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January 20, 2013 11:33:56 PM

I plan on building a desktop and my price limit is $1,000 but with my current specs i'm at $2,500. Can anyone help me either find the same parts at a cheaper price or tell me about different cheaper items.

SlothMachine:

Parts:

Case:
NZXT VULC-001BK Vulcan Gaming Enthusiast MicroATX Computer Case - MicroATX, USB, 1 x Orange LED fan, Black

MotherBoard:
ASUS P8Z77-V Deluxe Intel 7 Series Motherboard - ATX, Socket H2 (LGA1155), Intel Z77, 2400MHz DDR3 (O.C.), SATA III (6Gb/s), RAID, 8-CH Audio, 2x Gigabit LAN, USB 3.0, PCIe 3.0, WiFi-N, SLI/CrossFireX

PCU:
CORSAIR HX Series HX850 850W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply

CPU:
Intel Core i5-2500K BX80623I52500 Unlocked Processor - Quad Core, 6MB L3 Cache, 1MB L2 Cache, 3.30 GHz (3.70 GHz Max Turbo), Socket H2 (LGA1155), 95W, Fan, Retail

CPU Fan:
Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 CPU Cooler for Intel - 6 Heatpipe Dual Radiator, 140mm and 120mm Fan, 12V, MTBF > 150,000h

HDD:
Seagate ST3000DM001 Barracuda 7200.14 Hard Drive - 3TB, SATA III (6Gb/s), 3.5", 7200RPM, 64MB

SSD:
Transcend SSD720 TS64GSSD720 64GB Internal Solid State Drive - 2.5" Form Factor, SATA III, Up To 560 MB/s Read, Up To 540 MB/s Write

RAM:
Corsair CMZ8GX3M2X1600C8B Vengeance Desktop Memory Kit - 8GB (2x 4GB), PC3-12800, DDR3-1600MHz, 240-pin DIMM, 1.5V, CL8, Unbuffered, Intel XMP Ready

Graphics Card:
EVGA Geforce GTX 670 FTW Signature 2 02G-P4-3677-KR Video Card - 2GB GDDR5, PCI-Express 3.0(x16), 1x Dual-Link DVI-D, 1x Dual-Link DVI-D, 1x DisplayPort, 1x HDMI, DirectX 11, SLI Ready

DVD:
Samsung SH-224BB/RSBS Internal 24X DVD Burner -Tray, SATA, 1.5MB Buffer Memory, 16x DVD-R Read, 48x CD-R Write

SD Drive:
NZXT Aperture M 8C-APER000-W0B Internal Card Reader - Supports CF, MD, SM, XD, SD, SDHC, SDXC, MMC, MS, M2, and MicroSD, 2 x USB 3.0 Ports, White LED

Software:

OS:
Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate Operating System Software - English, DVD

Microsoft Office:
Microsoft Office Professional 2010 Product Key Card

Accesories:

Monitor:
ASUS VK248H-CSM 24" Class Widescreen LED Monitor - 1920 x 1080, 16:9, 2000:1, 2ms, HDMI, VGA, DVI-D, Built-in Webcam

Keyboard:
Logitech 920-004033 K310 Washable Keyboard - USB, 12 Hotkeys

External Floppy Drive:
Diablotek 1.44MB OEM External USB Floppy Drive BLK

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January 20, 2013 11:43:46 PM

what are you looking to do with your system? (if you are buying all thos accessories it's harder to fit those kind of specs into your build budget)
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January 20, 2013 11:47:23 PM

gussrtk said:
what are you looking to do with your system? (if you are buying all thos accessories it's harder to fit those kind of specs into your build budget)


I want a good business computer. Just as an extra I would like it to have average gaming capabilities.
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January 21, 2013 12:10:35 AM

What exactly are you after, business can mean anything from spreadsheets to calculating huge sums of data to predict the stock market.
But yea, I can see a lot of places in that rig where you can cut down. But you might just be better off overhauling the entire rig and starting again.
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January 21, 2013 12:14:02 AM

manofchalk said:
What exactly are you after, business can mean anything from spreadsheets to calculating huge sums of data to predict the stock market.
But yea, I can see a lot of places in that rig where you can cut down. But you might just be better off overhauling the entire rig and starting again.


I'm not starting again. But business means PDFs and Word DOCs.
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January 21, 2013 12:19:55 AM

In that case the build you have specced is very much overkill.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($149.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: ASRock H77 Pro4/MVP ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($87.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($46.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1.5TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($77.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($189.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($53.99 @ NCIX US)
Monitor: Asus VE248HL-TAA 24.0" Monitor ($208.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($84.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $990.46
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-20 21:19 EST-0500)

Much better rig for what your after, and arguably overkill still.
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January 21, 2013 12:24:50 AM

manofchalk said:
In that case the build you have specced is very much overkill.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($149.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: ASRock H77 Pro4/MVP ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($87.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($46.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1.5TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($77.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($189.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($53.99 @ NCIX US)
Monitor: Asus VE248HL-TAA 24.0" Monitor ($208.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($84.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $990.46
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-20 21:19 EST-0500)

Much better rig for what your after, and arguably overkill still.


Thanks but I would prefer windows 7.
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January 21, 2013 12:26:30 AM

Then get Windows 7 instead.
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January 21, 2013 12:27:32 AM

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/yGT0
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/yGT0/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/yGT0/benchmarks/

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($129.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Thermaltake CLP0564 101.6 CFM CPU Cooler ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($77.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($36.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Galaxy GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB Video Card ($244.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Zalman Z9 ATX Mid Tower Case ($31.98 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Rosewill Hive 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.98 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Zalman MZ240ED 24.0" Monitor ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Keyboard: Microsoft Wireless Desktop 2000 Wireless Ergonomic Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($29.27 @ Amazon)
Total: $950.69
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-20 21:27 EST-0500)

Base Total: $1008.13
Mail-in Rebates: -$65.00
Shipping: $7.56
Total: $950.69

:D 
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January 21, 2013 12:31:13 AM

slothyslothers said:
I want a good business computer. Just as an extra I would like it to have average gaming capabilities.


As guss said, that's going to be a little difficult given all of your (apparent) requirements. A couple of questions/clarifications:

1. Is it important to you that you have a retail copy of Windows? You could buy an OEM version for significantly less money. The only downside is that the product key would be tied to your motherboard; the retail version allows you to transfer the OS to a new/different rig later.

2. Do you really need a floppy drive?

3. On a tenuously related note to #2, how important is the SD card reader?

4. Are you looking to use the SSD as a cache drive, or just as a system drive? If the latter, you may find that 64 GB is uncomfortably small.

5. The Office Professional license is absolutely crushing. I'm assuming you need it, but do keep in mind that it single-handedly reduces your effective budget to about $700; once you toss in the monitor, you're looking at a bargain-basement budget here.

6. You've listed a keyboard, but (unless I missed it) no mouse. I assume you don't need a mouse?

Anyway, given your (apparent) requirements, this was the best I could do:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus P8B75-M/CSM Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($78.24 @ Amazon)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($36.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7770 1GB Video Card ($106.97 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill Blackbone ATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec 450W ATX12V Power Supply ($30.95 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Zalman MZ215ED 21.5" Monitor ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Microsoft Keyboard 400 Wired Standard Keyboard ($9.99 @ NCIX US)
Other: Microsoft Office Professional 2010 card ($299.99)
Total: $1042.07
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-20 21:24 EST-0500)

A summary of the compromises/assumptions made here:

-I can't vouch for the monitor's quality, but I have seen other people on the forum buy it with no obvious reservations. You wanted 1080p, and this is about as cheap as you're gonna get it, as far as I can tell.

-Along similar lines, if you're going to game at 1080p, I can't in good conscience recommend anything less powerful than a Radeon HD7770. As it happens, though, the 7770 kinda-sorta fits into your budget, provided you're ok with the other compromises.

-There's no way to fit an SSD into your budget as I understand it. Likewise, I skimped on your HDD capacity.

-As above, I assumed you didn't need a mouse. The keyboard is basically the cheapest thing I could find. You could likely get a much better one at a relatively small price increase. I'd recommend going to a brick and mortar store to try out different keyboards though; if you're planning to do a lot of typing on the thing, you want to be sure you're comfortable with it.

-Also as above, I cut your Win7 Pro down to an OEM license. Do you need any of the pro features, or would Home Premium suffice?

-Finally, I cut out the floppy drive and the SD reader, for obvious reasons. The Office license is the killer.
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January 21, 2013 12:36:04 AM

manofchalk said:
What exactly are you after, business can mean anything from spreadsheets to calculating huge sums of data to predict the stock market.
But yea, I can see a lot of places in that rig where you can cut down. But you might just be better off overhauling the entire rig and starting again.


Yeah, anytime you're cutting your budget by 60%, it's safe to say that whatever configuration you've already picked out is no longer instructive, nor even relevant. Starting from scratch is the only option.
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January 21, 2013 12:41:49 AM

Fulgurant said:
As guss said, that's going to be a little difficult given all of your (apparent) requirements. A couple of questions/clarifications:

1. Is it important to you that you have a retail copy of Windows? You could buy an OEM version for significantly less money. The only downside is that the product key would be tied to your motherboard; the retail version allows you to transfer the OS to a new/different rig later.

2. Do you really need a floppy drive?

3. On a tenuously related note to #2, how important is the SD card reader?

4. Are you looking to use the SSD as a cache drive, or just as a system drive? If the latter, you may find that 64 GB is uncomfortably small.

5. The Office Professional license is absolutely crushing. I'm assuming you need it, but do keep in mind that it single-handedly reduces your effective budget to about $700; once you toss in the monitor, you're looking at a bargain-basement budget here.

6. You've listed a keyboard, but (unless I missed it) no mouse. I assume you don't need a mouse?

Anyway, given your (apparent) requirements, this was the best I could do:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus P8B75-M/CSM Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($78.24 @ Amazon)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($36.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7770 1GB Video Card ($106.97 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill Blackbone ATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec 450W ATX12V Power Supply ($30.95 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Zalman MZ215ED 21.5" Monitor ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Microsoft Keyboard 400 Wired Standard Keyboard ($9.99 @ NCIX US)
Other: Microsoft Office Professional 2010 card ($299.99)
Total: $1042.07
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-20 21:24 EST-0500)

A summary of the compromises/assumptions made here:

-I can't vouch for the monitor's quality, but I have seen other people on the forum buy it with no obvious reservations. You wanted 1080p, and this is about as cheap as you're gonna get it, as far as I can tell.

-Along similar lines, if you're going to game at 1080p, I can't in good conscience recommend anything less powerful than a Radeon HD7770. As it happens, though, the 7770 kinda-sorta fits into your budget, provided you're ok with the other compromises.

-There's no way to fit an SSD into your budget as I understand it. Likewise, I skimped on your HDD capacity.

-As above, I assumed you didn't need a mouse. The keyboard is basically the cheapest thing I could find. You could likely get a much better one at a relatively small price increase. I'd recommend going to a brick and mortar store to try out different keyboards though; if you're planning to do a lot of typing on the thing, you want to be sure you're comfortable with it.

-Also as above, I cut your Win7 Pro down to an OEM license. Do you need any of the pro features, or would Home Premium suffice?

-Finally, I cut out the floppy drive and the SD reader, for obvious reasons. The Office license is the killer.


1: I just want windows 7.
2: It's only for a 1 time use so it can be as shitty as possible as long as it runs.
3: I take pics of houses (Realtor) and put them up for show.
4: I was planing on using it for a faster startup and to run programs faster. It probably is be too small.
5: Yeah I do need it. Should I just torrent it and then torrent a keygen?
6: I have one.
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January 21, 2013 12:43:48 AM

Fulgurant said:
Yeah, anytime you're cutting your budget by 60%, it's safe to say that whatever configuration you've already picked out is no longer instructive, nor even relevant. Starting from scratch is the only option.


I never knew about PCPartPicker I just didn't want to do a fuckton of research again.
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January 21, 2013 12:46:23 AM

^First off, we don't condone piracy.
I will tell you you can get a free trial for Office, but it runs out after a month or something.

Really, this forum is for building systems. Subtract the cost of whatever software you need (other than OS) from your budget and give us a number to work with.
Also given that in all likely-hood you will end up with a ~$400 computer, you will have to lower your expectations a bit. This thing wont game that well and wont have an SSD outright.
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January 21, 2013 12:47:00 AM

slothyslothers said:
1: I just want windows 7.
2: It's only for a 1 time use so it can be as shitty as possible as long as it runs.
3: I take pics of houses (Realtor) and put them up for show.
4: I was planing on using it for a faster startup and to run programs faster. It probably is be too small.
5: Yeah I do need it. Should I just torrent it and then torrent a keygen?
6: I have one.


Sounds like you could shave ~$40 or so from the cost of Windows 7, by picking up an OEM copy of Home Premium (x64) instead of Windows 7 Professional. That's good.

I asked the question about the SSD before I realized just how crazy tight your budget was. If you have to buy Office Professional, then SSDs are way out of the question for a $1000 budget, but I guess it's good to keep in mind that you probably want at least 120GB for future reference.

Related to that last point, I can't advocate stealing a software license. It's against the forum rules too.

EDIT: If you don't absolutely require Office for compatibility with your employer's documents, then you might be able to make do with OpenOffice.org, which is an open-source (free) office suite. I just didn't want to suggest it before because I wasn't sure about your work situation.
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January 21, 2013 12:51:07 AM

manofchalk said:
^First off, we don't condone piracy.
I will tell you you can get a free trial for Office, but it runs out after a month or something.

Really, this forum is for building systems. Subtract the cost of whatever software you need (other than OS) from your budget and give us a number to work with.
Also given that in all likely-hood you will end up with a ~$400 computer, you will have to lower your expectations a bit. This thing wont game that well and wont have an SSD outright.


Do you not condone piracy or do you have to say that you don't condone piracy?
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January 21, 2013 12:52:12 AM

Fulgurant said:
Sounds like you could shave ~$40 or so from the cost of Windows 7, by picking up an OEM copy of Home Premium (x64) instead of Windows 7 Professional. That's good.

I asked the question about the SSD before I realized just how crazy tight your budget was. If you have to buy Office Professional, then SSDs are way out of the question for a $1000 budget, but I guess it's good to keep in mind that you probably want at least 120GB for future reference.

Related to that last point, I can't advocate stealing a software license. It's against the forum rules too.


Sounds good.
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January 21, 2013 12:53:14 AM

no one here supports illegal download of torrents.

also the build i made for u works good :D 
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January 21, 2013 12:56:27 AM

iceclock said:
no one here supports illegal download of torrents.

also the build i made for u works good :D 


It uses AMD... AMD sucks...
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January 21, 2013 12:57:01 AM

My personal views on piracy don't matter here, because unless I want to be banned from the forums I wont tell you to do it.
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January 21, 2013 12:59:03 AM

iceclock said:
no one here supports illegal download of torrents.

also the build i made for u works good :D 


Except that it's about $300 over budget. ;) 

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January 21, 2013 1:01:38 AM

no its 1k, the build i made.

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January 21, 2013 1:03:20 AM

Yeah, but included in that budget is about $300 worth of Microsoft Office.

Wasnt made all that clear.

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January 21, 2013 1:03:32 AM

iceclock said:
no its 1k, the build i made.


Does it include a Microsoft Office Professional 2010 license? :) 

EDIT: Heh, sorry, just busting your balls a bit. Your build is very good, and if the OP can make do with OpenOffice instead of the Microsoft Office license, then he should probably go with your build or something very similar to it. :) 
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January 21, 2013 1:10:58 AM

oh.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/yHol
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/yHol/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/yHol/benchmarks/

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($88.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($77.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($36.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 550 Ti 1GB Video Card ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Zalman Z9 ATX Mid Tower Case ($31.98 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Rosewill Hive 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.98 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Zalman MZ240ED 24.0" Monitor ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Keyboard: Microsoft Wireless Desktop 2000 Wireless Ergonomic Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($29.27 @ Amazon)
Other: microsoft office 2010 pro ($280.00)
Total: $964.69
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-20 22:10 EST-0500)

Base Total: $1011.14
Mail-in Rebates: -$60.00
Shipping: $13.55
Total: $964.69

there we go. im shur 11$ isnt a deal breaker :p 

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January 21, 2013 1:14:29 AM

iceclock said:
oh.

there we go. im shur 11$ isnt a deal breaker :p 


Nice. A more business-oriented, AMD version of my build. You trade the per-core performance of the Core i3 and some of the video muscle of the 7770 for better multi-threaded performance.

It's good to give the OP options. :) 
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January 21, 2013 1:20:03 AM

no i gave him what he could afford. lol

u funny.

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January 21, 2013 1:20:20 AM

Fulgurant said:
Nice. A more business-oriented, AMD version of my build. You trade the per-core performance of the Core i3 and some of the video muscle of the 7770 for better multi-threaded performance.

It's good to give the OP options. :) 


For $1,000 would it just be better to buy form best buy or would I just get less.
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January 21, 2013 1:22:55 AM

slothyslothers said:
For $1,000 would it just be better to buy form best buy or would I just get less.


You mean if Best Buy will bundle the Office software for you? I suppose it's just barely possible that some sort of OEM system with bundled software might be a better deal, but I very seriously doubt it. They'll find a way to screw you on the hardware.

If you need Microsoft Office, then go with either my build or iceclock's last build -- provided you feel comfortable assembling a computer yourself.
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January 21, 2013 1:25:14 AM

iceclock said:
no i gave him what he could afford. lol


Me too. I was just analyzing how your build is different from mine.

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January 21, 2013 2:35:12 AM

i havent seen u come up with a build thats better than mine for the price.

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January 21, 2013 2:58:03 AM

iceclock said:
i havent seen u come up with a build thats better than mine for the price.


The only build I provided in this thread is about the same as yours, with all due respect. It's just got slightly different strengths -- Intel CPU versus AMD, HD7770 versus 550Ti.

(And if you're objecting to the higher cost of my build, then check out the subsequent discussion on Windows Pro versus Windows Home Premium. I originally included Pro because I wasn't sure if the OP genuinely needed it for some business-related reason. Downgrade that disc to Home Premium and guess what? The price is almost exactly the same as yours.)

I don't know why you've got your knickers in a twist. Listen, I understand that some posters like to take the carpet-bomb approach to helping people out in this forum (posting bare specs in many different threads without supplying any accompanying reasoning), and I understand that because you make so many builds with pcpartspicker, you're probably better/faster at it than I am -- but if you really mean to suggest that your contributions in this thread have been more helpful, thorough, and/or relevant to the OP's needs than mine have, then quite frankly, you're nuts.

I've been complimentary of your builds. They're good. Did I ever say that your builds were inferior, or are you just failing to read again, as you originally failed to read the OP's requirements?
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January 21, 2013 3:05:26 AM

oh really?

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January 21, 2013 3:09:23 AM

Why bother arguing?
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January 21, 2013 3:11:18 AM

iceclock said:
bottom line u suggested illegal maneuvers such as torrenting, thats already illegal, just suggesting it is illegal,


Oh really? Your reading fails you again. The OP asked about illegal torrenting. I told him I couldn't suggest it.

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also insulting me isnt very bright, and will serve no purpose to help the op.


I didn't insult you until you started acting like this thread was some sort of build-suggestion pissing context with zero provocation from me. If you truly do read and comprehend english, I suggest you read back and re-evaluate the tone of the conversation. If you honestly believe I provoked you, then you're imagining things.

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also the fact is u went over budget.


See previous post, RE Windows Pro versus Windows Home Premium. With Windows Home Premium, my build is the same price as yours. But you'd realize that if you'd read the thread.

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so best to stay silent than to make a display of power.


Physician, heal thyself.

Oh, and don't "bottom line" anything if you can't be bothered to read first.
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January 21, 2013 3:15:11 AM

manofchalk said:
Why bother arguing?


You're right. Arguing with someone who has such obvious difficulty with the language is a waste of time.

Accusing me of advocating illegal activities is beyond the pale, though, iceclock. Learn to read.
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January 21, 2013 3:19:47 AM

moving on to more important things.

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January 21, 2013 3:21:00 AM

iceclock said:
moving on to more important things.


A remedial course in reading comprehension sounds like a grand idea.

You've got the stealth-editing thing down, though. No need to work on that!
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January 21, 2013 3:28:42 AM

no i just edited because i felt like it, and dint need to be still posted.

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