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January 22, 2013 12:40:52 PM

So I posted a thread the other day with the same title and we were having some great discussion and some people left a lot of helpful links that I was using to learn everything I need to know before I actually make my purchase. So I wake up this morning to go continue my little learning adventure and my thread is gone! Can anyone explain to me what happened?? Anyways, it turns out that I live near a microcenter (never even heard of such a store before a couple days ago) and someone was saying that you save even more money if you buy the bundle with the i5 3570k and the AsRock z77 Extreme4 MOBO. The problem is that on the website ( www.microcenter.com ) I only see bundles for AMD CPU's. Could someone point me in the right direction? Also I would like some further opinions on my descisions so far because you guys have been so incredibly helpful.

I want to play skyrim on max settings (don't care if I have to turn the shadows down a tad bit) with some mods (i.e. 2k texture mods, realistic lighting, enhanced distant terrain, lush trees, and lush grass) I plan on overclocking my graphics card to a core clock of 1100Mhz and the memory to 1575Mhz. Here is my complete list of components so far. Feel free to chime in and tell me if you notice anything bottlenecking or just have an opinion of something else I should get I am open to anything. Thanks guys! -Josh

CPU Intel Core i5 3570k $190 @ microcenter
http://microcenter.com/product/388577/Core_i5_3570K_34G...

GPU MSI Twin Frozr Radeon HD 7950 $205 after rebate @ newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM G. Skill Ripjaws X Series (2 x 4GB) $55 @ newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MOBO AsRock z77 Extreme4 $125 after rebate @ microcenter
http://microcenter.com/product/387554/Z77_Extreme4_LGA_...

SSD Sandisk Extreme SDSS DX-120G-G25 120Gb $100 @ microcenter
http://microcenter.com/product/382699/Extreme_SDSSDX-12...

HDD HGST Deskstar 32Mb Cache 500Gb $57 @ microcenter
http://microcenter.com/product/375256/Deskstar_7K1000D_...

PSU Seasonic S12II Bronze 620 Watt Modular Power Supply $79 @ newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU Cooler Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus $27 @ amazon
http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Hyper-Plus-RR-B10-2...

Case Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower $50 after rebate @ newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Well, thats it. All the important stuff. Does it look good? I'm going to put over 1000 hours into Skyrim so that is whats most important to me. I am also going to play a little Mass Effect 3 and Far Cry 3. Opinions? Know where I can find any of this stuff even cheaper?? Any comments are welcome. Thanks guys!

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January 22, 2013 12:54:59 PM

There it is.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/381020-31-first-time-...
Click on your name , this will lead you to your public page, middle leftish of the screen is the option to look through all the posts and threads you'v made.

My changes to that build. Overall its fairly good, just small little tweaks.

- The RAM is 4x2GB and more expensive than it needs to be, as well is medium profile so it could cause issues with large coolers.
Heres a cheaper 2x4GB kit thats low profile.
G.Skill Ares 8GB (2x4GB) 1600Mhz CL9 1.5v. $48
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

- I dont like the HAF-912 that much, despite the fact I love the HAF aesthetic. I think its a bit too bare on features compared to other cases at its price point. This is a better case IMO.
Zalman Z9+. $65 ($10 rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

- You want the 212 EVO, not 212+. Has a smoother baseplate with wider direct contact heatpipes, as well as a better fan.
Coolermaster Hyper 212 EVO. $30 ($5 rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

- For $15 more you can get double the capacity on that HDD, as well as being slightly faster.
Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200RPM. $70
http://microcenter.com/product/399210/Barracuda_1TB_SAT...
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January 22, 2013 1:30:13 PM

Thanks for the advice guys! I thought the sandisk extreme was better than the Samsung 830 Series? Totally correct me if Im wrong I don't know what makes an SSD better than another. The only thing that is lower than the Samsung is the 4k random read and that is 7,000 IOPS slower. Everything else is faster on the Sandisk. Is that a deal breaker? I believe Sandisk is one of the only companies that still make their drives themselves and they have a really good track record. Not that Samsung isn't good, I love both companies but I have always felt safer buying Sandisk products. Prove me wrong! (:Tell me why the Samsung is better. Thanks!

Sandisk:
Read Speed: Up to 550MBps
Write Speed: Up to 510MBps
Average Seek Time: < .10 ms
4KB Random Read: Up to 23,000 IOPS
4KB Random Write: Up to 83,000 IOPS

Samsung:
ReadUp to 520 MB/s
WriteUp to 320 MB/s
4KB Random Read Up to 80,000 IOPS
4KB Random Write Up to 30,000 IOPS


January 22, 2013 1:39:44 PM

Oh crap! I mixed up the random write and random read when I was reading that. So the samsung has a much higher random read while the sandisk has a higher read spead. Does the 4k random read affect load times in games? Or is it the read speed that affects load times in games? I'm confused!!!
January 22, 2013 2:32:52 PM

damn I thought I had this whole SSD thiing figured out and now I'm confused haha
January 22, 2013 2:47:49 PM

Also I am going to be using windows 7. Is the 3570k a 32bit or 64bit processor? I need to know for when I install windows 7. Thanks!
January 22, 2013 10:27:41 PM

ravagetheearth said:
Also I am going to be using windows 7. Is the 3570k a 32bit or 64bit processor? I need to know for when I install windows 7. Thanks!


What OS you use is actually determined by how much RAM you have in your system. The 3570K still runs on x86 architecture - it's not a true dedicated x64 CPU. If you use 4GB or less then you load 32-bit Windows. If you use 8GB or more then you run 64 bit Windows.
January 22, 2013 10:46:49 PM

whats ur max budget and do u live close to microcenter, and do u need os+monitor+key+mouse?

January 23, 2013 12:44:22 AM

My max budget is $1000, but I would be willing to go a little over if it means I can play Skryim on max settings with some texture mods for countless hours. I actually live very close to a microcenter (just learned that the other day). I don't need the OS I have windows 7 Ultimate sitting on my table just dying to be installed. I do need a keyboard and mouse, but they don't have to be that great for the time being, just something that works. I also still need help figuring out this whole SSD dilema that I'm having. The SSD will just help with loading and that's all, correct? It won't affect actual gameplay?
January 23, 2013 12:47:41 AM

An SSD wont give your more FPS or otherwise gaming performance, but it will make anything on it load a lot faster.
So the OS, any programs or games on it will boot/load a ton faster. May be worth having Skyrim on the SSD, constant loading screens in that game.
January 23, 2013 1:01:39 AM

kan go spam somewhere else seriously.

guys dont click the link might be a phising link.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/z44Q
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/z44Q/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/z44Q/benchmarks/

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z68XP-UD3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($110.55 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($35.57 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Mushkin Chronos 60GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($289.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Thermaltake Commander MS-I ID ATX Mid Tower Case ($47.42 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ Outlet PC)
Other: 3770k on special 230$ ($230.00)
Total: $969.47
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-22 22:01 EST-0500)


Base Total: $1001.91
Mail-in Rebates: -$40.00
Shipping: $7.56
Total: $969.47

im shur 2$ wont break the bank :D 

January 23, 2013 1:05:34 AM

^ Your right, but the $200 for a CPU will though :D 

EDIT: and a Z68 board?
January 23, 2013 1:10:07 AM

I'm pretty set on the core i5 3570k with the AsRock z77 Extreme4. I have done extensive research and I feel like that would be perfect. If you are thinking that it is a bad choice please give your opinion and why. I am really open to anything. Also, I really want the MSI Twin Frozr 7950 as I will be OC'ing it after I know that my system is stable. I'm not going to destroy the thing with an extreme OC, just turn it up and run Furmark and rinse and repeat(:
January 23, 2013 1:23:24 AM

ok, but the rig i made u is just as good. with the video+mobo+cpu costing u more for no performance increase.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/z4n0
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/z4n0/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/z4n0/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($124.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($35.57 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Mushkin Chronos 60GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($310.48 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Thermaltake Commander MS-I ID ATX Mid Tower Case ($47.42 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ Outlet PC)
Other: 3770k on special 230$ ($230.00)
Total: $1194.39
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-22 22:21 EST-0500)

Base Total: $1261.20
Mail-in Rebates: -$40.00
Shipping: $6.99
Total: $1228.19

the one before had a 3770k. unlocked processor with 4cores+4ht cores. for less. and just as good motherboard, with has full sli and crossfire support. also z68 is fine z77 doesnt bring much except ssd caching.

January 23, 2013 1:31:27 AM

hmm maybe I will go with the 3770k and stay with the Asrock MOBO. Will the 3770k make that much difference in gaming? Especially with Skyrim? I do hear that Skyrim is pretty CPU intensive.
January 23, 2013 1:33:37 AM

yes, and its the same price, why would u pay 9$ less for 4software cores less?

and in the longrun games might take advantage of ht and will benefit u,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper-threading

it does help like somethimes 10-15% boost.

depending on app.

January 23, 2013 1:34:11 AM

wok. but still costing more than with the gigabyte i chose tho.

January 23, 2013 2:04:46 AM

I think I'm all set with the gigabyte MOBO. Thanks though. You have been a lot of help. Saved me some hassle in the future haha.
January 23, 2013 2:07:55 AM

no problem anytime dude :)  feel free to msg me anytime.

January 23, 2013 2:19:33 AM

iceclock said:
no problem anytime dude :)  feel free to msg me anytime.


Thank you! I appreciate it and I will probably take you up on that offer!!
January 23, 2013 2:49:25 AM

sounds good :) 

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