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January 23, 2013 12:35:32 PM

Hey guys, I'm Andy, a long time lurker, first time poster. First off let me say I'm not new to building or working on computers, I currently have an 15 2500k oc'd at 4.5 (Of course right?) with 12 gb ram, 560ti, ect ect, I'm ready for an upgrade as that 560 is starting to trail behind. The mobo I'm rocking was a cheapo and I figured what the hell, might as well just start new. I have a build in mind, I'm at the stage that I know what components I want, I'm hoping you guys will share your vast collective knowledge about brands and maybe make some recommendations to get the price to absolutely as cheap as I can go. Here's my write up:

Approximate Purchase Date: 2-3 weeks

Budget Range: 1000-1200 (Cheaper is better, I'm a big believer that over 12-1500 cost/performance drops sharply)

System Usage from Most to Least Important: GAMES, Battlefield, Skyrim, All the new stuff, Arma 2 & 3...

Are you buying a monitor: no

Parts to Upgrade: All

Do you need to buy OS: No

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Whatever is cheap

Location: big rapids, Michigan

Parts Preferences: Best cost/performance

Overclocking: Yes

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe, In the future.

Your Monitor Resolution: 1080p, 42 inch tv.

Aaaaaaaaand here's my theoretical build:

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/z84N
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/z84N/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/z84N/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z77A-G45 Thunderbolt ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($152.86 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Intel Extreme Master, Limited Ed 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($46.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: OCZ Agility 3 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($100.98 @ Mwave)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($407.55 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB/RSBS DVD/CD Writer ($20.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1080.33
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-23 09:33 EST-0500)

That's not including a case, I'm stuck there...too many options (help!) Also I know nothing about SSD's, like....nothing. So I just picked a cheap one. If you guys could help me out there it would be awesome too. Any advice or tips are also appreciated.


Thank you!


-Andy

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January 23, 2013 12:52:47 PM

definitely good build, but some parts can be optimized

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($124.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($44.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 830 Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($112.98 @ Newegg)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($359.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB/RSBS DVD/CD Writer ($20.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1103.89
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-23 09:56 EST-0500)
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January 23, 2013 12:55:45 PM

- pick ideal mobo, not expensive one
- pick better/reliable SSD
- pick cheaper 7970 with the similar spec
- with so powerful i5 and 7970 and OCing, dont pick cheap cx series corsair. TX version is a must
- you can choose between tx650/750 they are 10 usd difference...
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January 23, 2013 12:57:45 PM

This would be Good.

Best SSD and a Good Brand Card, A Corsair 300R
And a Cheaper yet Very Good Mobo. ;) 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($124.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: Patriot Intel Extreme Master, Limited Ed 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($46.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($144.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Asus Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($411.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($67.41 @ Mac Connection)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB/RSBS DVD/CD Writer ($20.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1182.30
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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January 23, 2013 2:09:59 PM

Ok so I swapped to the Samsung 840 like you suggested Sumukh, and downgraded to the AsRock board, the only thing I worry about is that I heard there are some quality issues with that brand. Also I've had MSI boards before and love the bios, but I'm willing to give it a shot. I looked at that Asus gpu, it's been discontinued on newegg and has some pretty bad ratings. I dunno what's up with it, but something seems funky. What's wrong with the card I chose, if I may ask? I really have no idea the differences in manufacturers.


Edit: I went with the case that AMD Radeon suggested, the one you suggested is out of stock, and I like the aesthetics of the other one a bit more. (Thanks Radeon).


If I may be so bold to ask, what is the difference in the 830 series SSD, and the 840 Pro....I read some reviews and benchmarks but storage talk is all gobbly gook to me. Would they both be marked upgrades to a magnetic drive?
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January 23, 2013 2:31:13 PM

SSD 840 pro > 830 > 840 (usually avoided)
in quality and performance :) 

you asked for trim the price and 830 is the sweetspot
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January 23, 2013 3:44:15 PM

AMD Radeon said:
- pick ideal mobo, not expensive one
- pick better/reliable SSD
- pick cheaper 7970 with the similar spec
- with so powerful i5 and 7970 and OCing, dont pick cheap cx series corsair. TX version is a must
- you can choose between tx650/750 they are 10 usd difference...


7970 and 3570k heavily overclocked would be fine on a cx 500 let alone a 600.


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January 23, 2013 4:13:08 PM

you realy think the 229 bucks for an upgrade from i5-2500k to 15-3570k is worth it? you already have a 200 dollar cpu... recycle it... you will have NO noticeable change. just seems like a waste of 230 bucks to me...
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January 23, 2013 4:34:13 PM

Sorry I should have clarified, I'm selling the old rig to help pay for the new one. As a side note, do you guys think this is a good deal:

i5 2500k @ 4.5GhZ
560ti
12 gb pc 1333
3.5 tb hdd

All the data currently on it (Hundreds of movies games and tv shows)

$400 usd. That's what I'm getting rid of it for.
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January 23, 2013 5:35:10 PM

Good deal. You will have almost no problem selling it for that price.
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January 23, 2013 5:45:36 PM

I'd wait 6 months and get a new intel chip and motherboard since they are switching sockets AGAIN.
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January 23, 2013 5:54:30 PM

getochkn said:
I'd wait 6 months and get a new intel chip and motherboard since they are switching sockets AGAIN.


Haswell CPU lineup: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Intel-Haswell-Ivy-Brid...

They're exactly the same CPU numbers and clock speeds - the 22nm CPUs won't be anything really that new - since some are already in production currently. Then the 14nm CPUs will be out, then the 11nm CPUs, and so on.
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January 23, 2013 6:14:13 PM

getochkn said:
I'd wait 6 months and get a new intel chip and motherboard since they are switching sockets AGAIN.


exactly
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January 23, 2013 6:28:17 PM

I don't think I'll wait till June. Those chips honestly don't look all that interesting, not a big departure from what we have now and I'm sure it'll be another incremental increase like Ivybridge was to Sandybridge. Here's an updated look:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($124.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: Patriot Intel Extreme Master, Limited Ed 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($46.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($129.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($407.55 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB/RSBS DVD/CD Writer ($20.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1101.47
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-23 15:28 EST-0500)
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January 23, 2013 6:50:41 PM

Thoughts:

1. PSU. Newegg next 18 hours or so: Corsair TX 750 watt $59.99 With Promo Code: EMCYTZT2832. Specifically, "CORSAIR TX Series CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V v2.3 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply"

2. AMD or Guitaroo above are both great builds

3. If you can wait 6 months for the new intel chip - here's an idea. Put the new HD 7970 in your current build NOW and use it until then new chips / motherboards are out ... that's what I'd do in your position. The 3570k is the last of this motherboard type. I'd wait for then next mobo ...

Good Luck !!
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January 23, 2013 7:00:50 PM

can u list me all the parts u currently have. like that i can upgrade and let u keep the parts u need and avoid new expenses.

and what ud like to change thnxs

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January 23, 2013 7:09:45 PM

It's going to be a whole new build Ice, I just put my old build in for an example of what I've been running. The old pc is going bye bye. The newest iteration is in my last post.

Thanks for the tip Odie!
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January 23, 2013 8:12:25 PM

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/zbSA
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/zbSA/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/zbSA/benchmarks/

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($124.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($38.12 @ NCIX US)
Storage: OCZ Vertex 3 Series – MAX IOPS Edition 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($102.37 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($297.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Antec Eleven Hundred ATX Full Tower Case ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 850W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($24.98 @ Newegg)
Other: 3570k ($220.00)
Total: $1093.40
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-23 17:12 EST-0500)

Base Total: $1119.42
Mail-in Rebates: -$38.00
Shipping: $11.98
Total: $1093.40

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January 23, 2013 10:00:57 PM

sanilmahambre said:
Use watercooling buddy

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/zb1J


Why would you use a cheap plastic block over a strong air cooler? The general consensus on most low end Corsair liquid coolers isn't that good.

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I don't think I'll wait till June. Those chips honestly don't look all that interesting, not a big departure from what we have now and I'm sure it'll be another incremental increase like Ivybridge was to Sandybridge. Here's an updated look:


Yeah especially when you consider that most Ivy Bridge and SBE CPUs are already running off the 22nm process already - it's not going to be anything drastically different than what we have now.
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January 23, 2013 10:06:09 PM

haswell might get a 10-12% increase at best. thats an approxy, also, the corsair water setups that are worth it start at the h80 and up for anyone needing a water cooler, also the antec 920 h20 looks good as well, and theres a few other ones,

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January 24, 2013 3:24:57 AM

Ice I have a few things about that build. I see you downgraded to slower ram, a slower gpu, a TB less hdd space but added a beefy 850 watt psu and a cheaper ssd, do you have reasons for these changes or is this just an alternative build idea? For example is that ssd a better value? Just curious, thanks for the reply :) 
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January 24, 2013 3:28:46 AM

rams not slower, second of all the ssd is just as good, beefy 850 to support sli or crossfire.

well crossfire in this case, also i did this for value wise, so u get more bang for ur buck.

why pay more when u can have similar performance for less :) 

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January 31, 2013 12:42:32 PM

Best answer selected by guitaroo.
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