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January 23, 2013 1:20:52 AM

Hey all. Keep in mind that I've read a lot of reviews and threads here and everyone of them lists different price from where I live which is in Greece. I've cleared my mind about the proccessor which is gonna be the i5-2500K at 213 € (same price as the other and has overclock potential from what I'm reading). As for the rest I was thinking of Thermaltake V4 Black Edition which costs around 55 € here. I am in a dilemma betwenn nvidia and ati as for graphics card and really can't decide which is the main reason I made this thread.Also keep in mind that there's gonna be 1 SSD and 1 HDD , both of which I don't have in my possession. One thing that's unclear to me is if I should keep games in the SSD or in the HDD in regards to faster loading times.

Approximate Purchase Date: the closer the better

Budget Range: ~800 €

System Usage from Most to Least Important: gaming, surfing the internet, watching movies, some casual programming , etc

Are you buying a monitor: Yes, but I'm not putting it in budget range as it's a bit unclear yet.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: skroutz.gr (if you can withstand greek - still easy to work with , type the part click Αναζήτηση which means search and see if it's available here)

Location: City, State/Region, Country - Greece

Overclocking: Not in the close future.

SLI or Crossfire: No

Your Monitor Resolution: 22"-24"

Additional Comments: League of legends,Path of exile , Diablo 2 (hehe) , generally RPGs(online or not) and I would like to try some newer heavier single player games

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: Laptop 4-5 years old , had overheat problem , changed from nvidia geforce 8600 (overheated) to ati radeon hd 3400 series and another motherboard while in the last month of the warranty 1.5 year ago and it's starting to be unresponsive,slower,unable to play in certain circumstances etc.

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January 23, 2013 2:12:14 AM

can u point me to a website ull use to order ur stuff. that would help

January 23, 2013 10:37:20 AM

iceclock said:
can u point me to a website ull use to order ur stuff. that would help


Well there are 3 sites I could buy from. One is skroutz.gr which has every greek store and there are 2 big companies e-shop.gr and
plaisio.gr
but they are all in greek...plus if there's a huge international company with good prices , good service and worthy of looking to buy from feel free to suggest it.
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January 23, 2013 1:19:31 PM
January 23, 2013 6:05:33 PM

hmm those seem to be good choices as far as I know and the cpu is the same I've decided. though I have a certain store only here in my town and I might order everything from there so make that 213 € just in case...as for the HDD you can check here cause this site has some discounts atm and I will probably get it from there. I'm good with 1 TB (more just seems redundant for me) but I don't know which of them is better (link : HDD...
As for gpu I was thinking to get one of those since they have a good performance/price ratio...

Tomshw rating / GPU / Price (in euro) / Benchmark from videobenchmark.net
5 Sapphire Radeon HD7870 2GB GHz Edition Dual-X 215,11 4,023
6 Sapphire Radeon HD7850 1GB Dual-X 172,2 3,63
6 Gigabyte GeForce GTX660 2GB OC 218,45 4,026
7 Asus GeForce GTX560 Ti 2GB DirectCU II Top 237,87 3,461
8 Club3D GeForce GTX560 1.56GB SE 155,31 3,039
8 Gainward GeForce GTX650 Ti 1GB "Golden Sample" 142 2,715
8 MSI VGA R5850 TWIN FROZR II, GDDR5, 256BIT 246,3 2,237
8 XFX Radeon HD6870 1GB 152,76 2,524
9 SAPPHIRE VGA PCI-E ATI HD6850 163 2,189
9 MSI Radeon HD7770 1GB 114,91 2,125

Motherboard must have the Z77 chipset for gaming and nothing else right?
CPU Cooler is a necessity with this cpu?
January 23, 2013 6:07:08 PM

6 Gigabyte GeForce GTX660 2GB OC 218

seems like the right choice, no, but its good and overclocks good, cpucooler is for overclocking.

also got u a sli-crossfire if u ever wanna add a second 660

January 23, 2013 6:12:40 PM

iceclock said:
6 Gigabyte GeForce GTX660 2GB OC 218

seems like the right choice, no, but its good and overclocks good, cpucooler is for overclocking.

also got u a sli-crossfire if u ever wanna add a second 660

I was thinking either this or the 7870 (my budget isn't at 800 just this is the average - meaning if I can get a better part for a small price I'm cool with it and the gpu is something that needs to be good for many years)
OC isn't in my options for now but if I can do it (even if I have no idea about it yet) to push the parts after 2-3 years I might consider it.
if the last part is a question then I don't have a sli/xfire, and if you mean that I could get it to get another 660 yes I might consider that too.

can you answer those :
Motherboard must have the Z77 chipset for gaming and nothing else right?
CPU Cooler is a necessity with this cpu?
and take a look of the HDD link I gave you?
Thanks in advance for all the trouble I've made :D 
January 23, 2013 6:14:38 PM

u can get cheaper, but are u gonna be using sli or crossfire in the future?

January 23, 2013 6:16:50 PM

don't think I will need it for a long time, do I?
January 23, 2013 6:21:00 PM

well asking if ur planning on sliing. if not i can cut cost with a nonsli mobo.

January 23, 2013 6:29:57 PM

iceclock said:
well asking if ur planning on sliing. if not i can cut cost with a nonsli mobo.

oh ok I didn't understand that but I think I won't need a sli mobo

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January 23, 2013 6:31:09 PM
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January 23, 2013 6:35:34 PM
January 23, 2013 6:40:37 PM

Gigabyte GeForce GTX660 2GB OC
didn't you say this card is the better from what I posted before or did I missread something?
January 23, 2013 6:46:56 PM
January 23, 2013 7:04:28 PM

Case
I've made my mind with the case so don't bother posting one :) 
Is this core really better than the 2500K with lower cost? :o 
January 23, 2013 7:05:25 PM

well its newer architecture, so its gonna be faster, and u can get ur case :) 

January 23, 2013 7:20:21 PM

ok so let me recap now..
Case : 54.90
Motherboard : 74.46
CPU : 178.99 (I think it's the same one and almost same price)
RAM : 41.81
HDD : 66.90
SSD : 87
DVD-RW : 14.50
PSU : 76.22 (will check for another 600W in another site to see if I can get a cheaper)
GPU : 218.45 (put the OC one , 3 euros difference and the ability to OC which might come in handy)

Total : 813.23 and will still do some local research considering the Mobo,RAM,SSD,HDD,PSU, to see if I can get the same or nearly the same with a lower price and to find a cooler for the GPU
January 23, 2013 7:59:24 PM

looks good dude :) 

January 23, 2013 8:13:39 PM

no.

January 23, 2013 10:55:49 PM

ok just some final help :)  Can you check those links and recommend me something close to what you posted (and if you can't find something point me to a better one if possible) ?
DVD-RW : http://www.e-shop.gr/search_per.phtml?category=%CF%D0%D... (I think the LG one at 19€ is ok right?)
PSU : http://www.e-shop.gr/search_per.phtml?category=%D4%D1%C...
RAM : http://www.e-shop.gr/search_per.phtml?category=%CC%CD%C...
SSD : http://www.e-shop.gr/search_per.phtml?category=%D3%CA%C...
and about the cpu would you recommend 3470 or 3570k ?
January 23, 2013 11:16:49 PM

the links i got u works fine.

fixed them :) 

3470 if ur not overclocking.

January 23, 2013 11:20:37 PM

Yeh my problem is that skroutz.gr is like a greek-multistore site whereas I will probably order everything from e-shop.So I will send them an e-mail to ask if they have the specific parts (the links you posted from skroutz.gr) but want to have a 2nd option in case they don't. Unfortunately the closest stores except from e-shop are like 2 hours drive from here...
Plus there's no issue with compatibility between those right?
January 23, 2013 11:39:19 PM

well u told me to use skroutz lol,

wish u told me before.

January 23, 2013 11:45:16 PM

iceclock said:
well u told me to use skroutz lol,

wish u told me before.

ye I intended to find them myself but for some reason this site keeps not having the big stores...let it be for now...I will ask via e-mail and see if they can order the parts at the same price.
if not well I will ask you nicely :) 
January 24, 2013 12:02:34 AM
January 24, 2013 11:05:49 AM

wow...you're awesome though I only needed the links for RAM,PSU,DVD-RW,SSD but thanks a lot...
I'll definitely get the case,cpu,HDD and GPU from my post with the recap and try to find the 4 other parts from that post or get the ones you posted in the last
there's no compatibility issue between everything you posted right?

btw PSU 1 PSU 2 wouldn't one of those 2 be better than the seasonic one and the OCZ one you posted? they are cheaper than the seasonic and near the price of the OCZ
January 24, 2013 12:37:29 PM

took me an extra 20 minutes damn greek dont understand, had to read the site in greek so it gives me correct links.

yes seasonic is better.

but the antec one is quite good.

January 24, 2013 12:46:32 PM

which one is the antec? corsair,coolermaster or ocz? you suggest giving 30 euro more to get the seasonic compared to all of them in the end?
January 24, 2013 12:48:13 PM

link me to the psu.

January 24, 2013 12:55:28 PM

it doesnt but would help if u want better temps.

January 24, 2013 12:57:19 PM

iceclock said:
it doesnt but would help if u want better temps.

give me an example of the temps with and without cooler to understand it...don't want to run again in overheat problems
January 24, 2013 1:00:12 PM

for example, regular temps 35* celcius than load probably 65*celcius.

with cooler prob load 50 or less, and idle 28-34.

January 24, 2013 1:01:05 PM

and they start to overheat when they reach 90-100 celsius?
January 24, 2013 1:05:14 PM

at 90 u should worry, the bad temps are in the 78+ degrees celcius, u dont need a cooler per say but i like personally to keep temps as low as possible.

but its at ur discretion if u buy one or not.

January 24, 2013 1:12:36 PM

you can still add the cooler later let's say after 2 years of usage right? if yes I will do that probably if not I might add it from start
January 24, 2013 1:12:56 PM

yes, anytime u want.

January 24, 2013 1:30:56 PM

Case : Thermaltake v4 Black Edition 54.9
Motherboard : Asrock H77M 85.9
CPU : i5-3470 177.6
HDD : WD Caviar Blue 1TB 66.9
GPU : GTX660 2GB OC218.45
RAM : Corsair XMS341.81 or G.Skill Ripjaws X49.69
DVD : LG DVD-RW14.50 or Samsung DVD-RW 18.05
PSU : OCZ PSU76.22 or Seasonic PSU 106.90
SSD : G.skill SSD 87 or Mushkin SSD103.84

Total : 826.92 (skroutz) or 882.32 (e-shop)

ok so the difference is small, can afford both and I will definitely find the GTX660 OC version no matter what....now what would you suggest as for SSD,PSU,RAM from the 2 choices? Also since I will keeping only the OS and maybe 1-2 games if I feel the need to should I get a 64gb SSD or the 128 will prove of better use later on?
January 24, 2013 1:33:40 PM

what choices, link me

January 24, 2013 1:37:45 PM

iceclock said:
what choices, link me

if you see the post above I've added 2 choices one from skroutz and one from e-shop in RAM,PSU,SSD and dvd (but I don't care about the dvd much)...if I manage to find both parts in the same store which one should I get ?
January 24, 2013 1:52:52 PM

ok thanks iceclock :)  you've been very helpful.how can I raise your reputation?:D 
Also one last thing... I've heard that if you keep write+delete things in the SSD it's life expectancy goes down so should I keep games in the SSD or keep only the OS?
January 24, 2013 1:55:30 PM

u select best answer :) 

well ssds have trim usually enabled under win7, and u dont defrag ur ssd.

also they last a few years atleast or more. so dont worry.

ssd keep ur os and only a few favourite games, always keep at 80% full or less. than u will degrade performance.

January 24, 2013 2:00:11 PM

TRIM is the thing that makes the OS to delete the useless pieces in the SSD?
So I suppose getting a 64gb when OS uses 50% of it isn't an option...
how do I select best answer?:p 
January 24, 2013 2:02:05 PM

...I forgot...can you suggest me a good monitor 22-24" as well? hehe
price should be around 150 euros
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