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January 16, 2013 4:59:49 PM

Hello all, I live in Belgium and am university student who loves to game. I have had my computer for 7years, and it is time for me to replace it, I would also like to start streaming without having any issues.

Approximate Purchase Date: Within 3 months

Budget Range: 800-1400 Euros

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming and Streaming.

Are you buying a monitor: Yes (not included in budget range)

Parts to Upgrade: Everything

Do you need to buy OS: No

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: http://ldlc.be, http://pcspecialist.co.uk/

Location: Waterloo, Brabant-Wallon Belgium.

Parts Preferences: Asus, Intel, Nvidia

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Yes

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: I have been using the same gaming computer for 7 years now, time for a change.

I have tried to make my own computer, please let me know what you think is good, and need change (lower price for +- same output is better). (ALL prices are in euros, and tax included, no shipping cost)
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Motherboard: Intel Core i7-3770K (3.5 GHz) 213.42 €
CPU: ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 307.55 €
RAM: Corsair Dominator-GT 8 Go (2 x 4 Go) DDR3 2133 MHz CL9 104.16 €
Graphics Card:
1) Gainward GeForce GTX 670 2 GB 348.99 €
2) Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 GV-N670OC-2GD OC 2GB 367.20 €
3) Asus GTX670-DC2-2GD5 2 GB 384.40 €
4) MSI N670GTX-PM2D2GD5/OC 323.70 €
Hard Disk: Western Digital Caviar Black 1 To SATA 6Gb/s 93.84 €
Power Supply: Corsair HX650 80PLUS Gold 128.44 €
Case: Corsair Carbide 300R 70.77 €
Webcam: Logitech HD Pro Webcam C920 96.06 €

Total price of the build I made lies at around 1,363.23 €
I already have a keyboard, ssd, mouse, headse.

Thank you very much in advance!

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January 16, 2013 5:05:20 PM

Looks like an excellent build, if even a little overkill. If i were me, I would save the money and run a i5-3570K instead of the i7. And 2133 RAM provides no benefit over DDR-1600 in real performance. Sabertooth is just a waste of money, paying for the looks and branding primarily. You can pay 1/2 of that and still have a high end motheboard.

January 16, 2013 5:11:35 PM

Azurek said:
Hello all, I live in Belgium and am university student who loves to game. I have had my computer for 7years, and it is time for me to replace it, I would also like to start streaming without having any issues.

Approximate Purchase Date: Within 3 months

Budget Range: 800-1400 Euros

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming and Streaming.

Are you buying a monitor: Yes (not included in budget range)

Parts to Upgrade: Everything

Do you need to buy OS: No

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: http://ldlc.be, http://pcspecialist.co.uk/

Location: Waterloo, Brabant-Wallon Belgium.

Parts Preferences: Asus, Intel, Nvidia

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Yes

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: I have been using the same gaming computer for 7 years now, time for a change.

I have tried to make my own computer, please let me know what you think is good, and need change (lower price for +- same output is better). (ALL prices are in euros, and tax included, no shipping cost)
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Motherboard: Intel Core i7-3770K (3.5 GHz) 213.42 €
CPU: ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 307.55 €
RAM: Corsair Dominator-GT 8 Go (2 x 4 Go) DDR3 2133 MHz CL9 104.16 €
Graphics Card:
1) Gainward GeForce GTX 670 2 GB 348.99 €
2) Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 GV-N670OC-2GD OC 2GB 367.20 €
3) Asus GTX670-DC2-2GD5 2 GB 384.40 €
4) MSI N670GTX-PM2D2GD5/OC 323.70 €
Hard Disk: Western Digital Caviar Black 1 To SATA 6Gb/s 93.84 €
Power Supply: Corsair HX650 80PLUS Gold 128.44 €
Case: Corsair Carbide 300R 70.77 €
Webcam: Logitech HD Pro Webcam C920 96.06 €

Total price of the build I made lies at around 1,363.23 €
I already have a keyboard, ssd, mouse, headse.

Thank you very much in advance!


Yes drop the Sabertooth, those heatshield actually trap heat instead of dissipating it.

Rather get an HD7970 instead of a GTX670. Its faster and cheaper. And it can OC to way past a GTX680.

If you only plan to game, rather get an I5 3570K. The i7 gives you close to zero benefit in gaming. 1600Mhz RAM is sufficient but since 1866Mhz is not much more expensive, go for that. 2133 is total waste of money.
Dominator RAM is also very overpriced.

With the money you save on a board and by getting an I5 you can either get an HD7970 GHz edition(fastest single GPU available at the moment) or you can get an SSD.



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January 16, 2013 5:29:25 PM

There are two ASRock z77 Extreme 6:

ASRock Z77 Extreme6 at 171.94€
AND
ASRock Z77 Extreme6-TB4 at 192.17€

Are you sure the Sabertooth traps heat? Because I really want that Motherboard, but if what you say is true then I will gladly change it.

However, I would like to point out that I do not like AMD at all.
January 16, 2013 5:37:53 PM

I don't know if it traps heat, but any higher end motherboard is going to have adequate heatsinks on the chipsets anyway. It's kind of like how the car salesman wants to put undercoating on a new car. Just a way to pad profit margin by "solving" a non-issue.

I'd just hate to see you spend 300 euros on a motherboard when it won't improve your experience at all vs one costing half that.



January 16, 2013 5:44:07 PM

Sorry, I have written it wrong on my first post,

The Sabertooth is 213.42€

I have changed the i7 into an i5-3570k, and the RAM into 1866GHz (2x4GO) blue vengeance. This already saves me around 140€
January 16, 2013 5:47:21 PM

Azurek said:
Sorry, I have written it wrong on my first post,

The Sabertooth is 213.42€

I have changed the i7 into an i5-3570k, and the RAM into 1866GHz (2x4GO) blue vengeance. This already saves me around 140€


The normal Extreme 4 is fine. Why do you not like AMD?

EDIT : Extreme 6. Not 4.
January 16, 2013 5:51:07 PM



Azurek said:
Sorry, I have written it wrong on my first post,

The Sabertooth is 213.42€

I have changed the i7 into an i5-3570k, and the RAM into 1866GHz (2x4GO) blue vengeance. This already saves me around 140€


That's not too bad. 300 seemed a bit crazy! You still could save a little more with another brand, but that is a good board. If you've read enough reviews to know that's the board for you, then do it.

I think the rest seems pretty solid. Any of those GTX670s should work great.
January 16, 2013 6:17:03 PM

When it comes to graphic cards, I really don't know anything.
What would you recommend? I think that I will OC my computer if possible.

I intend to use the computer for a very long time, henceforth need something that will last long.

The reason why I don't like AMD is simply because of brand loyalty, and because of bad reviews, and bad things I have heard about it. To my knowledge it has far too many problems for the price you pay.
January 16, 2013 6:52:51 PM

Azurek said:
When it comes to graphic cards, I really don't know anything.
What would you recommend? I think that I will OC my computer if possible.

I intend to use the computer for a very long time, henceforth need something that will last long.

The reason why I don't like AMD is simply because of brand loyalty, and because of bad reviews, and bad things I have heard about it. To my knowledge it has far too many problems for the price you pay.


This was true years ago, but not true anymore. Its true that their processors can not keep up with Intel, but this generation the HD7xxx are mostly just a better buy than Nvidia GTX6xx.

AMD cards tend to come with more RAM and a larger memory bus nowadays, this means that longetivity of use is on the AMD side.
They also ahve A LOT more OCing potential thanks to Nvidia that added a turbo to their cards that actually limits an OC.

1. http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews [...] nce/1.html

2. http://www.legitreviews.com/article/2059/4/

3. http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/for [...] mance.html

4. http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pag [...] nce,1.html

There are a few reviews at stock.

Now if you OC the HD7970 or get an HD7970 GHz Edition they are BETTER by FAR than a GTX680 and MUCH cheaper.
(they are technically the same card in every respect except for the clock rate, AMD did this for marketing reasons and it worked out great for them.)

Tom's recommendation article will be helpful too. Keep in mind the prices differ from what they have in the article, so keep the prices you have gathered in mind.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...

January 16, 2013 7:20:35 PM

I will keep that in mind, is the HD7970 you are talking about this one?

Sapphire Vapor X HD 7970 GHz Edition 3 Go at 384.40€
There is also a 6Go version, but that costs 526.04€.

Will that AMD work fine with my current set-up? I still am a bit worried about the AMD but I will read the articles you have posted and more to make sure.

Thanks a bunch!
January 16, 2013 7:32:06 PM

Azurek said:
I will keep that in mind, is the HD7970 you are talking about this one?

Sapphire Vapor X HD 7970 GHz Edition 3 Go at 384.40€
There is also a 6Go version, but that costs 526.04€.

Will that AMD work fine with my current set-up? I still am a bit worried about the AMD but I will read the articles you have posted and more to make sure.

Thanks a bunch!


Yes that is it, you have also chosen the best AMD manufacturer sapphire. LOL Nice

The Vapor-X cooler that that card comes with is VERY good too. Very quiet with excellent cooling performance.

Do not bother with the 6GB version. Not worth the extra money. If you use 6 screens then its worth it.

EDIT : Thats the GHz Edition, you can save some money by getting the normal one and OCing it yourself. But that depends on the price dif.
January 16, 2013 7:35:12 PM

This card seems to be very very good, and I think I might just get it!

One review said this: "Seulement une chose, attention si vous faites un crossFire avec cette carte, car il est indiqué que c'est une Double slot, en fait elle en prend presque 3!
Le système de refroidissement est aussi un peut plus large que la carte.
Sur une carte Mère comme la mienne Crosshair Formula V le pont crossfire ce branche en forcent légèrement. "
Translation:
Only one thing, be careful if you do a Crossfire with this card, it's indicated that it uses two slots, but she takes almost 3! THe cooling system is a bit larger than the card. On a motherboard like mine Crosshair Formula V the Crossfire bridge connects by forcing a little.

Unfortunately I'm not a wizz, I'm guessing that Crossfire is used for double cards? Or am I completely off?
January 16, 2013 7:39:31 PM

I mostly agree with you, but the GTX670 is a fantastic card. If someone prefers Nvidia, it's like not they aren't going to get outstanding performance.
January 16, 2013 7:40:05 PM

Azurek said:
This card seems to be very very good, and I think I might just get it!

One review said this: "Seulement une chose, attention si vous faites un crossFire avec cette carte, car il est indiqué que c'est une Double slot, en fait elle en prend presque 3!
Le système de refroidissement est aussi un peut plus large que la carte.
Sur une carte Mère comme la mienne Crosshair Formula V le pont crossfire ce branche en forcent légèrement. "
Translation:
Only one thing, be careful if you do a Crossfire with this card, it's indicated that it uses two slots, but she takes almost 3! THe cooling system is a bit larger than the card. On a motherboard like mine Crosshair Formula V the Crossfire bridge connects by forcing a little.

Unfortunately I'm not a wizz, I'm guessing that Crossfire is used for double cards? Or am I completely off?


You are correct. Crossfire is for dual AMD cards. If you are concerned about this get a board with at least 2 slots in between the 2 PCI-e ports.

January 16, 2013 7:41:26 PM

twelve25 said:
I mostly agree with you, but the GTX670 is a fantastic card. If someone prefers Nvidia, it's like not they aren't going to get outstanding performance.


Agreed. But I see it that Nvidia should adjust their prices again. Then they become viable again.
January 16, 2013 7:51:20 PM

The GTX670 is 40euros cheaper than the HD7970 Ghz Edition 3Go, that price difference is no problem to me, especially if you say that the HD7970 is waaay better.

I do not intend to use double graphics card, I personally don't see the use of it. I am using a single screen (1680x1050), but will most likely buy a second one that is 1080. (BenQ or Samsung, with more of a lean towards Samsung)

Thank you for you advices, right now my computer looks like this:

Motherboard: ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K (3.4 GHz)
RAM: Corsair Vengeance Series 8 Go (2x 4 Go) DDR3 1866 MHz CL9 Bleu
Graphics Card
1) Gainward GeForce GTX 670 2 GB
2) Sapphire Vapor X HD 7970 GHz Edition 3 Go
Hard Disk: Western Digital Caviar Black 1 To SATA 6Gb/s
Power Supply: Corsair HX650 80PLUS Gold
Case: Corsair Carbide 300R
Webcam: Logitech HD Pro Webcam C920
Total: 1,235.91 €
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I am not sure about the Power supply, I'm sure I can get better for cheaper?
I hope that all the parts can fit into the Case I intend to buy.
I already have an SSD: Samsung SSD 840 120 Go (I think, I'm not in Belgium right now :p )
January 16, 2013 7:58:48 PM

Azurek said:
The GTX670 is 40euros cheaper than the HD7970 Ghz Edition 3Go, that price difference is no problem to me, especially if you say that the HD7970 is waaay better.

I do not intend to use double graphics card, I personally don't see the use of it. I am using a single screen (1680x1050), but will most likely buy a second one that is 1080. (BenQ or Samsung, with more of a lean towards Samsung)

Thank you for you advices, right now my computer looks like this:

Motherboard: ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K (3.4 GHz)
RAM: Corsair Vengeance Series 8 Go (2x 4 Go) DDR3 1866 MHz CL9 Bleu
Graphics Card
1) Gainward GeForce GTX 670 2 GB
2) Sapphire Vapor X HD 7970 GHz Edition 3 Go
Hard Disk: Western Digital Caviar Black 1 To SATA 6Gb/s
Power Supply: Corsair HX650 80PLUS Gold
Case: Corsair Carbide 300R
Webcam: Logitech HD Pro Webcam C920
Total: 1,235.91 €
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I am not sure about the Power supply, I'm sure I can get better for cheaper?
I hope that all the parts can fit into the Case I intend to buy.
I already have an SSD: Samsung SSD 840 120 Go (I think, I'm not in Belgium right now :p )


Awesome. Just make sure about that Z77 Sabertooth, read some reviews and see if its the board for you. Its not bad, its just overpriced I think. Let me find you some reviews from reliable sites.

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4878/asus_sabertooth_z...

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_sabertooth_z7...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/z77x-up5-th-z77a-gd...

It seems most sites loved the board. So I don't know. LOL.

You have a very expensive Power supply too. Its great but you could save some there. But I would not. LOL good PSU is very important.

EDIT :

You could get a Corsair TX650M V2 or TX650 V2. Those are very good but only bronze 80plus rated instead of gold. But the difference is not as big as it sounds. LOL they are equally stable.

If you really wanna save and still get a good PSU, try Seasonic PSUs. They are amazingly priced for EXCELLENT product. But not easy to find anywhere.
January 16, 2013 8:15:21 PM

Throwing another vote against the Sabertooth. (Just curious, where did you hear it's so amazing from? I've been seeing that a lot lately...)

The Sabertooth isn't a high-end board; what it is is a mid-end board with a high-end price tag, and "thermal armor." It's been tested a lot, and of course, the thermal armor just works like insulation, and makes the motherboard run hotter.

You're far, FAR better off getting a cheaper motherboard / a equally expensive motherboard that's actually a good one.

As for the power supply, I second the vote for Seasonic... they're the company that makes Corsair's good power supplies, so you're buying the best, minus the branding.

EDIT: As for overclocking, do you have a CPU cooler? (Please don't tell me it's a closed-circuit liquid cooler...)
January 16, 2013 8:16:56 PM

Azurek said:
Can I OC everything easily with the given parts?

I found this one : Corsair Gaming Series GS700 2013 Edition 80PLUS Bronze for 91€ would that be good if not better?


Yes you can OC perfectly with those part. I would not suggest the GS series.
Corsair went a little stupid there. LOL they are not very stable and have inadequite amps on the 12v rails.

TX (V2 and V3) or HX or AX or builder series are all good though.

EDIT : DarkSable has a point. You need a good CPU cooler. Although the closed loop coolers are not great for the price. They serve their role well.

If you are willing to spend some money, the Thermalright Silver Arrow SB-E Extreme is in my opinion the best air cooler available. You cold hit 4.8GHz easily with it.

If you are not willing to spend so much on a cooler you could hit 4.3GHz with a Coolermaster Hyper 212 EVO easily.
January 16, 2013 8:21:56 PM

I forgot to put the CD, sound card, network card (i think that's all im missing).

If im not wrong both the sound and network cards are implemented in the Sabertooth.

When it comes to reading, I think i will simply use my current one, I don't read Blue-ray or anything of such, simply use it to install games. And anyways most games are installed via the net nowadays.

Please let me know if I've forgotten anything, even if its minor, or even if you think i know it (because I probably don't :p )
January 16, 2013 8:28:18 PM

I have this CPU cooler: Zalman CNPS9900A LED I bought it to OC my 7years old computer LOL!

For the Power supply they only have two Seasonic
Seasonic M12II-620 80PLUS Bronze or Seasonic S12II-620 82+ 80PLUS Bronze
Could you check on ldlc.be (under a informatique / alimentation) and let me know what you think.

What would you recommend for the motherboard? I need something that will last, and henceforth do not care how much I pay for it. (not more than 300 :p )
January 16, 2013 8:39:16 PM

The network chips on all modern mobos works fine without an add-in card. For many people, sound is the same way. I'd recommend trying onboard first, and if you don't like it put in a X-Fi or Asus Xonar (no need to spend a lot on those either).

Can't say enough how much I like my Extreme4. Have had Asus, Gigabyte, and MSI over the years as well. All were middle of the road (roughly $150) and never had a failure.
January 16, 2013 8:43:28 PM

There are like 500 Extreme 4 and Extreme 6, I'm having a really hard time reading all the descriptions and going back and forth on sites trying to figure what means what :/ .

Could you be more precise with the motherboard? or simply link one to me from ldlc.be (Informatique / Carte mere) or simply writing Extreme4 or Extreme6 on the search button
January 16, 2013 9:44:43 PM

Azurek said:
I have this CPU cooler: Zalman CNPS9900A LED I bought it to OC my 7years old computer LOL!


Still a great heatsink, but you might need to get a 1155 compatible clip for it from Zalman. I might see about replacing the fan, too, but that's an excellent cooler.

January 16, 2013 10:02:04 PM

twelve25 said:
Still a great heatsink, but you might need to get a 1155 compatible clip for it from Zalman. I might see about replacing the fan, too, but that's an excellent cooler.


Yeah i agree. If you drop a nice static pressure Corsair SP120 in that cooler it would perform great. The stock fan specs suck. LOL.
January 16, 2013 10:33:37 PM

The Zalman is 1155 compatible, it makes a huge difference. I tried to OC my current pc with stock CPU cooler and it shot up to 100+ degrees, installed Zalman and it stays at maximum 45-50 degrees with WOW, League and Warz open at the same time.

The Corsais SP120 are for the box? Corsair Air Series SP120 High Performance Edition - Twin Pack 22.31€
January 16, 2013 10:40:24 PM

Azurek said:
The Zalman is 1155 compatible, it makes a huge difference. I tried to OC my current pc with stock CPU cooler and it shot up to 100+ degrees, installed Zalman and it stays at maximum 45-50 degrees with WOW, League and Warz open at the same time.

The Corsais SP120 are for the box? Corsair Air Series SP120 High Performance Edition - Twin Pack 22.31€


No. SP stands for static pressure. Static pressure fans are meant for radiators and heatsinks as they can build more pressure so as to force the air through more dense objects. For a case the AP120 fans are better.

If the Zalman is a 120 mm fan(as far as I can see it is) Then you can put a SP120 fan in and it should improve performance a lot.

Just a random suggestion. This is just ideas I am throwing around. Not necessary at all.
January 16, 2013 10:42:23 PM

The corsair fans are for the heatsink - they're designed to have high static pressure... i.e. they excel when mounted on heatsinks and radiators.
January 17, 2013 2:37:20 AM

It doesn't look like a standard fan mount, though. I know my Zalman (not the same model) is a frameless fan and would be a challenge to replace. I'd email Zalman for options.

January 17, 2013 2:52:47 PM

I've read some reviews between Sabertooth and the Extreme6, they all seem to point out towards Sabertooth...

Would you have any other suggestions? Maximum 300euros for the motherboard (For gaming & streaming)

Thank you all for the comments so far!
January 17, 2013 3:27:50 PM

I'd stick with the Extreme4 unless you need all the extra connectors on the 6 (the average gamer will not).
January 17, 2013 3:46:49 PM

I was told by a friend not to look at Asrock, and stick with Asus.

I made some research and looked at forums, apparently this one is very good:
ASUS Maximus IV Extreme at 222.47€, but I would need to update the BIOS (hoping that this doesn't create any problems)
February 9, 2013 3:18:33 PM

Would the MSI z77A-G45 113euros (http://www.ldlc.be/fiche/PB00128834.html) be a good choice for a high end Gamer PC? (Compared to my original sabertooth z77

Also, should I add a Corsair H100 if I am to OC the entire rig?

Thank you in advance!
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