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January 16, 2013 7:03:59 AM

I have around £500 to spend. Give or take.

My current build is.

Athlon X4 640 - 3ghz
500GB hardrive
standard cooler
Motherboard that supports AM3
GTX 460 SE 1Gig
550W Psu
Case Antec 300
12 Gigs ram 133mhz ( already bought this a while back)


Im looking to build a new system, I do a fair bit of video editing with permier / after effetcs, gaming and record / stream games.


I have a couple of options. I can stick with AMD, saving £100 + on the motherboard and then dump that into a better GPU or SSD or cooler or some parts, you get the idea.

The two builds I have are this.


AMD Build

AMD FX 8350 - Everyone says intel are better but as many people agree as disagree and after watching this video Im skeptical if its worth it - Please tell me honestly, no fan boys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu8Sekdb-IE
A Hyper Evo 212 cooler

Same motherboard

Same Parts and case

Better GPU eg 7950 or GTX 670
and SSD / or bigger HD with saved cash



Intel Build

I5 3570K
Hyper Evo cooler ( looking to overclock to 4.3/ 4.5 also applys to AMD )
Motherboard - Asus P8Z77-V LX Motherboard
Again same PSU / Case
GTX 670 ( Possibly but unlikely due to budget)
More likely a GTX 660 / HD 7870 / 7950




Help me guys and gals, Im buying today.
January 16, 2013 7:15:56 AM

Why the need to buy today?

That guy is hardly the be all and end all of tech.

if your board will take a 8350 then it's going to be cheaper to upgrade. The i5 3570k will get you better frames but will be slower in video editing so for dual usage they are fairly equal.

The hyper 212 evo is a good cooler. Maybe by just buying a chip you will be able to get that 670.

Your CPU isn't that bad. Put a healthy OC on it and it's still fairly capable.
January 16, 2013 7:33:54 AM

darth pravus said:
Why the need to buy today?

That guy is hardly the be all and end all of tech.





No need to be like that. I use my PC for my Youtube partneship so I need it up and running ASAP thats why and yes the I5 isnt the be all and end all but amazingly I dont have 3k to drop on the latest processors. Im just buying what I need.
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January 16, 2013 7:43:03 AM

It was a simple question and I was also questioning your source of "TEh random guy on the interwebz"

As I said i5 better for game frames and the fx better for rendering so the FX is what you need as its a good compromise and allows you to have a better GPU.

Please don't be so defensive when I'm trying to help. Never said you had to spend 3k
a b V Motherboard
January 16, 2013 8:47:02 AM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 230$

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Difference is only 30$

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/the-vishera-review-a...

Performance difference is another story. Remember that FX 8350 uses the old 32 nm while the i5-3570k uses 22nm, which gives the i5-3570k an advandtage when it comes to power consumption, which in the end will pay off when you have to pay the electricity bill. ;) 

GTX 670 is the strongest GPU you posted. With similar performance to the Radeon 7970. And no, Radeon 7970 isn't faster than GTX 680, it might be a little faster than the GTX 670 overall, but I'm a little unsure on the front, but the Radeon 7970 GHz edition is definitely faster than both, no discussion there.

Again the GTX 670 will have a lower power consumption which will mean if you choose the GTX 670 and the i5-3570k instead of the Radeon 7950/7970 and the FX 8350, then you can probably also save a bit on PSU, because you won't be needing as much power.



January 16, 2013 9:58:47 AM

lostgamer_03 said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 230$

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Difference is only 30$

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/the-vishera-review-a...

Performance difference is another story. Remember that FX 8350 uses the old 32 nm while the i5-3570k uses 22nm, which gives the i5-3570k an advandtage when it comes to power consumption, which in the end will pay off when you have to pay the electricity bill. ;) 

GTX 670 is the strongest GPU you posted. With similar performance to the Radeon 7970. And no, Radeon 7970 isn't faster than GTX 680, it might be a little faster than the GTX 670 overall, but I'm a little unsure on the front, but the Radeon 7970 GHz edition is definitely faster than both, no discussion there.

Again the GTX 670 will have a lower power consumption which will mean if you choose the GTX 670 and the i5-3570k instead of the Radeon 7950/7970 and the FX 8350, then you can probably also save a bit on PSU, because you won't be needing as much power.




So you would advice the intel build with no new parts like an SSD or bigger hardrive?
As buying amd would save me the £100+ on the no need for a motherboard
a b V Motherboard
January 16, 2013 10:11:40 AM

Videofletcher said:
So you would advice the intel build with no new parts like an SSD or bigger hardrive?
As buying amd would save me the £100+ on the no need for a motherboard


Sorry, I didn't see you had a MOBO for AMD CPUs already.

It could turn the table.

SSDs are expensive and will only help on load times, which would be quite significant in your situation due to the movies you have to save or upload. So the FX 8350 might be the way to go.

Though it might quite limit GPU your upgrading chances in the future. I can't conclude on that just yet, because I don't know how powerful the GPUs will become in the next few years. AMD didn't update their socket this year, which means that the MOBOs that fit with the A3+ CPUs doesn't have any PCI-E 3.0 slots, only PCI-E 2.0. Right now it doesn't really have any major impact on gaming or any kind of impact of graphical tasks, but it just might in the future. PCI-E 3.0 offer 2x times the memory bandwidth than the PCI-E 2.0 does.

If you want value right now, the FX 8350 would be the way to go. 100$ is a lot and that SSD will likely help you a lot, I have begun making some youtube videos aswell and after editing a video the time it takes for it to get saved can be a pain in the butt.

If you want the best performance in games then there is no discussion. I5-3570k will do better, but the money you save on choosing AMD could just help you get a decent cooler and give the FX 8350 a little overclock.

January 16, 2013 10:48:39 AM

I dont think I will need to upgrade a gtx 670 anytime soon. Plus if new tech comes out that is so much better than I can always buy the new chips as either way if I buy intel / amd I would need to buy a new CPU / motherboards. But I dont plan to upgrade for ages now.
a b V Motherboard
January 16, 2013 10:50:28 AM

Videofletcher said:
I dont think I will need to upgrade a gtx 670 anytime soon. Plus if new tech comes out that is so much better than I can always buy the new chips as either way if I buy intel / amd I would need to buy a new CPU / motherboards. But I dont plan to upgrade for ages now.


Then it is settled - FX 8350 it is! :bounce: 
a b V Motherboard
January 16, 2013 10:53:29 AM

Sorry just before I go all in here I need the OP to tell me exactly what parts he wants in that $500 budget because frankly a HD79XX and FX 83XX and SSD in $500 is not going to happen, let alone a Intel build.
a b V Motherboard
a b À AMD
January 16, 2013 10:54:13 AM

I would also say go for the AMD FX-8350
January 16, 2013 10:55:11 AM

All things considered I'd vote AMD.
a b V Motherboard
January 16, 2013 11:07:01 AM

If time is of the essence and I assume you need core essentials of a build for $500-600;

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xT6y
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xT6y/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xT6y/benchmarks/

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($189.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Asus M5A99X EVO ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($137.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Smart Tracer 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($52.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $380.96
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-16 08:06 EST-0500)

With the difference you can squeeze in a higher end GPU like a 7870 GE or a HD 7850 + SSD
a b V Motherboard
a b À AMD
January 16, 2013 11:09:43 AM

Like was said if your mobo can support FX-8350 it will cut costs, you tell us, but either way going AMD will be cheaper than going with a Intel build
a b V Motherboard
January 16, 2013 11:13:23 AM

If I was going to save up on that;

FX 6300 $130
Gigabyte 970XA UD3 $90
G.Skill Snipers DDR3 1600 $40
HD7850 $170

$400 or so
January 16, 2013 11:32:04 AM

I have £550


I already have the PSU, the case, the RAM, the drives, The Optical drives etc


I basically have £500 spend on a cpu (if amd then no mobo)
and parts / gpu

or new motherboard, intel cpu and gpu
January 16, 2013 11:46:53 AM

You say your motherboard supports AM3. Is that AM3 or AM3+ ?

If it's only AM3 you will not be able to use the FX Series CPUs
January 16, 2013 11:55:28 AM

joeh_87 said:
You say your motherboard supports AM3. Is that AM3 or AM3+ ?

If it's only AM3 you will not be able to use the FX Series CPUs



Very good man! I just checked my box and I have the M4N68T

it just says AM3


well Intel it is!
a b V Motherboard
January 16, 2013 11:57:39 AM

Hahaha typical, then there is no discussion! :D 
January 16, 2013 12:01:05 PM

lostgamer_03 said:
Hahaha typical, then there is no discussion! :D 



Yeh not worth me buying a new motherboard then a new cpu. Ill go with the intel build, thanks for all the help.


Will a 550w PSU be enough for a 670 and i5 3750k?


Again thanks for all the comments
a b V Motherboard
January 16, 2013 12:08:59 PM

Depends on the 550w unit, theoretically yes unless it is a no name special then probably not.
a b V Motherboard
January 16, 2013 12:12:07 PM

You want a $400 GPU with a $220 CPU for $500? Not to mention about $200 on other components thats like well over $500. Forgive me but I don't understand.
January 16, 2013 12:17:41 PM

sarinaide said:
You want a $400 GPU with a $220 CPU for $500? Not to mention about $200 on other components thats like well over $500. Forgive me but I don't understand.




You must not be reading any of the text.


The GPU costs £260
The cpu cost £160
Motherboard £80

I have everything else
a b V Motherboard
January 16, 2013 12:27:09 PM

Nowhere did it say you were getting a GTX 670 for $260 dollars and 3570K for $160 dollars, this is where I am surprised, if so please tell me thats like super saving day. GTX 670 starting is around $400 as high as 470 on model, the i5 3570K bar the odd special is $225, the motherboard I accept but the other two are startling and need to know where.
January 16, 2013 12:30:13 PM

sarinaide said:
Nowhere did it say you were getting a GTX 670 for $260 dollars and 3570K for $160 dollars, this is where I am surprised, if so please tell me thats like super saving day. GTX 670 starting is around $400 as high as 470 on model, the i5 3570K bar the odd special is $225, the motherboard I accept but the other two are startling and need to know where.



POUNDS AND DOLLARS.


The signs are key.
a b V Motherboard
January 16, 2013 12:39:45 PM

sarinaide said:
Nowhere did it say you were getting a GTX 670 for $260 dollars and 3570K for $160 dollars, this is where I am surprised, if so please tell me thats like super saving day. GTX 670 starting is around $400 as high as 470 on model, the i5 3570K bar the odd special is $225, the motherboard I accept but the other two are startling and need to know where.


Pounds and dollars aren't the same.

In my country we use crownes.

1 dollar is about 6 crownes.

1 pound is about 9 crownes.

So the difference is about 50%.

a b V Motherboard
January 16, 2013 12:48:48 PM

Videofletcher said:
POUNDS AND DOLLARS.


The signs are key.


Appologies don't have my glasses and appeared like Dollars, anyways thats sorted. Just out of interest sake, what does a HD7970 GE cost in the UK? if only marginally more than a GTX670 it will be more feasible.
a b V Motherboard
January 16, 2013 12:49:53 PM

Videofletcher said:
Yeh not worth me buying a new motherboard then a new cpu. Ill go with the intel build, thanks for all the help.


Will a 550w PSU be enough for a 670 and i5 3750k?


Again thanks for all the comments


I ordered a XFX pro series core edition 650w with my GTX 670, you could also choose the 550w version, but it's always best to have some "headroom", so you're sure you have plenty of power. It should power every last bit of your build and you could add several HDDs or SSDs later on without a worry. XFX provide 5 years of warranty.

Here is a little review of it:

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/xfx_core_editio...

- "The XFX Pro Series Core Edition power supplies performed very well across the range"

- "The XFX Pro series power supplies are, as you’d expect, physically alike across the range and with good build quality and their unique styling will probably appeal to many enthusiasts. If you are in the market for a high quality wired power supply, at a fair price, then I highly recommend any of the XFX Pro Series Core Edition units."

Other brands to choose from:

http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/323050.aspx

This list will provide you with information of what PSU brands that are good.

I'd recommend either you pick from tier 1 or 2, so you're sure to get a great PSU.



a b V Motherboard
January 16, 2013 1:04:15 PM

XFX core edtion Pro are nice units the 550w should be plenty, the 650w will give you headroom, easily recommendable. Have one fully sleaved in yellow to go with a ASRock Z77 OC build I did for someone.
January 16, 2013 4:15:28 PM

Videofletcher said:
Yeh not worth me buying a new motherboard then a new cpu. Ill go with the intel build, thanks for all the help.


Will a 550w PSU be enough for a 670 and i5 3750k?


Again thanks for all the comments



as said above it all depends on the make.

550W is plenty for such system as long as its got somewhat decent Ampage on the 12v rail :) 

Good choice on the Intel Build, If i was in your position i wouldn't switch out a AMD board for another AMD board when the I5 has so much to offer in gaming over most FX series.

Btw unless you have a Windows 7 retail, you will have to buy another copy of windows 7. Win 7 OEM cannot be transferred to another motherboard.
a b V Motherboard
a b À AMD
January 16, 2013 5:02:07 PM

This topic has been moved from the section CPU & Components to section Systems by Mousemonkey
January 16, 2013 6:10:26 PM

Aren't you doing video editing?

FX would be much better than i5 for that
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