish?
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January 14, 2013 11:32:04 PM

PWM fans allow better fan speed control.
Good fans: Anything by Noctua, Scythe Gentle Typhoon, Cougar Vortex (120mm and 140mm), BitFenix Spectre Pro (only for 200mm and 230mm), Corsair AF/SP series.

The OCZ reliability issues were due to Sandforce firmware. The issues 1. were not even that common at the time, and 2. don't exist anymore.
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January 14, 2013 11:32:30 PM

Also what watercooling options are there since i heard that 7970s run a tad hot when overclocked
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January 14, 2013 11:33:11 PM

pwm fans just let you have more control with your fans while keeping the fan at a constant voltage

its a generic sandforce regular sync flash. its as fast as its going to get with any drive on that level. the only things higher and are at the same price is the sandforce with toggle flash or for 10 bucks more, the samsung
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January 14, 2013 11:33:35 PM

Don't listen to iceclock. He's wrong -_-
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January 14, 2013 11:34:48 PM

travishuynh said:
Also what watercooling options are there since i heard that 7970s run a tad hot when overclocked


you arent going to watercool in a define r4. plus, the sapphire cooler runs cool and is pretty quiet
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January 14, 2013 11:36:50 PM

good to know uvb, but i still like my crucial m4, and my next ssd will be a samsung 840pro or a corsair neutron gtx 256gb.

for fans these are the top quality and silent ones:

1

Antec BIGBOY200 200mm Case cooler
Item #: N82E16835209021
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
-$10.00 Instant


$29.99
$19.99
3

Noctua NF-P12-1300 120mm Case Fans
Item #: N82E16835608004
Return Policy: Computer Cables and Accessories Extended Return Policy
-$3.70 Sale


total 90$ for 4 top notch fans :)  and silence.

u can use the 4 fans that come with the ghost but if u want more silence the ones i pick are top notch.



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January 14, 2013 11:38:45 PM

i wouldnt say running a lot of fans would make a huge difference in temps. i turn off all but the CPU fans and im still running at the same temps
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January 14, 2013 11:40:01 PM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 CPU Cooler ($81.51 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 830 Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1.5TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($369.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Arctic White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($94.98 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: OCZ Z Series Gold 850W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($117.60 @ NCIX US)
Monitor: Asus PB278Q 27.0" Monitor ($678.00 @ Amazon)
Total: $2042.03
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-14 20:37 EST-0500)

If you go with the Fractal Define, don't even start to think about water cooling. It's a hefty and very expensive job. That Sapphire 7970 will be fine, the Vapor-X version will top any other Radeon card and provide superior Air cooling.
That build there is pretty much all you'll need, and it's $70 over budget. You'll run everything absolutely beautifully with it, and won't need to consider upgrading a long time to come, and when you finally do, just throw in a second graphics card.
regarding fans and optical drives. Fractals base fans are great quality anyway, and just buy a external Optical.
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January 14, 2013 11:40:23 PM

He has a 550D, which has LESS cooling performance than a Fractal R4.
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January 14, 2013 11:42:37 PM

Also still want to see benchmarks on 7970 vs 7970 GHz if i can.
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