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January 21, 2013 10:35:14 PM

I am thinking about building a new desktop, and I need help on choosing a motherboard. I want a motherboard that can support 16 gb ram, intel i7-3770k, and an nvidia geforce gtx 680. Also, what wattage would the power supply be? I have decided on a Corsair Veangance 750 watt, is that good? Also is this HDD good
--->Samsung Desktop Class Spinpoint F3 1 TB SATA 3.0 Gb-s 32 MB Cache 3.5-Inch Internal Bare-OEM Drives, HD103SJ<---
I am also getting a cooling fan with it but I don't have questions about that.
All of this will be put into a Cooler Master Storm Scout. Will it fit everything? I'm sorry about all of these questions but this is my first build and I am very young (Lets say I have quite some time before I get a drivers lisense) so it's all very confusing. Everything that I am going to buy (including a gaming mouse and keyboard no monitor for now because I already have a fairly decent one and I don't to spend more on things i dont really need. I'm trying to get the best graphics to run games like Crysis 3, gta 5, Rome 2, etc for as little a cost I can. HELP!

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January 21, 2013 10:56:51 PM

Are you sure you can afford that? That kind of build is, well let's just see how much that will cost
GTX 680: 490$
I7 3770k: 310$
PSU: 110$
motherboard: 105$
Internal drive: 60$
Case:60$
Windows 7 OEM: 90$
Building a PC is not hard the hard part is choosing parts I'm 13 and I built my own (Which I am using now) and the first thing I learned is budget.
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January 21, 2013 11:00:35 PM

What is this desktop for?

If it's for gaming, you're wasting a whole lot of money. You can save many hundreds by buying an i5-3570k, 8GB of ram, and a 670.

The only difference between the i5 and the i7 is that the i7 has hyperthreading, which games don't use.

With Battlefield 3, Photoshop, AND 50 tabs in Chrome, you won't use more than 8GB. There's no point in buying 16GB.

The 680 is about 5% faster than the 670, which goes down to about 3% after overclocking. That's not worth $100, especially when BOTH cards will max out any game out there with relative ease.
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January 21, 2013 11:04:30 PM

Palidrome said:
Are you sure you can afford that? That kind of build is, well let's just see how much that will cost
GTX 680: 490$
I7 3770k: 310$
PSU: 110$
motherboard: 105$
Internal drive: 60$
Case:60$
Windows 7 OEM: 90$
Building a PC is not hard the hard part is choosing parts I'm 13 and I built my own (Which I am using now) and the first thing I learned is budget.

Psst im just a year under you shhh lol
Yes i know finding the parts is whats difficult. I know that it amounts to about 1400 dollars, but I think raising the money will be half the fun.
By the way I already have windows 7, so thankfully that is out of the total price. I still would like to find a motherboard that is compatible with the i7 processor i stated above and the other components i plan to buy. The ram i have in mind is two 8 gb sticks of corsair ram, but that can change it doesn't really matter.
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January 21, 2013 11:07:57 PM

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ySc7
Mouse and Keyboard up to you. I got a 7970 because right now they are the fastest on the planet, and it's cheaper than a GTX 680. But if you need the CUDA cores get a GTX 680 Lightining. What is your budget and usage for the system?
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January 21, 2013 11:08:03 PM

DarkSable said:
What is this desktop for?

If it's for gaming, you're wasting a whole lot of money. You can save many hundreds by buying an i5-3570k, 8GB of ram, and a 670.

The only difference between the i5 and the i7 is that the i7 has hyperthreading, which games don't use.

With Battlefield 3, Photoshop, AND 50 tabs in Chrome, you won't use more than 8GB. There's no point in buying 16GB.

The 680 is about 5% faster than the 670, which goes down to about 3% after overclocking. That's not worth $100, especially when BOTH cards will max out any game out there with relative ease.


I agree with everything, but i plan on playing crysis 3 on max and the high requirements include an intel i7.
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January 21, 2013 11:08:13 PM

Wait WTF I have a friend the same age as you who is building a PC using the same amount of money huh....
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January 21, 2013 11:10:13 PM

completelyrandomname said:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ySc7
Mouse and Keyboard up to you. I got a 7970 because right now they are the fastest on the planet, and it's cheaper than a GTX 680. But if you need the CUDA cores get a GTX 680 Lightining. What is your budget and usage for the system?


I went with the nvidia card because I hear that they are better quality than the AMDs, but im not sure. That is why you guys are here helping.
My budget is under 1450, but i would LOVE to go under 1000.
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January 21, 2013 11:12:09 PM

Palidrome said:
Wait WTF I have a friend the same age as you who is building a PC using the same amount of money huh....


I never told any of my friends im building a new pc so i dont know you :pt1cable:  <-- i like this smilie.
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January 21, 2013 11:12:16 PM

Sorry i didn't refresh therefore I did not see the newer posts. Yay OS is out of the way. The motherboard is a VERY popular motherboard for the price, the ASrock Z77 Extreme4. Compatible and everythign. Keep the ram you already have, but what speeds are they? Like previously mentioned, do you really need an i7? Only get it if you're doing lots of video editing and photo stuff otherwise the 3570K is perfect for gaming. Stepping down from the GTX 680 to a GTX 670 or even a 7950 will still allow you to max out (1920x1080 ultra) most games.
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January 21, 2013 11:14:48 PM

completelyrandomname said:
Sorry i didn't refresh therefore I did not see the newer posts. Yay OS is out of the way. The motherboard is a VERY popular motherboard for the price, the ASrock Z77 Extreme4. Compatible and everythign. Keep the ram you already have, but what speeds are they? Like previously mentioned, do you really need an i7? Only get it if you're doing lots of video editing and photo stuff otherwise the 3570K is perfect for gaming. Stepping down from the GTX 680 to a GTX 670 or even a 7950 will still allow you to max out (1920x1080 ultra) most games.

darksable told me similar things.
I will be playing games like crysis 3 and i produce music on fl studio. darksable suggested an i5. What do you think?
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January 21, 2013 11:15:59 PM

Okay I just refreshed AGAIN, and turns out it's only for gaming, correct me if I'm wrong. Grab an i5 3570K, the Z77 Extreme4, and a 7950/GTX 670. Those will suit you well. As far as "build quality" goes, you can't just judge a card based on the company. AMD and Nvidia make fantastic cards. Both companies have good AND bad board partners.
EDIT: don't know much about music, I assume the i5 would be more than enough
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January 21, 2013 11:17:52 PM

Why not save money on a Nividia GTX 660Ti or AMD 7870, wait you could afford TWO OF THOSE! But in my real opinion from the build I did a single GTX 650 Ti is good money saver.
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January 21, 2013 11:17:53 PM

completelyrandomname said:
Okay I just refreshed AGAIN, and turns out it's only for gaming, correct me if I'm wrong. Grab an i5 3570K, the Z77 Extreme4, and a 7950/GTX 670. Those will suit you well. As far as "build quality" goes, you can't just judge a card based on the company. AMD and Nvidia make fantastic cards. Both companies have good AND bad board partners.
EDIT: don't know much about music, I assume the i5 would be more than enough

I don't know my father leans toward intel and nvidia and that rubbed off on me.
Thank you for the suggestions that will probably kill off 100 bucks from the final price.
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January 21, 2013 11:19:44 PM

Palidrome said:
Why not save money on a Nividia GTX 660Ti or AMD 7870, wait you could afford TWO OF THOSE! But in my real opinion from the build I did a single GTX 650 Ti is good money saver.

The 7870 is almost half the price of the 680 goodness thank you you and the guy with the batman pic!
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January 21, 2013 11:20:22 PM

but then the other question: what company should i buy the 7870 from?
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January 21, 2013 11:22:20 PM

The 7870 won't get the greatest framerates in Crysis and other demanding games. But it should still be fairly decent. Back to the 7870, get anything from MSI, ASUS, or Gigabyte. Personally I would get whatever is cheaper.
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January 21, 2013 11:22:50 PM

Palidrome said:
ASUS!!!

Its 400 bucks from asus and only 250 from gigabyte and MSI.
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January 21, 2013 11:24:33 PM

completelyrandomname said:
The 7870 won't get the greatest framerates in Crysis and other demanding games. But it should still be fairly decent. Back to the 7870, get anything from MSI, ASUS, or Gigabyte. Personally I would get whatever is cheaper.

With the rig you suggested, what setting would i be playing it as?
Another thing, would 16 gbs ram effect music production?
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January 21, 2013 11:25:49 PM

In case you are considering the 7950 get it over the 660ti. The 660ti is limited by a 192 bit memory interface. The 7950 is a 256bit memory face. The 7950 is also 3gb compared to the 660ti which is 2gb.
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January 21, 2013 11:27:47 PM

completelyrandomname said:
In case you are considering the 7950 get it over the 660ti. The 660ti is limited by a 192 bit memory interface. The 7950 is a 256bit memory face. The 7950 is also 3gb compared to the 660ti which is 2gb.

7950, the mb you suggested, but a question about ram.
Would 8 gbs ram limit my music production cababilities or is 16 overkill for that too?
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January 21, 2013 11:29:03 PM

completelyrandomname said:
that's the 7850

Your right sorry!
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January 21, 2013 11:35:55 PM

completelyrandomname said:
that's the 7850

refresh batman!
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January 21, 2013 11:38:25 PM

Palidrome said:
WTF again only ordering from amazon, favorite brands Nividia, and Intel you really, really sound like my friend. You said your looking for a Coolermaster case what about this one (On amazon): http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-HAF-912-RC-912-KKN1...

Ehh... I liked it a lot, but then i read the best negative review. It said how good it was but the it got wobbly after 6 months. I dont know, it's still a nominee for being the case.
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January 21, 2013 11:43:06 PM

Dude 80% of the reviews give it 5 stars, 18% of it 4, 1% 2, 1% 1 that is the best rating I have seen of a product on amazon..
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January 21, 2013 11:44:10 PM

toastybatch565 said:
7950, the mb you suggested, but a question about ram.
Would 8 gbs ram limit my music production cababilities or is 16 overkill for that too?

Overkill for music 8 gigabytes is more than enough.
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January 21, 2013 11:48:19 PM

Palidrome said:
Overkill for music 8 gigabytes is more than enough is more than

Im going with the case you gave me, and i will go with 8gbs ram. Thanks. I am getting a monitor with it too because you guys helped so much and the one i have currently is only like 1240x1020 or something like that. Another question. Should i go with i5 or i7? Will the 750 Watt powersupply (Corsair CX750 Builder Series ATX 80 PLUS Bronze Certified Power Supply 750 watt) be enough to power everything whether its i5 or i7?
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January 21, 2013 11:59:46 PM

Let's just say that system could run on 450 watts, 600 watts if your doing crossfireX which combines two of them into a single OP graphics card. 750 for 3-way crossfire THAT IS WAY OVERKILL.
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January 22, 2013 12:03:22 AM

Palidrome said:
Let's just say that system could run on 450 watts, 600 watts if your doing crossfireX which combines two of them into a single OP graphics card. 750 for 3-way crossfire THAT IS WAY OVERKILL.

Are you sure? How could such a high power graphics card be able to run on that power supply? I know the gtx680 required 550 watts minimum. Does the power supply only affect the graphics card?? that is why i chose such a large power supply.
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January 22, 2013 12:04:23 AM

toastybatch565 said:
Are you sure? How could such a high power graphics card be able to run on that power supply? I know the gtx680 required 550 watts minimum. Does the power supply only affect the graphics card?? that is why i chose such a large power supply.

No it doesn't only if your overclocking.
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January 22, 2013 12:13:40 AM

Palidrome said:
No it doesn't only if your overclocking.

what should i get for HDD? I was thinking Samsung Desktop Class Spinpoint F3 1 TB SATA 3.0 Gb-s 32 MB Cache 3.5-Inch Internal Bare-OEM Drives, HD103SJ, but i hear good things about some product with caviar in its name.
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January 22, 2013 12:36:58 AM

Western Digital and Seagate are among the largest HDD makers. Since performance would be very un-noticeable, just get whatever is cheap, in this case the Seagate Barracuda. Nice graphics card selection. That can run FINE on a good 500W unit. The PSU you have is fairly good and I wouldn't replace it. That HAF case is by far one of the best budget oriented cases on the market right now. Airflow and a modern feature set are what makes it great. I have read that the i7 is a BIT better than the i5 for music production but again, I would just get an it 3570K with the ASrock Z77 Extreme4 and with the $100 saved grab an SSD like the Samsung 840 120gb.
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January 22, 2013 12:43:54 AM

Another reason to get the HAF 912 is the build quality. It has amazing build quality for the price it comes in at, very sturdy. In fact I was going to get one myself but my local computer store was out of stock (noooo). HAF, High Air Flow. The HAF series cases are designed with airflow in mind that is why there are so many fan options such as dual 120s in the front or a single 200, same for the top. 120/140 side and a 120 rear. Lastly functionality. It has a lot of HDD spaces and even SSD mounts. It has lots of cable routing cutouts and tie down spots. Everything is well though out in that case.
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January 22, 2013 12:47:03 AM

Palidrome said:
Let's just say that system could run on 450 watts, 600 watts if your doing crossfireX which combines two of them into a single OP graphics card. 750 for 3-way crossfire THAT IS WAY OVERKILL.

You should still take into consideration that a PSU is only efficient to a certain extent. Usually around 40-60 load. so with 750 and lets say his system uses around 3-400W under load, so it should be around the 40-50% mark meaning it will always be most efficient. Even if the OP wanted to do CFX, he can still do it and he would still have enough headroom for it.
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January 22, 2013 12:47:36 AM

completelyrandomname said:
Western Digital and Seagate are among the largest HDD makers. Since performance would be very un-noticeable, just get whatever is cheap, in this case the Seagate Barracuda. Nice graphics card selection. That can run FINE on a good 500W unit. The PSU you have is fairly good and I wouldn't replace it. That HAF case is by far one of the best budget oriented cases on the market right now. Airflow and a modern feature set are what makes it great. I have read that the i7 is a BIT better than the i5 for music production but again, I would just get an it 3570K with the ASrock Z77 Extreme4 and with the $100 saved grab an SSD like the Samsung 840 120gb.


Thank you so much both you and the other guy. You saved me loads. BUT! why would i need ssd?
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January 22, 2013 12:50:37 AM

It depends, you may want an SSD for the faster loading times for everything. It will make your computer boot up in roughly around 10 seconds, load photoshop faster, and generally a more snappier system experience. If you don't care about loading times then don't get one. An SSD is faster and will always be faster than mechanical hard drives.
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January 22, 2013 1:06:51 AM

completelyrandomname said:
It depends, you may want an SSD for the faster loading times for everything. It will make your computer boot up in roughly around 10 seconds, load photoshop faster, and generally a more snappier system experience. If you don't care about loading times then don't get one. An SSD is faster and will always be faster than mechanical hard drives.

mmm im interested. goodbye for now i must go. i will give result 2morow.
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January 22, 2013 11:04:13 PM

This is what I am thinking about getting.

Case-
Cooler Master HAF 912 - Mid Tower Computer Case with High Airflow Design (RC-912-KKN1)
$60
Processor-
Intel Core i5-3570K Quad-Core Processor 3.4 GHz 4 Core LGA 1155 - BX80637I53570K
$224
Graphics Card-
Gigabyte AMD Radeon HD 7870 2 GB GDDR5 DVI-I/HDMI/2x Mini-Displayport PCI-Express 3.0 Graphic Card GV-R787OC-2GD
$250
RAM-
Corsair Vengeance 8 GB ( 2 x 4 GB ) DDR3 1600 MHz (PC3 12800) 240-Pin DDR3 Memory Kit for Core i3, i5, i7 and Platforms SDRAM CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9
$48

Power Supply-
Corsair CX750 Builder Series ATX 80 PLUS Bronze Certified Power Supply 750 watt
$100

HDD-
Seagate Barracuda 7200 1 TB 7200RPM SATA 6 Gb/s NCQ 64MB Cache 3.5-Inch Internal Bare Drive ST1000DM003
$79
Keyboard-
Logitech Gaming Keyboard G110
$65
Mouse-
Razer Deathadder Infrared Gaming Mouse (RZ01-00151400-R3)
$44
Motherboard-
AS Rock LGA1155 DDR3 SATA3 USB3.0 Quad CrossFireX and Quad SLI A GbE ATX Motherboard Z77 EXTREME4
$135
Cooling fan-
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus - CPU Cooler with 4 Direct Contact Heat Pipes (RR-B10-212P-G1)
$31


Monitor-
Asus VE228H 21.5-Inch Full-HD LED Monitor with Integrated Speakers (i already have really nice speakers so i will be using those not the sucky speakers on this thing.)
$135
Total= $1171
May add an ssd later on but for now ill stick with just the HDD. Also might do CFX later on. Thank you all for the help. You saved me 300 dollars. If there are any other ideas, please add them. I will not be closing my thread until activity dies down.
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January 22, 2013 11:07:10 PM

Best answer selected by toastybatch565.
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January 23, 2013 12:38:33 AM

About the CPU cooler, grab a Hyper 212 Evo instead, it's a newer version. For the same price (at least where I live it is) you can get a Cooler Master Quickfire MECHANICAL keyboard. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It's what I'm using right now and I love it, plus it comes with a soft touch finish and replacement rubber wasd keys for more grip.
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January 31, 2013 12:04:23 AM

completelyrandomname said:
About the CPU cooler, grab a Hyper 212 Evo instead, it's a newer version. For the same price (at least where I live it is) you can get a Cooler Master Quickfire MECHANICAL keyboard. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It's what I'm using right now and I love it, plus it comes with a soft touch finish and replacement rubber wasd keys for more grip.

Thank you very much, you have helped a lot. :D 
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January 31, 2013 12:44:34 AM

No problem, glad I could help. It was fun :D 

Good day.
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