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a b U Graphics card
December 3, 2012 7:49:36 PM


APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: Before Christmas or Q2 2013
BUDGET RANGE: No set budget, but preferably ~< $300

USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming (A variety of games that vary in GPU intensiveness), General multitasking

CURRENT GPU AND POWER SUPPLY: MSI Gt 430 (2GB), Corsair TX750 V2

OTHER RELEVANT SYSTEM SPECS: i5 2500K @ Stock Speeds, Asus P8Z68-V LX, Corsair Vengeance 2 X 4GB @1333MHz (Can be set at 1600MHz)

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: TigerDirect or NCIX, but I'm open to other retailers if the price is right
COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: Canada

PARTS PREFERENCES: None

OVERCLOCKING: Slightly but not at the cost of extreme heat or noise.

CROSSFIRE: Not for now

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1920x1080

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS:
1. Warranty: 3 Years is a must, 5 years to lifetime is preferred.
2. I want a card that is quiet and stays cool. My case gets pretty hot and my PC is already slightly noisy so if I could keep additional noise to a minimum that would be great.
3. This card has to last about 3-4 years, I;m not expecting it to max out games in four years, but I'm hoping for playable settings.
4. I'm willing to pay a bit more for a company with good toll-free tech support. At the very least, the company must have a phone number to contact them with.


Here are my main considerations:

Value Cards (7870 and 660)
These are very tempting due to thier fantastic price: performance ratio. My only concern is I don't know if they will still be powerful enough in 3-4 years.
The 660 can be used as a PHYSX card if I ever upgrade my GPU, while I have the option to crossfire down the road with the 7870.

Mid-Range Cards (7950 and 660 ti)
For a bit more ($30-40), I become drawn to these cards. They also look very good in my eyes because they will last a bit longer than the cards above. I don't know if they are worth the additional money, however.
The 660 ti performs similarly to the 670 in certain games, but the limited memory bus does pose a concern down the road. The 7950 is a solid contender and also comes bundled with 3 games, which is a good bonus.

High-end Cards (7970 and 670)
These offer excellent performance and will easily last for years to come. My only concern is the price: these are significantly more expensive than the other cards and at 1080P, I don't know if I will notice these differences. For that reason alone, I would prefer to avoid these cards unless they are being sold at an exceptional price.

Future Cards (700 and 8000 series)
Originally, I was going to wait for the 8000 series to be released. Now that reports are telling me that they will not be here until Q2 2013, I would prefer not to wait this long unless these cards will be worth it. Should I wait it out?


Some cards that I am interested in:
HIS IceQ 7870 GHz Edition Good price, but it doesn't have a 3 year warranty

XFX 7870 Double D GHZ Edition Black Edition Amazing card but a little bit pricey.

http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=77329&vpn=02G-P4-2660...
A good 660 at a great price

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
Another EVGA card

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
Asus 660, another viable option

Mid-Range
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
This is exactly what I had in mind, but it's high price tag makes it a hard purchase.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
A good card overall

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
Priced great but the two year warranty is definitely something that makes me look elsewhere.

Thanks for your help
a b U Graphics card
December 3, 2012 8:49:12 PM

I was going to suggest an EVGA GTX660 and then saw you've already found one! That's my vote. Those mid-range cards honestly aren't going to give you much more future-proofing - when you get to the point where a GTX660 won't play it, a GTX660 Ti won't either, unless obviously it's borderline playable. Really not worth the extra though. And as for manufacturer, I don't think you can beat EVGA for what you're looking for.
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a b U Graphics card
December 3, 2012 11:04:34 PM

Do you think the 660 is better than the 7870?

Also, what is the performance difference between a 660/7870 and a 660ti/7950?
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a b U Graphics card
December 4, 2012 12:12:29 AM

I would go with an XFX HD 7950 for 1080p gaming, you would be set for a long while, and you can overclock it real easy too. Not to mention its new drivers are godlike. Here is a link to my favorite version of the XFX HD 7950 (All xfx cards have lifetime warranty when registered).
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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a b U Graphics card
December 4, 2012 12:41:11 AM

ProSnipor said:
I would go with an XFX HD 7950 for 1080p gaming, you would be set for a long while, and you can overclock it real easy too. Not to mention its new drivers are godlike. Here is a link to my favorite version of the XFX HD 7950 (All xfx cards have lifetime warranty when registered).
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


That was the card I wanted, but I wasn't sure if A. The price difference over the 7870 is worth it and B. If my computer will bottleneck it. Also, are all 7950's boost edition?
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a b U Graphics card
December 4, 2012 12:51:39 AM

For the same card (Double D Black Edition), the 7970 is an extra $65.

It does come with a nice bundle, but those aren't really games I'll be playing.
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a b U Graphics card
December 4, 2012 12:59:27 AM

mastrom101 said:
That was the card I wanted, but I wasn't sure if A. The price difference over the 7870 is worth it and B. If my computer will bottleneck it. Also, are all 7950's boost edition?

Set your ram to 1600 from 1333, and no your pc shouldn't have a severe bottleneck on the graphics card at all. A stock 2500k would be fine with a 7950. However you should really look into overclocking, its a really nice way to get free performance. And yea the price over the 7870 really is worth it, this 7950 should last you a long while, especially if you overclock it a bit. I hope this cleared up your questions :) .
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Oh and by boost do you mean overclocked? Cuz the version of the 7950 that i linked is a black edition card, which means it comes with an extra 100mhz out of the box. There is a non overclocked version for like 5 dollars cheaper on newegg, but i would just stick with that. I think you would have a solid pc for a while if you do.
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a b U Graphics card
December 4, 2012 1:11:28 AM

mastrom101 said:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7950_Boost_BI...

I think they put it on all cards but I could be wrong

I was also thinking to overclock my CPU. Will a Hyper 212 plus/EVO do the trick?

Oh no you are right, I'm sorry. I remember reading about this a while ago. Yea all new cards should come with this new boost bios. As for the cooler, I would go with a Hyper 212 EVO. You could get some decent temps on that, and it wouldn't be too loud. Just make sure it will fit in your case :) . You should be able to get some decent clock speeds on your 2500k with this cooler also.
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a b U Graphics card
December 4, 2012 2:31:02 AM

7950 or a 7970 is the best choice here. I would say get a 7970 and OC beyond 1ghz to match 680 performance levels
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a b U Graphics card
December 4, 2012 2:58:01 AM

Don't go above GTX 660 or Radeon 7870, that is just silly. You won't be needing much more power for 1080p gaming as it is right now.

If you save some Money on a GPU now, then you can spend them later if the new Nvidia 700 series or AMD 8000 series are going to be mental. :) 
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a b U Graphics card
December 4, 2012 3:37:43 AM

Going by the hierarchy chart on the last page of Tom's latest graphics card buyers guide:

hd7850=gtx660
hd7870=gtx660ti
hd7950=gtx670
hd7970=gtx680
hd7970ghz ed.>gtx680

You can overclock a 7950(one with a decent cooler, anyway) to hd7970 performance levels.

With 3GB of ram and tons of bandwidth, a 7950 should let you play at 1080p for a while.

Just make sure you use the catalyst 12.11 beta drivers from amd for best performance.

If the plus is a lot cheaper than evo, get the plus. extra price on evo not worth 1 degree.
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December 4, 2012 4:10:12 AM

mastrom101 said:
Do you think the 660 is better than the 7870?

Also, what is the performance difference between a 660/7870 and a 660ti/7950?



7950 is the competitor of the 670, while 660ti is the competitor for the 7870.
7950, hands down.
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a c 291 U Graphics card
December 4, 2012 4:14:28 AM

Kiowa789 said:
7950 is the competitor of the 670, while 660ti is the competitor for the 7870.
7950, hands down.


That's not really fair to say. Performance goes like this: GTX 670 > HD 7950 > GTX 660 Ti > HD 7870 > GTX 660 > HD 7850, while GTX 660 Ti is much closer to HD 7950 than to HD 7870. Similarly, GTX 660 is closer to HD 7870 than to HD 7850.
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a b U Graphics card
December 4, 2012 4:23:39 AM

Sunius said:
That's not really fair to say. Performance goes like this: GTX 670 > HD 7950 > GTX 660 Ti > HD 7870 > GTX 660 > HD 7850, while GTX 660 Ti is much closer to HD 7950 than to HD 7870. Similarly, GTX 660 is closer to HD 7870 than to HD 7850.


Maybe it used to be that way. Since the catalyst 12.11 beta, it's pretty much like the graphics card hierarchy chart says it is(hardocp has similar findings).

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December 4, 2012 4:24:26 AM

Sunius said:
That's not really fair to say. Performance goes like this: GTX 670 > HD 7950 > GTX 660 Ti > HD 7870 > GTX 660 > HD 7850, while GTX 660 Ti is much closer to HD 7950 than to HD 7870. Similarly, GTX 660 is closer to HD 7870 than to HD 7850.

7870 is competing with 660 Ti Because of its enormous overclocking ability.
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a b U Graphics card
December 4, 2012 4:36:24 AM

Kiowa789 said:
7870 is competing with 660 Ti Because of its enormous overclocking ability.


Not exactly sure what you are saying here. Before the latest amd drivers, 7870 was just a bit slower than gtx660ti(ref. clock to ref. clock). Now they are about on par. If you are saying 7870 overclocks better, I think its the other way around(1ghz to 1.2ghz+ vs 900mhz to 1.2ghz+).

Now a 7850 is about as fast as gtx660(non ti). in that match up, the 7850 has tons of OC potential while the gtx660 generally sucks at overclocking.

7950 vs gtx670, a boost bios on the former plus the new driver even them up. gtx670 OCs well but costs more. boost bios extra voltage limits OC on 7950.

Any discussion of cards above these is beyond the scope of this thread(and above what the OP is willing to pay for a graphics card).
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December 4, 2012 4:48:48 AM

jtenorj said:
Not exactly sure what you are saying here. Before the latest amd drivers, 7870 was just a bit slower than gtx660ti(ref. clock to ref. clock). Now they are about on par. If you are saying 7870 overclocks better, I think its the other way around(1ghz to 1.2ghz+ vs 900mhz to 1.2ghz+).

Now a 7850 is about as fast as gtx660(non ti). in that match up, the 7850 has tons of OC potential while the gtx660 generally sucks at overclocking.

7950 vs gtx670, a boost bios on the former plus the new driver even them up. gtx670 OCs well but costs more. boost bios extra voltage limits OC on 7950.

Any discussion of cards above these is beyond the scope of this thread(and above what the OP is willing to pay for a graphics card).

What I was saying is that the 7870 has superior overclocking ability, even then, like you said, the newest Catalyst drivers brought all of AMD's Cards up a notch.

7950 still beats the 670 due to the price/performance ratio, and again, ATI's Amazing ability to make their cards the best when it comes to overclocking, 7950 can be matched up properly to kill off a 670 easily, even when the 670 is overclocked to the 7950, the 7950 can just jump higher and higher and higher until the 670 can't anymore.
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a c 291 U Graphics card
December 4, 2012 4:50:06 AM

jtenorj said:
Maybe it used to be that way. Since the catalyst 12.11 beta, it's pretty much like the graphics card hierarchy chart says it is(hardocp has similar findings).


Link for that? Because in the reviews I've read, most people seem to be getting wrong impressions: sure, there were improvements, but nothing as dramatic. The hierarchy remains as I posted it.
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a b U Graphics card
December 4, 2012 5:08:58 AM

Kiowa789 said:
What I was saying is that the 7870 has superior overclocking ability, even then, like you said, the newest Catalyst drivers brought all of AMD's Cards up a notch.

7950 still beats the 670 due to the price/performance ratio, and again, ATI's Amazing ability to make their cards the best when it comes to overclocking, 7950 can be matched up properly to kill off a 670 easily, even when the 670 is overclocked to the 7950, the 7950 can just jump higher and higher and higher until the 670 can't anymore.


I think gtx660ti OCs a bit better than hd7870, but costs somewhat more. Otherwise I'd say what you wrote is pretty much true as long as your 7950 doesn't have the boost bios. The old bios OCs better since you can tweak voltage and clocks yourself. Maybe one can find a copy online if required.

The 7950 does offer better price/performance ratio than gtx670 and is able to get more out of overclocking.

Sunius said:
Link for that? Because in the reviews I've read, most people seem to be getting wrong impressions: sure, there were improvements, but nothing as dramatic. The hierarchy remains as I posted it.


http://m.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-...

http://hardocp.com/article/2012/11/12/fall_2012_gpu_dri...

I don't totally understand why hardocp grouped the cards like they did against one another. See page 1 and/or 2 for details(or read it all. won't take long).
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December 4, 2012 5:15:43 AM

Yeah, I'd definitely go with the 7950. It offers by far the best bang for your buck at the moment. When overclocked it can surpass the 670 and I don't see why you shouldn't spend 50$ more than the 7870 for a card that should probably cost around 50$ more.

That being said, as you plan to do only 1080p gaming, you could simply go with a GTX 660 non-TI (never go with the 660 TI) and be set for a good amount of time. This is only if you'd like to save a bit of money, the 7950 is still probably better value-wise.

The 7970 would also be a step up, if you're willing to pay the money over the 7950, but I'd recommend you stick to the 7950 for the better value for money. Make sure you overclock with the 7950 though, that's it's main selling point.

I also advise you to not consider the 660TI, the 660 is a great card for the 200$ish it costs, and the 670 is also great for 1080p gaming if you'd prefer not to overclock, but the 660TI is the worst value for money you can get right now imo. Though it shouldn't be much of a problem at 1080p right now, the low memory bandwidth will bottleneck it in the next year or so, so the performance will be pretty much equivalent to the significantly cheaper GTX 660. With settings up high, I gurantee you you'd see some stuttering in Crysis 3. The 190bit bandwidth pretty much renders the card useless.

So yeah, 7970 if you can afford it (670 if you don't like to overclock, 7970 is better otherwise), 7950 if you want the best bang for your buck, and 660 if you want to save some money.

Oh yeah, and the Hyper 212 is a great cooler.
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a c 291 U Graphics card
December 4, 2012 5:18:59 AM

Those benchmarks are strange at best. Firstly, they benchmarked only 3 games.

Secondly, you cannot really compare the cards to each other: it's impossible to say how far apart were HD 7950 and GTX 660 Ti because they were tested on different settings.

I wouldn't depend my life on that benchmark results.
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a b U Graphics card
December 4, 2012 5:33:43 AM

I think I'd suggest a 7850 2GB over a gtx660(non ti) 2GB since they perform about the same at reference clocks, the 7850 is cheaper, and 7850 is currently one of the best overclockers while gtx660(non ti) is one of the worst(for most available cards. There may be a few exceptions).

Sunius said:
Those benchmarks are strange at best. Firstly, they benchmarked only 3 games.

Secondly, you cannot really compare the cards to each other: it's impossible to say how far apart were HD 7950 and GTX 660 Ti because they were tested on different settings.

I wouldn't depend my life on that benchmark results.


Actually, they tested 4 different game titles(and of those bf3 twice: in single player where most sites do and online where most sites don't).

The generally test like most gamers play and use their cards. The fiddle with settings til they get the best combo if image quality and performance.

That means the highest settings a card could run that feel subjectively playable.

If you want a more direct comparison, look at the bottom of the game pages for apples to apples results(versus their usual apples to oranges).

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a b U Graphics card
December 4, 2012 8:35:54 AM

+1 to Sunius on the performance hierarchy and +1 to lostgamer_03's post. Although I'd recommend buying more than the minimum required for today's games (since you want to play next year's games too and the year after etc before upgrading!), I really don't think a GTX660 Ti (comparable to 7870 now) or 7950 would give you a lot more future-proofing.

The best 'bang for your buck' options are the 7850, GTX660 and 7870. You wouldn't be able to tell the performance difference, so I'd just take the cheapest, except the GTX660 will also give you FXAA, adaptive v-sync and PhysX - plus a small performance advantage over the 7850 for very little price difference, so that's what I'd do. For additional future-proofing, the next models up as I say won't give you significantly more future-proofing. For that, I'd skip straight up to the GTX670.

EDIT: If you don't care about the added benefits of nVidia hardware and go with a 7850, be sure to take a 2GB model! You won't be looking at a huge price difference, but you'll be buying some future-proofing. There are games out today that need more than 1GB at high settings, so a 1GB card now isn't a smart choice for the future.
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a b U Graphics card
December 4, 2012 5:43:57 PM

The OP wants to spend less than or equal to $300 Canadian on a card that will let them play games at 1080p for 3-4 years. (no gtx670+ and hd7970+)

The best card <300 is hd7950(as fast as the more expensive gtx670, one of the best overclocking cards out there when using the original bios).

Heck, you can exceed hd7970 a ways and approach 7970 ghz ed. speeds, blowing by gtx680(as long as the card has a decent cooler, for one thing).

If you don't at least try to overclock these 28nm cards, you are doing yourself a disservice. in the similarly performing matchup of 7850 vs gtx660(non ti), 7850 is cheaper and overclocks very well while gtx660(non ti) costs more and most models hardly overclock at all. in 7870 vs gtx660ti, the 7870 is cheaper.

The only things nvidia has over amd are:1.lower power consumption(not huge though), 2. cuda(useless for games) and 3. physx( almost irrelevant).

The op already has a gt430 gpu and a decent mobo with an extra pcie graphics slot(less bandwidth but ok for that card), a couple x1 slots and some pci.
No matter what flavor that gt430 came in, the OP could do a hybrid physx setup with a radeon as primary and a geforce as a dedicated physx processor.

Physx isn't worth the loss in price/performance in other games, imho. It has already been stated several times that we are already seeing limits to a 1GB frame buffer, making a 2GB card more future proof. If you want a card to last 3-4 years, one with a 3GB frame buffer(like hd7950) might be even better.
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a b U Graphics card
December 4, 2012 5:57:59 PM

7950 boost edition is the way to go !!! great value for money and you will be future proofed for a long time at 1080p
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a b U Graphics card
December 4, 2012 6:13:50 PM

mohit9206 said:
7950 boost edition is the way to go !!! great value for money and you will be future proofed for a long time at 1080p


Only if you don't plan on doing much overclocking. If you can find an older card without the boost bios, get it. Your overclocking efforts will be more fruitful when you tweak both the clock speeds and voltages yourself. The boost bios sets a voltage that doesn't need to be so high, limiting overclocking potential.

I believe 7900 series cards in particular have a switch on them that lets you easily go back and forth between the shipping bios and a user installed bios.

If the card you get has the boost bios, try to find an older bios online. If your card has an older bios, you can try out the boost one. See which you like.

I'd also like to point out that some sites encountered throttling with boosted 7950s because the power tune level in catalyst remained unchanged.

You need to manually adjust the power tune limit to the max allowed so your card will be less likely to throttle when you try to overclock.
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a b U Graphics card
December 4, 2012 7:18:57 PM

I think that the verdict is the 7950 is worth the extra money ($65) over the 7870. Unless there is an amazing deal on the 660 or 660ti, I will go the AMD route. Seeing as for $65 I get 3 games included, it makes sense to buy the 7950.

Is PHYSX a must-have feature? Will I notice the difference on games like Metro 2033? Is Adaptive V-sync as good as it sounds? If not, I would have to pick the 7870 over the 660.
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a c 291 U Graphics card
December 4, 2012 7:20:46 PM

Metro, Batman and Borderlands: definitely. There aren't much more physx games than that.
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a b U Graphics card
December 4, 2012 8:11:28 PM

Sunius said:
Metro, Batman and Borderlands: definitely. There aren't much more physx games than that.


I do play Metro, but if those are the only notable games, I don't think it's worth it.
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a b U Graphics card
December 4, 2012 8:44:51 PM

There are ways to make a radeon do vsync and triple buffering at the same time, working similarly(or perhaps even better)compared to adaptive vsync.

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a c 291 U Graphics card
December 4, 2012 9:06:17 PM

jtenorj said:
There are ways to make a radeon do vsync and triple buffering at the same time, working similarly(or perhaps even better)compared to adaptive vsync.


Now that is utter nonsense. Adaptive VSync isn't triple buffering coupled with VSync. Also, if you have the 3rd party solution in mind - that doesn't count. You see, it takes a lot of effort to set up and you have to do it manually for each game. It's actually still in beta, and it means you cannot guarantee it will work for everybody.
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a b U Graphics card
December 4, 2012 9:23:15 PM

I understand how adaptive vsync works. I also understand it's not perfect. Yes I'm referring to using free third party software and somewhat different techniques to deliver a similar result.

It's even something with the potential to outperform adaptive vsync. both work for most but not for some.

If a cheaper radeon otherwise performs similarly to a more expensive geforce, some effort on the end user's part is worth the cost savings imho.
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a b U Graphics card
December 7, 2012 12:15:42 PM

Would a 670 be a better choice than a 7950 for $40 more? It also comes with borderlands 2 and AC3, games that I like more than the never settle bundle.
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December 7, 2012 12:33:26 PM

mastrom101 said:
Would a 670 be a better choice than a 7950 for $40 more? It also comes with borderlands 2 and AC3, games that I like more than the never settle bundle.


Nope, nopity nope nope nope.
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a c 291 U Graphics card
December 7, 2012 12:39:49 PM

mastrom101 said:
Would a 670 be a better choice than a 7950 for $40 more? It also comes with borderlands 2 and AC3, games that I like more than the never settle bundle.


Yes. Not only it's more powerful, after summing up the game cost the price difference will disappear (since you said you'd want AC3/Borderlands 2 anyway).
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December 7, 2012 5:42:37 PM

Sunius said:
Yes. Not only it's more powerful, after summing up the game cost the price difference will disappear (since you said you'd want AC3/Borderlands 2 anyway).

A 7950 compared with a 670, Roughly 80$ payed back from those games for Nvidia, Around 150-160$ payed back for those games for the 7950. Again, 7950 wins that price/performance ratio, and still, the 7950 trades blows with the 670, so they are about 50/50 against each other, but the 7950 is Indeed cheaper by a wide margin, the 670 is right around 40$ to the next cheapest 670, averaging 50-60$ for prices of any other 670.
7950 is the way to go, indefinitely.
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a c 291 U Graphics card
December 7, 2012 6:04:22 PM

What's the point of games he will not play? And no way HD 7950 goes toe to toe with GTX 670. You probably mixed it up with GTX 660 Ti. GTX 670 is more powerful. The new Nvidia drivers really help.

http://techreport.com/review/23981/radeon-hd-7950-vs-ge...
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December 7, 2012 6:19:31 PM

Sunius said:
What's the point of games he will not play? And no way HD 7950 goes toe to toe with GTX 670. You probably mixed it up with GTX 660 Ti. GTX 670 is more powerful. The new Nvidia drivers really help.

http://techreport.com/review/23981/radeon-hd-7950-vs-ge...


Latest benchmarks from toms, then prove me wrong, I doubt anything else on the internet unless its toms, tom's is completely unbiased, so I will reject anything else BUT toms.
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a c 291 U Graphics card
December 7, 2012 6:23:44 PM

Good for you. Tom's hardware hasn't done any recent reviews of neither of HD 7950, GTX 670 or GTX 660 Ti. If you think that 4 month old benchmarks are OK, keep that opinion for yourself. I wasn't trying to show anything to you: instead I showed the info to the OP.
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December 7, 2012 7:24:45 PM

Sunius said:
Good for you. Tom's hardware hasn't done any recent reviews of neither of HD 7950, GTX 670 or GTX 660 Ti. If you think that 4 month old benchmarks are OK, keep that opinion for yourself. I wasn't trying to show anything to you: instead I showed the info to the OP.

4 month old benchmarks are not okay, 4 month old bench's don't flesh out latest drivers, remember the update to Catalyst updates? those pushed all of ATI's cards up above, and up to par, with Nvidia cards.
I am saying that the 7950 is better than the 670, not the 680, not the 690. the 670, including everything under it.
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a b U Graphics card
December 7, 2012 7:32:01 PM

The way techreport does graphics card reviews is pretty neat. Kinda like hardocp, but more technical. You should check it out.

This makes me rethink suggesting radeons over geforces(on windows 8, anyway). wonder what win 7 results would've been.

Also, techreport tested the geforce using an older driver, not the latest one. wonder if it would be a substantial performance boost.
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December 7, 2012 8:25:33 PM

Kiowa789 said:
4 month old benchmarks are not okay, 4 month old bench's don't flesh out latest drivers, remember the update to Catalyst updates? those pushed all of ATI's cards up above, and up to par, with Nvidia cards.
I am saying that the 7950 is better than the 670, not the 680, not the 690. the 670, including everything under it.


So you basically refuse to look at recent benchmarks and somehow magically "know" that AMD driver increased performance beyond nvidia cards? Your logic is flawed.
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a b U Graphics card
December 7, 2012 10:02:11 PM

Considering the date this techreport article was published, it's safe to assume that when they started testing that the latest nvidia driver wasn't out yet. Regardless, the hd7950 with 12.11 drivers was slower than the gtx660ti with drivers a few editions prior to current. If the latest nvidia driver does boost performance as promised(and not do the opposite by hurting performance), then the geforce would be even faster. I've been recommending radeons over geforces to folks lately, but based on this new info I may be changing my tune. I will say that these latest tests at techreport were done using windows 8, so the results may not apply to windows 7(amd perhaps having a harder time creating performance drivers for win 8 than nvidia?). Maybe if they had tested on windows 7 the results would have been reversed, but we will probably never know.
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December 7, 2012 10:41:56 PM

Sunius said:
So you basically refuse to look at recent benchmarks and somehow magically "know" that AMD driver increased performance beyond nvidia cards? Your logic is flawed.


I refuse to look at benchmarks from any other site not ok'd by toms, AMD Driver performance increased several weeks ago, they are still at the mark where they are now, the beta drivers released fix minor bugs, Nvidia's latest drivers that came out 2 days ago are so-so, definitely doing what the AMD drivers did to its performance.
Its not flawed, its that its not understandable.
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December 8, 2012 9:10:02 AM

If you refuse to look at other benchmarks, how do you know that AMD drivers increased the performance? Well, I can say only one thing: you don't.
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a b U Graphics card
December 8, 2012 2:25:44 PM

Best answer selected by mastrom101.
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a b U Graphics card
December 8, 2012 2:26:07 PM

Got the 7950! Thanks for your help!

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