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December 5, 2012 10:17:52 PM

So my PC is super, super slow in BF3. It gets just barely over 30 FPS on LOW (Yes, I said low) settings.

Specs:

CPU: AMD Phenom X2 220 @ 2.8 gHz Duel cores! >:( 
GPU: Nvidia GTS 450
RAM: 4 GB
Power Supply: Some 600w one I bought at Best Buy, I can't get behind my PC and look at it clearly enough! :( 
Cooling: None
OS: Windows 7

I don't really know if I need a new CPU, but I know that I need a new GPU for sure. I have about a $500 dollar budget for the new parts. I've seen the Nvidia GTX 660 Ti and it looks pretty good, but I'm no computer wizard. Its $310 at Newegg, which would leave me about $200 for more RAM, or a new Mobo and a CPU. What should I get to play BF3 with decent FPS on high settings? Thanks!

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December 5, 2012 10:23:51 PM

I just saw a rig that looked pretty good, and the poster said he could run BF3 at ultra! Here it is! :D 

GPU: MSI GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB $310
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 $90
Mobo: MSI 970A-G46 AM3+ $80
RAM: G.SKILL Sniper Low Voltage Series 8GB $45

Total Price: $525

Would this be a good buy? Thanks!
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December 5, 2012 10:27:13 PM

That is a good deal assuming all the components work right, doesn't mention a PSU at all though?

Oh wait, are you buying this second hand from ebay, or whatever, or is it just a barebones kit?
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December 5, 2012 10:41:27 PM

Mace its just a list of parts that I found on Newegg. And what do you mean by a barebones kit? And the PSU, would a 600w one be enough?
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December 5, 2012 10:46:30 PM

A 660 Ti will do you pretty well for BF3.

I would suggest getting a 6 or 8 core processor if you can afford it. Your build will last longer, and to my understanding, BF3 strains a bit at 4-cores. My computer goes under a lot of load for BF3 and I have a 1090T (6-core 3.2GHz Phenom II).

Is your current computer running 32-bit or 64-bit of Windows 7? If it's running 32-bit, then the OS can only handle 4GB of RAM in total. That means if you have 4GB of RAM and 256MB of RAM on the videocard, your onboard RAM will be cut down to ~3.74GB.

A dual-core processor will barely cut it with BF3, though. That's definitely a problem, along with the 450. It takes a lot of digital balls to run BF3 I've found.
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December 5, 2012 11:06:05 PM

Seifer, my OS is a 64 bit, so to my understanding I can run 8 GB of ram? Also, I found the AMD FX-6100 Zambezi 3.3GHz Socket AM3+ 95W. Would this work? And to my understanding, I wouldn't have to change my mobo for this CPU. :D 
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December 5, 2012 11:12:10 PM

seifer44 said:
A 660 Ti will do you pretty well for BF3.

I would suggest getting a 6 or 8 core processor if you can afford it. Your build will last longer, and to my understanding, BF3 strains a bit at 4-cores. My computer goes under a lot of load for BF3 and I have a 1090T (6-core 3.2GHz Phenom II).

Is your current computer running 32-bit or 64-bit of Windows 7? If it's running 32-bit, then the OS can only handle 4GB of RAM in total. That means if you have 4GB of RAM and 256MB of RAM on the videocard, your onboard RAM will be cut down to ~3.74GB.

A dual-core processor will barely cut it with BF3, though. That's definitely a problem, along with the 450. It takes a lot of digital balls to run BF3 I've found.


BF3 doesn't need 6 or 8 cores.
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December 5, 2012 11:30:32 PM

loresr, so should I stick with the 4-core CPU or go for the 6-core CPU?
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December 5, 2012 11:34:17 PM

Bf 3 will run on 4 cores, barebones kits are just packs of components tigerdirect will sell at a reduced price. I would recommend a 550w at the very least have more space between what your rig is drawing and what the PSU can deliver is good, make sure it's a good unit too though, I recommend this one to lot's of people: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

These are good if you want to spend less money, I still say that Seasonic is worth the extra money though:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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December 5, 2012 11:35:11 PM

Get a Phenom II x4 965, thats really the best AMD CPU for the price, you can step up to an FX 8350 but that'll run close to $200, you won't need that much power for a 660 anyway.
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December 5, 2012 11:45:50 PM

Mace, I actually took a closer look at my PSU, and it looks exactly the same as the Antec one that you posted a link on. I think I'm deciding on the parts below.

GPU: MSI 660 Ti $310
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 $90
Mobo: MSI 970A-G46 AM3+ $80
RAM: CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) $40

I got less ram because the 12GB I would have had seems like overkill. With the 6GB plus the 4GB that I have now I should have 10GB, so I think thats enough. :)  Thanks for helping me guys!
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December 5, 2012 11:49:01 PM

Your not really suppose to mix and match RAM, if you have one spare 4gig stick now, then buy another 4Gig stick just like it and go with the two for a total of 8Gbs. It's better to have 2 sticks over 3 because then your still running dual channel.
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December 5, 2012 11:59:35 PM

you could save some money by going with the 660 non ti. its just about 8% slower than 660 ti for $100 less.
the 965 is a good choice and a very capable cpu for the price. that way you could also keep your existing motherboard and you save a lot of money!!
also with the 660 non ti you may not even need to upgrade your existing 600 watt power supply if it has 2 6 pin pcie connectors!!
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December 6, 2012 12:07:30 AM

Thanks mohit, that saved me alot of money. :) 

GPU: MSI GeForce GTX 660 2GB $230
CPU: AMD Phenom X4 965 $90
RAM: CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) $35

Ill stick with 8GB of RAM, which I think is enough. Thanks for everyone's help!
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December 6, 2012 1:01:05 AM

My i5-2500k is better for gaming then any AMD chip. In BF3, I'll run circles around AMD boys then knife them.

As stated, quad core CPUs are better than 6 or 8 cores on the market. Ok, enough said.

OP should have 8gb RAM if possible. BF3 uses a lot. Mine varies from 5to6 gb.
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December 6, 2012 1:25:41 AM

loresr97 said:
BF3 doesn't need 6 or 8 cores.

I was suggesting hardware for a build that would last longer. Crysis 3 is just around the corner, and that'll tap out systems pretty easily.
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December 6, 2012 1:37:19 AM

Stick with the 965, it's a great CPU. Don't waste $100 more on an i5 that will only get you less than 10fps over the AMD. Your build will end up very similar to mine so you will be able to play BF3 on Ultra
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December 6, 2012 2:01:44 AM

MagicalKiwi said:
Mace, I actually took a closer look at my PSU, and it looks exactly the same as the Antec one that you posted a link on. I think I'm deciding on the parts below.

GPU: MSI 660 Ti $310
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 $90
Mobo: MSI 970A-G46 AM3+ $80
RAM: CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) $40

I got less ram because the 12GB I would have had seems like overkill. With the 6GB plus the 4GB that I have now I should have 10GB, so I think thats enough. :)  Thanks for helping me guys!



Whoa, whoa $300 for a 660ti. Why don't you get a HD 7950 boost for the same price which beats GTX 670 in BF3.

http://static.techspot.com/articles-info/603/bench/BF3_...


For 230, why dont you get HD 7870, which beats 660. THis is a special OCed edition.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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December 6, 2012 2:02:27 AM

Before we get too carried away. Is your computer OEM? Windows license is not transferring over if so.
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December 6, 2012 2:13:21 AM

I would reccomend the FX 6300 or the FX 4300 over the 965 but on a tight budget the 965 can hold its own.
bgrt: That is for single player. If the OP plans to play multiplayer 64 player BF3, the absolute minimum for play ability is the 4300. The outdoors 64 player maps are particularly demanding.


For GPU I would reccomend the 7850 OC or the 7870 as AMD performs almost the same in BF3 for about $60 cheaper
7850 OC (49~50fps) performs close to the 660 but is cheaper. 7870 performs close to the 660ti but costs about the same as the 660.

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December 6, 2012 7:43:05 PM

BF3 can use the FX CPU's quite well actually, it's just that many other games will not. Phenom II x4 965, for a budget or the FX 8350 if you want to spend some more.
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December 7, 2012 9:34:24 PM

So I should get the FX 8450 if I'm willing to spend about $30 more? And by the way, what is the advantage of a 6-core to a 4-core CPU?
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December 7, 2012 10:22:57 PM

MagicalKiwi said:
So I should get the FX 8450 if I'm willing to spend about $30 more? And by the way, what is the advantage of a 6-core to a 4-core CPU?


Get the i5 3570k its better for gaming at same price.
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December 7, 2012 10:32:27 PM

First: You either need to go to your motherboard manufactures site or tell us the model of it so we can see if any of these CPU's being suggested are even supported.

The next step is to open up your pc and see exactly what your power supply is. I dont want to see a post saying that you upgraded your system and when you turned it on it blew up and burned your house down.

As for the cpu, no matter which one your going to get you are eventually going to want to overclock it and will need a cpu cooler. Only $25 after rebate.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And since you're running AMD and they tend to want ram installed in the slots closest to the processor you'll probably need low profile ram.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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December 7, 2012 10:50:03 PM

Yes, we need to know if your motherbaord can support the new bulldozers. Even if it doesn't the FX6300 will be adequate for a new build. The FX8350 and the i5 3570k will actually perform close to the same in BF3 multiplayer since it responds well to multiple core and will actually scale to 6 threads.
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December 8, 2012 2:15:55 AM

After looking for about 30 minutes, I found the PC that was in it. Sort of. The base PC is an ASUS Essentio CM1630-05. I have no clue what mobo is in the PC, so if anyone could tell me if the AMD FX-6100 Zambezi 3.3GHz or the AMD FX-4100 Zambezi 3.6GHz is compatible with the mobo that my X2 220 is hooked up to, that would be great. Thanks!

Also one more thing. Does the integrated graphics in the CPU work along with the GPU, kind of like CrossFire or SLI? Just a random question.
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December 8, 2012 2:41:25 AM

My original point stands. This thread got much too far along.

You have an OEM computer and the motherboard cannot transfer the Windows 7 license over. Also since it is OEM you cannot upgrade the bios to accept the FX processors since it is locked. Although it is a 760g chipset, you would need to contact ASUS in order to see what upgrades are available to your computer which might be limited quad core athlon variants. 95 TDP and under.

After doing that, you would need a new power supply and video card if you intend to keep this system, a 7850 and PSU around 500 watts. That's about all you can do without building a new computer. I started just the same way with an OEM HP computer and ended up with more headaches than anything.
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December 9, 2012 5:18:48 PM

Couldn't I just buy a new copy of Windows 7 to go with the new parts, kind of liking buying a new computer?
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December 9, 2012 7:02:41 PM

Yea you can buy a new windows key, it'll run you around $100 for windows 7 and something like $80 for windows 8.
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December 9, 2012 9:03:55 PM

So that would add $80 to my price tag, but I wouldn't have to spend alot more money to buy a new PC?
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December 9, 2012 9:28:10 PM

If you're goin to get a 8350, might as well get intel 3470/3570k since they perform better. But seriously the 6300 will do fine with BF3 with 45fps+ almost all the time. Your screen can't show more than 60fps so the i5's extra peformance is just wasted.
You still need new parts to perform better in games. Getting a new windows 7 gives you option to use a new motherboard.

Some OEM's allow you to upgrade your bios. I have done that with acer oem desktops and even upgraded my acer laptop as well. Most inportant thing is check to see if asus has a new bios for your board to support the FX
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December 9, 2012 10:26:47 PM

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