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January 20, 2013 6:36:18 PM

I was just planning on using this PC for games (high settings). Some of them would be Borderlands 2, Just Cause 2, Metro 2033, Saints Row: The Third, and others. I was wondering if there were upgrades for anything I have, but not too expensive. Any help would be great!

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/yCSO

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January 20, 2013 7:26:34 PM

hero2016 said:
I was just planning on using this PC for games (high settings). Some of them would be Borderlands 2, Just Cause 2, Metro 2033, Saints Row: The Third, and others. I was wondering if there were upgrades for anything I have, but not too expensive. Any help would be great!

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/yCSO


Yeah, that rig will destroy basically any modern game. The only improvement I can even think of would be to add an SSD, but that might be too pricey for you. Really it depends on what resolutions at which you want to run games; you might be better off with a lower-end GPU and an SSD, but that's entirely subjective.

I would probably swap out the power supply for a Seasonic model, though. Coolermaster doesn't have the greatest reputation in the PSU arena. The particular model you have in mind doesn't get a terrible review, but it isn't exactly glowing, either:

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Cooler-Master-eX...

January 20, 2013 8:40:49 PM

Fulgurant said:
Yeah, that rig will destroy basically any modern game. The only improvement I can even think of would be to add an SSD, but that might be too pricey for you. Really it depends on what resolutions at which you want to run games; you might be better off with a lower-end GPU and an SSD, but that's entirely subjective.

I would probably swap out the power supply for a Seasonic model, though. Coolermaster doesn't have the greatest reputation in the PSU arena. The particular model you have in mind doesn't get a terrible review, but it isn't exactly glowing, either:

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Cooler-Master-eX...


Is there any PSU that you would recommend for me? The Corsair Series seems pretty nice. I mean would Corsair Builder Series CX 600 Watt ATX/EPS 80 PLUS (CX600) be fine?:

http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Builder-Series-Watt-CX600...

And with the SSD, I will eventually get one, but that will be after I build this. I will be playing at 1920x1080 as well.
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January 20, 2013 8:54:10 PM

hero2016 said:
Is there any PSU that you would recommend for me? The Corsair Series seems pretty nice. I mean would Corsair Builder Series CX 600 Watt ATX/EPS 80 PLUS (CX600) be fine?:

http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Builder-Series-Watt-CX600...

And with the SSD, I will eventually get one, but that will be after I build this. I will be playing at 1920x1080 as well.


I can't find a trustworhy review for that particular PSU, but Corsair's a reputable brand. Some of Corsair's products are made by Seasonic; some are made by a company called Channel Well. Generally, I'd prefer the former.

Inveterate Seasonic fanboy that I am, I'd recommend this PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I have the modular version of that very product, actually. :) 

A couple of reviews:
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Seasonic-S12II-B...
January 20, 2013 8:57:23 PM

The XFX I listed is also made by SeaSonic based on the same SeaSonic S12II PSU platform that Fulgurant recommended above.
January 20, 2013 9:03:33 PM

I do like johnson's PSU because it is cheaper (after mail-in rebate) and it provides and extra 30W. Well, with that choice out of the way, any recommendation on SSD when that time comes along?
January 20, 2013 9:11:17 PM

The Samsung 840 Series is a potential candidate.
January 20, 2013 9:15:00 PM

Is there a specific size that would be better? Like the 120GB version I know is enough for the OS and games, but if you were to estimate, after OS, how many games would it hold?

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January 20, 2013 9:15:24 PM
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johnsonjohnson said:
The XFX I listed is also made by SeaSonic based on the same SeaSonic S12II PSU platform that Fulgurant recommended above.


Yup, also a good choice. :) 

hero2016 said:
I do like johnson's PSU because it is cheaper (after mail-in rebate) and it provides and extra 30W. Well, with that choice out of the way, any recommendation on SSD when that time comes along?


Samsung 840 or Intel 330, based on reputation (for both brands/models) -- and with regard to the Intel, based on my own personal experience (I own an Intel 330 240GB).

If you want a more in-depth analysis, the following link will give you quarterly return rates for various PC component brands/models: http://www.behardware.com/articles/881-7/components-ret...

(Keep in mind that return rate rankings will vary from quarter to quarter, but it's nice to have a resource that'll give you a more-or-less objective analysis of a brand or a model's reliability. Everyone has an opinion on this-or-that brand, based on his personal experience. The bottom line is that every brand sends out the occasional dud; the best you can hope to do is to minimize your chance of receiving one.)

That said, SSDs are so much faster than mechanical drives that your main concern should be reliability, not so much relative performance. Qualitatively, any SSD will seem like it gives your computer near-instantaneous responsiveness, and so the synthetic comparisons you'll see on various review sites really aren't all that useful in practice.
January 20, 2013 9:22:15 PM

hero2016 said:
Is there a specific size that would be better? Like the 120GB version I know is enough for the OS and games, but if you were to estimate, after OS, how many games would it hold?


Depends on the game. Some games these days can take up 20+ GB each.

If you plan to wait before you buy an SSD, then you're probably looking at least 240GB; as time passes, capacity becomes more and more valuable. It's a matter of preference, though; if you're comfortable micro-managing your data, then 120GB might work just fine.

Personally, even with 240GB, I find myself frequently moving stuff around. (This steam-mover tool is a great help, btw, for moving game installations.) Keep in mind that you'll want to keep a non-trivial amount of space free (say 20%) on your drive to maximize its health and performance. That's on top of the ~7% that will be reserved by default.

If you want to forego micromanaging your files, you might buy a small SSD and use it as a cache drive. It won't give you full-on SSD-like performance consistently, but it's a nice middle ground.

Otherwise, just buy the biggest SSD you can afford. :) 
January 20, 2013 9:26:06 PM

I'm not quite understanding that page you linked me, Fulgurant, if you could dumb it down a little bit for me, that'd be great! Also, the Samsung 840 120GB model is cheaper, so is that saying that there is a performance difference between the Intel and Samsung, or is it just because Intel is a bigger brand name?
January 20, 2013 9:33:10 PM

hero2016 said:
I'm not quite understanding that page you linked me, Fulgurant, if you could dumb it down a little bit for me, that'd be great! Also, the Samsung 840 120GB model is cheaper, so is that saying that there is a performance difference between the Intel and Samsung, or is it just because Intel is a bigger brand name?


The BEHardware page? It just lists the return rates for a given brand for a given quarter. A lower return rate means (or correlates with) a level of higher customer satisfaction -- fewer defective/flawed products reported.

So as of November of 2012, Intel leads at a return rate of 0.45%. Samsung is in second place at 0.48%. That means (loosely) that if you order an Intel or Samsung SSD, you have better than a 99.5% chance of being satisfied with your purchase, at least at the outset. Return rate is the closest thing we have to an objective measurement of reliability.

I didn't look at prices, by the way. I was just saying that those are both good brands/models to look at if/when you're in the market for an SSD. The market will fluctuate; when I bought my Intel, it was significantly cheaper than the nearest Samsung. Apparently, the situation is reversed right now. Keep an eye on it. :) 
January 20, 2013 9:42:50 PM

Oh, I get it now, thanks! Thank you both! I think I am going with Johnson's PSU and probably the Intel by you Fulgurant. Thanks again to you both!
January 20, 2013 9:43:30 PM

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January 20, 2013 9:45:47 PM

hero2016 said:
I'm not quite understanding that page you linked me, Fulgurant, if you could dumb it down a little bit for me, that'd be great! Also, the Samsung 840 120GB model is cheaper, so is that saying that there is a performance difference between the Intel and Samsung, or is it just because Intel is a bigger brand name?

There are performance differences between every SSD out there but you won't feel it in everyday use. However, you will feel the difference between an SSD and a hard drive. I'd rather get a reliable SSD than one that might perform a little faster in synthetic tests.
January 20, 2013 9:54:09 PM

johnsonjohnson said:
There are performance differences between every SSD out there but you won't feel it in everyday use. However, you will feel the difference between an SSD and a hard drive. I'd rather get a reliable SSD than one that might perform a little faster in synthetic tests.


yup. This is basically what I was trying to say earlier; johnson just says it better. :) 

@hero2016 - Both the Samsung and the Intel are great choices. It doesn't matter which you buy, so whichever is cheaper if/when you're in the market will be just fine.
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January 20, 2013 10:03:20 PM

I'd drop the "blue" HD, the "Black" is the performance model. But better yet, since ya don't have an SSD I'd grab a Seagate Momentus Hyrbrid SSD/HD.... I have numerous tier 1 SSD's and my experience mirrors the reviews.....the Momentus is barely noticeable difference. Just $60 more than your build.

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The Corsair 500R case is a steal right now at just $88 after 10% off coupon code (10% off w/ EMCXWWN93), $20MIIR .... not to mention an extra $25 off on the Corsair HX650 watt PSU. The HX series are Corsair's best units

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
$215 combo price - $30 MIR's - $12 coupon code = $172 is a no brainer

Just $20 more gets ya a TX850 PSU which covers you for a future 2nd GFX Card in SLI. Unless extreme overclocking both CPU and 2 GPU's, the TX is just fine.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
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