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January 19, 2013 9:12:58 PM

I am building a gaming PC for the first time and have selected the following parts below.
Can you take a look and give me some advice\guidance on where i could improve my system and if i have made any mistakes with the compatibility of my parts. I am concerned around the motherboard the most as this is the part i found the most difficult to choose, i got lost in a sea of boards to choose from. I am wiling to spend some more if needed or likewise if there is a better part for less money i don't like getting ripped off either.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. This will be my main rig for a few years and would like to have the option to upgrade in the future.


Approximate Purchase Date: next 2 weeks (the closer the better)

Budget Range: (e.g.: 1000-1800) After Shipping

System Usage from Most to Least Important: gaming

Are you buying a monitor: No

Parts to Upgrade:
Case:
Cooler Master HAF X
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cooler-Master-HAF-USB-Case/dp/B...
Price 148

Power Supply :
CoolerMaster Silent Pro Gold 800W
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cooler-Master-Silent-Power-Supp...
Prcie 147


Motherboard:
ASRock Z77 Extreme4
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Z77-Extreme4-Motherboard-Suppor...
Prcie 120

CPU:
intel Core+i7 3930K Price 520 euro
Intel Core i7-3930K Sandy Bridge-E Six-Core 3.2GHz-3.8GHz Turbo LGA 2011 Unlocked Multiplier
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/327
http://www.amazon.com/Intel-i7-3930K-Hexa-Core-Processo...


Memory:
Samsung Electronics Extreme Low Voltage 30nm UDIMM 4 Not a kit (Single) DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM MV-3V4G3/US
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0059200FY?tag=intercept-kb-20
Price 23 x 4


Graphics card:
EVGA GeForce GTX 670 915MHz 2GB PCI-Express 3.0 HDMI
http://www.dabs.ie/products/evga-geforce-gtx-670-915mhz...
Price 377 euro

Storage(HDD & SSD):
Samsung 840 Series 250GB 2.5 inch SATA Solid State Drive
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-Series-250GB-Solid-Stat...
Price 155

Another HDD:
WD Green 500 GB Desktop Hard Drive: 3.5 Inch, SATA III, 64 MB Cache - WD5000AZRX
http://www.amazon.com/Green-500-Desktop-Hard-Drive/dp/B...
Price : 48

Optical Drive:
Lite-On iHBS212
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price 82


Do you need to buy OS: No

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: (e.g.: newegg.com, ncix.com -- to show us selection & pricing)

Location: Dublin, Ireland

Parts Preferences: Intel

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: No

Your Monitor Resolution: Dell u3011 2560 x 1600 at 60 Hz

Additional Comments: I would like a quiet PC. Starcarft II wings of liberty , Football Manager 2013, Skyrim, First Person Shooters, Windows 8

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: I'm having trouble running all of the recent pc games on my very old rig

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January 20, 2013 2:47:10 AM

Get a 3570k, you could get a 7970 or 680 with the lower price.
a b 4 Gaming
January 20, 2013 2:58:48 AM

The 3930K (LGA2011) is not compatible with Z77 motherboards (LGA1155). As suggested, get a 3570K

This is just a suggestion but the money saved from changing the CPU could go into another video card (maybe another GTX670). High resolution like 2560x1440/2560x1600 would really benefit from more powerful gpu solution. Although, bear in mind, in some games a single 670 is probably enough. It's the more demanding game that will benefit more from dual 670s (ie, FC3, BF3). Note that SLI doesn't necessarily works in all games but most newer games should see some scaling.
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January 20, 2013 3:23:19 AM

as mentioned the cpu is not compatible with that board i also wouldnt be getting a coolermaster psu, most stuff they make is pretty good but there psu's are generally rubbish
a b 4 Gaming
January 20, 2013 3:24:14 AM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3550 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($205.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H60 54.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($69.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: ASRock Z68 PRO3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($140.40 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($48.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($48.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston HyperX 3K 90GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($329.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $975.31
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-20 00:22 EST-0500)

This is just something i put together really quick, you can upgrade/change many things as the final price is almost $1000 (without a case, i left that to your choosing)
so there is a lot of room left for upgrading if you wish to do so.
a b 4 Gaming
January 20, 2013 3:59:09 AM

Don't get cheap water cooler - get cheap air.

Don't get single sticks of ram - get matched sets.

Stick with 3570K.
January 20, 2013 8:49:38 AM

bob hays said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3550 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($205.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H60 54.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($69.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: ASRock Z68 PRO3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($140.40 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($48.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($48.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston HyperX 3K 90GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($329.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $975.31
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-20 00:22 EST-0500)

This is just something i put together really quick, you can upgrade/change many things as the final price is almost $1000 (without a case, i left that to your choosing)
so there is a lot of room left for upgrading if you wish to do so.


dont get this system at all rubbish cooler (if you do water cooling do it right not near the smallest you can get), why not pay a little extra for the 3570k, paying top dollar for a z68 with 3rd gen i5??(pci-e 3.0 and other goodies with z77), you rarely need 16gb ram, 90gb ssd is to small 120 should be minimum considered.
side note if you have another compu you can borrow a dvd drive from ditch it because once you are installed you never use again pretty much, everything is downloadable.
January 20, 2013 10:19:39 AM

Brilliant i knew i needed some solid advice. Thanks for all the input lads.

So the 3930K (LGA2011) is not compatible with Z77 motherboards (LGA1155).
This saves me a mistake straight away. Thank you all.

I would like to stick with the Intel Core i7 3930 for the extra processing power and to future proof my rig a bit more.
So i would prefer to swap the motherboard instead of the cpu.
Can anyone recommend a motherboard that would work well with the Intel Core i7 3930K?

I have also been recommended to get matched sticks of RAM?
Can anyone recommend good sticks with the new motherboard?

There was mention of water cooling but i will be sticking to air. Water cooling i think is too advanced for me and i don't like the idea of it either.

There was also mention of the SLI with another graphics card and maybe a bit better graphics card than the GTX 670.
I may do this depending on what the cpu and motherboard come in at.

So i will be having another look around now but if you can provide some suggestions would appreciate.
a b 4 Gaming
January 20, 2013 10:29:28 AM

Peeps2244 said:
I would like to stick with the Intel Core i7 3930 for the extra processing power and to future proof my rig a bit more.
So i would prefer to swap the motherboard instead of the cpu.
Can anyone recommend a motherboard that would work well with the Intel Core i7 3930K.


GIGABYTE GA-X79-UP4

Peeps2244 said:
I have also been recommended to get matched sticks of RAM?
Can anyone recommend good sticks with the new motherboard?


GSkill Ripjaws Z Series 1600 CL 9.0 16GB
a b 4 Gaming
January 20, 2013 11:40:02 AM

Keep in mind you're spending $600 for a last get CPU that doesn't support PCI 3.0 and will not perform any better in games now or in the foreseeable future. PCI 3.0 doesn't matter much now, but it will before your 12 threads are better than the 3770K's 8 (at least imho).

It's your money tho, so be happy :) 
January 20, 2013 2:27:37 PM

Okay attempt two trying to take in advice given above:

Cooler Master HAF X
CoolerMaster Silent Pro Gold 800W
ASUS Rampage IV
Intel Core i7-3930K
G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory x 2
Nvidia GeForce GTX 680
Samsung 840 Series 250GB 2.5 inch SATA Solid State Drive
WD Green 500 GB Desktop Hard Drive: 3.5 Inch, SATA III, 64 MB Cache - WD5000AZRX
Lite-On iHBS212

I tried to put the parts together here
http://pcpartpicker.com/uk/p/yAm2

But its coming in hot and heavy at 1702 sterling and the i could not find the exact optical drive & power supply.
Can you tell me if i would have any capabilities issues again and if i can save anywhere that wont hurt performance to much.


a b 4 Gaming
January 20, 2013 2:34:19 PM

Rampage IV is expensive, you could cut cost on cheaper X79 motherboards like the one I suggested earlier.

A GTX680 isn't a good purchase in my opinion, a GTX670 performs almost the same while costs far less and an HD7970 is similar or better than a GTX680 while also costs less.

Cooler Master psu aren't the best choice. You could get a Corsair TX650/750, HX650/750, Seasonic X650/750 which are better units.
January 20, 2013 3:54:07 PM

Ok bringing it back a little:

Cooler Master HAF X
Corsair TX CMPSU-750TX 750W
ASUS Rampage IV
Intel Core i7-3930K
G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory x 2
Nvidia GeForce GTX 680
Samsung 840 Series 250GB 2.5 inch SATA Solid State Drive
WD Green 500 GB Desktop Hard Drive: 3.5 Inch, SATA III, 64 MB Cache - WD5000AZRX
Lite-On iHBS212

Parts here:
http://pcpartpicker.com/uk/p/yB2e

Although again i cant get an exact match on psu and optical drive. But price should be rough same ball park.
£1527.65

I much happier with that, will take a look at the GIGABYTE GA-X79-UP4 a little bit more but the reviews for ASUS Rampage IV were outrageous. I could still tinker with reducing the SSD as well i suppose.

Any other suggestions or does it look like a decent system that wont disappoint when i turn on?
a b 4 Gaming
January 20, 2013 11:33:09 PM

Since you're determined to go all out for little gain, X79 is a quad channel chipset so you could do 4 x 2gb or 4 x 4gb to run it as it was designed.

I know I said earlier it's your money, but as a frame of reference my system cost the equivalent of £820 and you'd be hard pressed to tell them apart in real world usage.
January 21, 2013 10:09:33 PM

Read a very interesting article on the i7 and this has given me pause for thought on the i7 chip now.
http://www.techspot.com/review/537-max-payne-3-performa...

Oh by the way i made a mistake on my list 680 is out and 670 is back in.
You are telling me and all the articles i have read that i am not getting much more for my money there.

So this is what i am thinking on the parts at the motherboard :

Cooler Master HAF X - Really like this so going to stick with it.
Corsair TX CMPSU-750TX 750W - had another look and like this and its cheaper.
ASUS Rampage IV - I do like this board because of its good looks and performance and extras. But it is expensive because of that I am considering the GIGABYTE GA-X79-UP4 ? Is there a better looking board out there as cheap ?
Intel Core i7-3930K - Reconsidering now
G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory x 2 - I do like these and i see they come in red to match the motherboard ;) 
Nvidia GeForce GTX 670 - Yes like this and i will stick with it now. If i need more power will add another later.
Samsung 840 Series 250GB 2.5 inch SATA Solid State Drive - Might drop to lower size or cheaper card?
WD Green 500 GB Desktop Hard Drive: 3.5 Inch, SATA III, 64 MB Cache - WD5000AZRX - Have no preference here as long as its solid and cheap
Lite-On iHBS212 - no preference but would like blu ray

Also can i ask another newb question. I don't see any cooling for the i7-3930 i am currently looking at.
Do i really need this for any chip i get? Should i invest? Whats good and easy to install. I have seen things like the Crosair H100, which looks over the top and hard to fit for a newb like myself.

a b 4 Gaming
January 22, 2013 1:13:49 AM

Like everything else, it's diminishing returns. $35 Evo will get 4.4/4.5, a $80 Noctua Dh-14 will probably get you 4.7/4.8 (maybe a little more?), guessing a $110 H100 with push/pull fans gets you 5.0. So, you pay 200% more for a 14% overclock increase.

If you have to have something better than "good" I'd recommend the DH-14 (or similar).
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