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December 1, 2012 1:37:00 AM

Hi, so in my new build, ill be looking into a 670, but right now im not sure which one.
At the moment, im leaning towards the msi power edition
But there is also the ftw
Than the asus version
I heard the zotac is that fastest
Can someone please help me and clear me up on this question? Ill be playing bf3 maxed out while recording with fraps, and I need a constant 60 fps. Any other suggestions are welcome :bounce: 

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a b Î Nvidia
December 1, 2012 1:45:02 AM

I need to know the resolution you will be playing at? If 1080p then the power edition will be plenty enough.. at 1080p. Also the FTW's so i'm told perform on par with reference 680's so a FTW isn't a bad op either
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December 1, 2012 1:46:10 AM

Rockdpm said:
I need to know the resolution you will be playing at? If 1080p then the power edition will be plenty enough.. at 1080p. Also the FTW's so i'm told perform on par with reference 680's so a FTW isn't a bad op either


Yea, 1080p
I also heard that the ftw gets a bit hot at times. The msi is also on par with the 680.
Thanks :) 
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a b Î Nvidia
December 1, 2012 3:30:11 AM

Yea Power Edition is way to go for 670.. I use the EVGA 670 but I'm stepping up to a 680 within the month
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December 1, 2012 4:07:40 AM

MSI's GTX 670 Power Edition uses the famous Twin Frozr IV cooler from the MSI Lightning and comes with a large clock speed boost out of the box, making its default clock speed even higher than GTX 680 stock clocks. MSI is asking $389.99 price for their card, which doesn't look unreasonable, given the improved cooling and higher clocks.I have two and highly recommend the card.
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December 1, 2012 5:38:04 AM

I'm waiting for the 770 or 780 myself :D  But It'll boil down to how much money I have by next Black Friday... If I was buying a 670 Though... I'd Go for a 670 4Gb model, Just in case... it'd suck to buy a good card then run out of vram later... But I like the performance of the MSI Power Edition 670, and the Blue LEDs look pretty freaking cool lol!
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December 1, 2012 8:10:30 AM

I received my evga 670 today.put it and new power supply in.and it's taken me 10 hours to try figure out why I cant play battlefield3 on higher fps than 30.I have i5 processor.as else as I am concerned Tigris more than enough.I am currently wiping my pc right now as a last resort.
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a b Î Nvidia
December 1, 2012 8:24:11 AM

From best to worst from techpowerup

ASUS GeForce GTX 670 Direct CU II TOP - 10.0 rated (only card ever to get a 10.0)
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_670...

Gigabyte GTX 670 OC - 9.8 rated
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Gigabyte/GeForce_GTX...


MSI GTX 670 Power Edition Twin Frozr IV - 9.7 rated
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_670_Power_Ed...


Palit GeForce GTX 670 JetStream - 9.7 rated
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Palit/GeForce_GTX_67...


ZOTAC GeForce GTX 670 AMP! Edition - 9.6 rated
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_67...

They didn't do the EVGA so.....

http://www.guru3d.com/article/evga-geforce-gtx-670-sc-r...
EVGA SC Boost Clock is 1046 outta the box....stable at 1200 Mhz
EVGA SC gets 3DMark Score of 8691 outta the box and 9443 OC'd
Idle temp is 29C / load temp is 78C
Noise is 37 dBA Idle / 43 dBA under load

http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-geforce-gtx-670-dire...
Asus TOP Boost Clock is 1137 outta the box .... stable at 1280 Mhz
Asus gets 3DMark Score of 9340 outta the box and 9839 OC'd
Idle temp is 30C / load temp is 72C
Noise is 37 dBA Idle / 38 dBA under load

That makes the Asus 7% faster outta the box than the EVGA SC, 6C cooler and almost 1/4 as loud under load (every 3 dBA is a doubling of sound level). The FTW is slightly faster than the SC, leaving the Asus model w/ just a 5% performance advantage and then if you look at these benchmarks which are all out dated btw so take them with a grain of salt.



http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r... (670 PE OC)

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r... (ASUS 670 TOP OC)

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_geforce_gtx_6... (ASUS 670 TOP Overclocking)

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_67... (MSI 670 PE Overclocking)

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_geforce_gtx_6... (ASUS 670 TOP Temperature)

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_67... (MSI 670 PE Temperature)

What's my point all are good and there is not a clear answer to which is best nothing is perfect between any of the cards.Hope this helps!
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December 1, 2012 11:27:09 AM

Thanks for all the answers :) 
The top is out of my budget, it will be run on a i5 3570k.
So I guess the msi is the way to go, and later ill just sli it or wait till the 770 comes out.
Does anyone know dates of when the 700 is coming out?
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December 1, 2012 11:27:10 AM

griptwister said:
I'm waiting for the 770 or 780 myself :D  But It'll boil down to how much money I have by next Black Friday... If I was buying a 670 Though... I'd Go for a 670 4Gb model, Just in case... it'd suck to buy a good card then run out of vram later... But I like the performance of the MSI Power Edition 670, and the Blue LEDs look pretty freaking cool lol!


Do you know when the dates of release are?
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December 1, 2012 2:45:37 PM

sitbar said:
Do you know when the dates of release are?

When release gets closer you will hear about it... But since things are still under NDA on the 700 series... also we hardly know much as it is other than more power efficient and mere % of increase in performance over 600 series
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December 1, 2012 3:13:22 PM

I am seriously displeased with NVIDIA recent focus and idea.The way it seems to me, future cards are only going to be worse for the overclocking crowd. NV already started locking voltage on cards and if NV keep headed on this path i can only imagine future cards will be for the non over clock crowd and those interested in saving a few bucks a year on their electric bill sigh.... what a nightmare.I really wish NV have a change of heart.
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December 1, 2012 3:47:07 PM

sitbar said:
Do you know when the dates of release are?


Supposedly March 2013 :D 
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a b Î Nvidia
December 1, 2012 7:02:21 PM

bigcyco1 said:
I am seriously displeased with NVIDIA recent focus and idea.The way it seems to me, future cards are only going to be worse for the overclocking crowd. NV already started locking voltage on cards and if NV keep headed on this path i can only imagine future cards will be for the non over clock crowd and those interested in saving a few bucks a year on their electric bill sigh.... what a nightmare.I really wish NV have a change of heart.

yea sadly Intel is going that way to
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a b Î Nvidia
December 1, 2012 7:36:36 PM

bigcyco1 said:
I am seriously displeased with NVIDIA recent focus and idea.The way it seems to me, future cards are only going to be worse for the overclocking crowd. NV already started locking voltage on cards and if NV keep headed on this path i can only imagine future cards will be for the non over clock crowd and those interested in saving a few bucks a year on their electric bill sigh.... what a nightmare.I really wish NV have a change of heart.

Intel is going that same way to
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December 1, 2012 7:58:59 PM

Rockdpm said:
Intel is going that same way to
Looks like it might be time to go AMD for me then
kidding!I would use AMD cards no problem i find AMD worthy in the GPU department but cpus i pass ;) 
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December 1, 2012 8:04:28 PM

bigcyco1 said:
Looks like it might be time to go AMD for me then ]http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-shocked001.gif
kidding!I would use AMD cards no problem i find AMD worthy in the GPU department but cpus ]http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-shocked019.gif i pass ;) 

well Intel won't be so bad. After haswell they are moving to bga so the CPU will be basically integrated into the motherboard.. But will supposedly cut cost.. But if the name Intel is on it... Your paying on their term. As for NVIDIA. As long as the gpu can handle the job at hand then enthusiast can keep older gems for the over lock crave
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December 1, 2012 8:08:38 PM

Rockdpm said:
well Intel won't be so bad. After haswell they are moving to bga so the CPU will be basically integrated into the motherboard.. But will supposedly cut cost.. But if the name Intel is on it... Your paying on their term. As for NVIDIA. As long as the gpu can handle the job at hand then enthusiast can keep older gems for the over lock crave
Yeah i never thought of it that way!Good advice thanks! :) 
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December 1, 2012 10:01:09 PM

bigcyco1 said:
Yeah i never thought of it that way!Good advice thanks! :) 

Yea dude :sol: 
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December 1, 2012 10:39:53 PM

Rockdpm said:
well Intel won't be so bad. After haswell they are moving to bga so the CPU will be basically integrated into the motherboard.. But will supposedly cut cost.. But if the name Intel is on it... Your paying on their term. As for NVIDIA. As long as the gpu can handle the job at hand then enthusiast can keep older gems for the over lock crave


:(  But that takes the fun out of installing and upgrading your CPU...
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a b Î Nvidia
December 1, 2012 10:43:22 PM

griptwister said:
:(  But that takes the fun out of installing and upgrading your CPU...

huh?

it would be more fun to try to solder a new chip on the board :) 
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a b Î Nvidia
December 1, 2012 10:59:42 PM

Anonymous said:
huh?

it would be more fun to try to solder a new chip on the board :) 

Gentlemen... Welcome to the next level of enthusiast
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a b Î Nvidia
December 2, 2012 1:20:22 AM

bigcyco1 said:
I would not consider myself a enthusiast that's kinda like what this butt pirate is right? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k3xqsFa7wA&list=UL

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/250x250/27162363...

an enthusiast is someone who is really dedicated to computers.. Someone that knows his stuff... But its more than that to. You know how to overclock, whats stable..You know what hardware is the best for price point. You know how to build a computer (which everyone should) that stands out from the others.. and you can do all this....while teaching a kid how to fix his Mac Pro because mac's....are for noobs. :sol: 
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December 2, 2012 1:27:18 AM

Rockdpm said:
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/250x250/27162363...

an enthusiast is someone who is really dedicated to computers.. Someone that knows his stuff... But its more than that to. You know how to overclock, whats stable..You know what hardware is the best for price point. You know how to build a computer (which everyone should) that stands out from the others.. and you can do all this....while teaching a kid how to fix his Mac Pro because mac's....are for noobs. :sol: 

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a b Î Nvidia
December 2, 2012 1:48:41 AM

Yes
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December 2, 2012 4:09:06 AM

Anonymous said:
huh?

it would be more fun to try to solder a new chip on the board :) 


:na:  True facts! LOL

#Applesucks only good thing they ever made are iPods... everything else is over rated and over priced. :D  PC's forever!
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December 2, 2012 4:27:00 AM

griptwister said:
:na:  True facts! LOL

#Applesucks only good thing they ever made are iPods... everything else is over rated and over priced. :D  PC's forever!

:D 
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December 2, 2012 4:51:31 AM

jaideep1337 said:
Once again I am going to say it. DO NOT buy the msi power edition.

The reason is this: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/MSI-GTX-660-670-overvo...

There have been a good number of problems thanks to MSI's overvolting so go for other brands this generation. EVGA and ASUS will be the best choices.


They're fine now... I don't why you're bringing old news on here. The MSI GTX 670 Power Edition is just fine.
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a b Î Nvidia
December 2, 2012 4:53:44 AM

jaideep1337 said:
Once again I am going to say it. DO NOT buy the msi power edition.

The reason is this: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/MSI-GTX-660-670-overvo...

There have been a good number of problems thanks to MSI's overvolting so go for other brands this generation. EVGA and ASUS will be the best choices.

you do realize there is someone on this thread that has TWO of them?
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December 2, 2012 5:24:40 AM

jaideep1337 said:
Once again I am going to say it. DO NOT buy the msi power edition.

The reason is this: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/MSI-GTX-660-670-overvo...

There have been a good number of problems thanks to MSI's overvolting so go for other brands this generation. EVGA and ASUS will be the best choices.
Hog wash!!Read the reply Quote: 1. MSI respects the result which is tested by Tom's Hardware, but we have much confidence and believe our products would not cause any customer RMA concerns.

2. Since MSI designs these custom products with overclocking in mind, we "supercharge" these cards because we're anticipating enthusiast to overclock. Because of this design decision and the higher component quality, we're able to provide more power to the board resulting in higher and longer GPU Boost operation without reducing the lifetime of the graphics card or warranty term.

Basically MSI is trying to be civil despite Toms Hardware bashing and lack of respect for MSI read between the lines of the comment MSI is telling TH The bottom line:
If MSI states "3 years warranty" for these products, we don't have any subject of discussion here.We respect you and can assure you of our product.The cards have already passed testing.


I for one, would rather get this version of the card. Haters gonna hate because it outperforms the other brands.

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Re: MSI caught: more boost by purposely built-in circuit fault
« Reply #22 on: 01-October-12, 21:12:41 »
The overvoltage this is all about does not concern the gpu so won't make a real difference for consumption. Also the starting up issue has never been reported on this forum although we are addressing a global audience while the few reports are from the german Tom's Hardware site only (and some competing manufacturers). So quite odd that problem did not show up here first where more customers of those very popular cards are around.



http://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=162140.msg11884...

You have to wonder what TH's role is in this, their article sounds completely biased against MSI.They have a weak case at best where are all these users having issues a few does not count there needs to be proof of purchases provided with statements of these claims to even back up it's legit and you should be concerned.Look at all other professional review sites they award the card and recommend it. I for one, applaud MSI for providing a card better than the competition.Here professional reviews do not agree with TH

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_670_Power_Ed...

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4779/msi_geforce_gtx_6...


http://www.guru3d.com/article/msi-geforce-gtx-670-power...

Ok, let's cut to the chase! Enthusiasts have been exceeding published maximums and limits on voltages and settings for years on CPU's, RAM, and VGA's. It is usually all upon the end user if it all goes bad. In this specific situation of MSI 'enhancing' their VGA product and standing behind it with a warranty, that is a 'very' bold move (or risk) on their part. A true enthusiast is going to push his components regardless if it is covered by warranty or not.

If other manufacturers (or brand fanboy product reviewers) are crying the blues about these modifications that result in handily beating out their models, that's just too bad! In my honest opinion, the thread you linked is a malicious pile of manure aimed at nothing but to discredit MSI's effort to provide the enthusiast with a VGA second to none in performance!TH has no right to do that they are a review site not a manufacturer i am curious does the person from TH even qualify to make such claims i don't know.I would assume they must otherwise they could be sued.
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December 2, 2012 3:17:04 PM

bigcyco1 said:
Hog wash!!Read the reply Quote: 1. MSI respects the result which is tested by Tom's Hardware, but we have much confidence and believe our products would not cause any customer RMA concerns.

2. Since MSI designs these custom products with overclocking in mind, we "supercharge" these cards because we're anticipating enthusiast to overclock. Because of this design decision and the higher component quality, we're able to provide more power to the board resulting in higher and longer GPU Boost operation without reducing the lifetime of the graphics card or warranty term.

Basically MSI is trying to be civil despite Toms Hardware bashing and lack of respect for MSI read between the lines of the comment MSI is telling TH The bottom line:
If MSI states "3 years warranty" for these products, we don't have any subject of discussion here.We respect you and can assure you of our product.The cards have already passed testing.


I for one, would rather get this version of the card. Haters gonna hate because it outperforms the other brands.

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Re: MSI caught: more boost by purposely built-in circuit fault
« Reply #22 on: 01-October-12, 21:12:41 »
The overvoltage this is all about does not concern the gpu so won't make a real difference for consumption. Also the starting up issue has never been reported on this forum although we are addressing a global audience while the few reports are from the german Tom's Hardware site only (and some competing manufacturers). So quite odd that problem did not show up here first where more customers of those very popular cards are around.



http://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=162140.msg11884...

You have to wonder what TH's role is in this, their article sounds completely biased against MSI.They have a weak case at best where are all these users having issues a few does not count there needs to be proof of purchases provided with statements of these claims to even back up it's legit and you should be concerned.Look at all other professional review sites they award the card and recommend it. I for one, applaud MSI for providing a card better than the competition.Here professional reviews do not agree with TH

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_670_Power_Ed...

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4779/msi_geforce_gtx_6...


http://www.guru3d.com/article/msi-geforce-gtx-670-power...

Ok, let's cut to the chase! Enthusiasts have been exceeding published maximums and limits on voltages and settings for years on CPU's, RAM, and VGA's. It is usually all upon the end user if it all goes bad. In this specific situation of MSI 'enhancing' their VGA product and standing behind it with a warranty, that is a 'very' bold move (or risk) on their part. A true enthusiast is going to push his components regardless if it is covered by warranty or not.

If other manufacturers (or brand fanboy product reviewers) are crying the blues about these modifications that result in handily beating out their models, that's just too bad! In my honest opinion, the thread you linked is a malicious pile of manure aimed at nothing but to discredit MSI's effort to provide the enthusiast with a VGA second to none in performance!TH has no right to do that they are a review site not a manufacturer i am curious does the person from TH even qualify to make such claims i don't know.I would assume they must otherwise they could be sued.


Anyways, even if the gpu does get effected, ill be upgrading when 1 670 feels slow and sli them or when the 700 series comes out. years?
So would this last for about 2-3
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December 2, 2012 3:49:49 PM

I honestly do not know.I am hoping so because i will not upgrade any time soon, who knows what games will be like or require two or three years from now.
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