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January 23, 2013 4:08:32 PM

Ok so here is my idea, a gaming rig for around 500$-750$. I want the possibility to eventually update to what is at this moment top of the line. The original idea was to go to what would be top of the line at the moment when I had more money to invest. With a new socket around the corner this option seems gone unless I wait which I don't want to do. Nor do I want to invest in a new socket when it's still spanking new.

I want LGA 1155 for sure, I'd like SLI, A max of 32Gbs ram. The SSD I will hold of on till I feel financially ready to invest more.

Currently I'm thinking of starting with an i5 or an i3 depending what kind of deal is available on the market when I buy. Speaking of buying I'm waiting on two W2's and then 2-3 weeks for tax return to come before I buy. So all in all I will be making the actual purchases in around one month.

Right now I'm seeking advice. Even though I don't want to wait for the new socket. I can't help but wonder, am I jumping the gun building a new rig right now? From a financial stand point would I be better off waiting for the new socket? As in will I have a better performing rig for the same price tag if I wait for Haswell as apposed to buying IB right now.

My theory is that when Haswell comes out IB will drop in price. Enabling me to get what is currently top of the line for a more reasonable price. I've never built a rig on the verge of a socket change so I don't know how it typically plays out. In example if an i7-3770K cost 310$ right now. I'm expecting shortly after Haswell comes out the price will drop to around 200$. Putting it in my price range. My hesitation comes from not knowing if a low end Haswell will be 200$ and have better performance than the top end i7 for 200$.

I will be uploading what I have in mind for a build in a few minutes. This is somewhat what I have in mind. Taking any and all advice I don't pretend to be an expert here or even come close to knowing what is best for what I want. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/z9ES

I have an ATX case I'm tempted to reuse to save 100$. I also already have the second GeForce 550Ti which is why I'm using that video card.
January 23, 2013 4:23:20 PM

no point in i7 for gaming
January 23, 2013 4:33:22 PM

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Ok so here is my idea, a gaming rig for around 500$-750$. I want the possibility to eventually update to what is at this moment top of the line. The original idea was to go to what would be top of the line at the moment when I had more money to invest. With a new socket around the corner this option seems gone unless I wait which I don't want to do. Nor do I want to invest in a new socket when it's still spanking new.


I bought Ivy Bridge (LGA 1155) and Nehalem (LGA 1366) both when they were brand new - don't let that stop you from building a new system.

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Even though I don't want to wait for the new socket. I can't help but wonder, am I jumping the gun building a new rig right now? From a financial stand point would I be better off waiting for the new socket? As in will I have a better performing rig for the same price tag if I wait for Haswell as apposed to buying IB right now.


If you're going to wait - wait. If you're going to buy now, buy now. The thing with waiting is that there's only going to be minor improvements over what's out now. Intel released the Haswell lineup yesterday and from that we now know that there's nothing new being brought to the table in terms of speed. Haswell instead releases a CPU with an entirely new manufacturing process which results in a smaller CPU die - that could lead to higher clock speeds in the future, but for now who knows?

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My theory is that when Haswell comes out IB will drop in price. Enabling me to get what is currently top of the line for a more reasonable price. I've never built a rig on the verge of a socket change so I don't know how it typically plays out. In example if an i7-3770K cost 310$ right now. I'm expecting shortly after Haswell comes out the price will drop to around 200$. Putting it in my price range. My hesitation comes from not knowing if a low end Haswell will be 200$ and have better performance than the top end i7 for 200$.


Don't bank on it - you can still find LGA 1366 CPUs - which are now 5+ years old - for $300. Just because a new technology comes out doesn't mean the old is going to drop in price.

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I want LGA 1155 for sure, I'd like SLI, A max of 32Gbs ram. The SSD I will hold of on till I feel financially ready to invest more.


Unless you're doing some hardcore video editing or running a RAM disk, you will never need or use 32GB of RAM. That's not the place to blow money on a rig.
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January 23, 2013 4:33:28 PM

I appreciate the advice although I can't help but wonder what would be better. If you could give some advice there.
January 23, 2013 4:55:43 PM

i5 is top notch for gaming e.g. i5 3470
January 23, 2013 5:04:18 PM

what case do u own currently?

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/z9VX
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/z9VX/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/z9VX/benchmarks/

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($129.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock 970 EXTREME4 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($38.12 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: PNY GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB Video Card ($239.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Zalman Z9 ATX Mid Tower Case ($31.98 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Rosewill Hive 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($24.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $710.02
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-23 14:03 EST-0500)

Base Total: $760.03
Mail-in Rebates: -$55.00
Shipping: $4.99
Total: $710.02


January 23, 2013 5:13:14 PM

First off, 32GB of RAM is way overkill for any gaming rig unless you want to have like 15 games running at the same time. You would be better off with a higher-end single GPU over 2 lower end GPUs. The i7 serves no purpose for gaming as most all games do not support hyperthreading which is the only difference with i5. One more note, if you really want to CrossFire/SLI, get a PSU in the 700-750W range but make it a reputable brand like SeaSonic, Antec, PCP&C, High-end Rosewill, Corsair (at least 80+ Bronze), or XFX.

Here is what I would go with. I just added a case of my choice for reference.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H77 Pro4/MVP ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($87.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($38.50 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card ($249.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cougar Volant (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.98 @ Outlet PC)
Power Supply: Rosewill Hive 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $750.98
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-23 14:16 EST-0500)
January 23, 2013 5:30:55 PM

thats nice except that mobo has second pci-slot at 4x and wont be true sli and not worth sliing or crossfiring because will be uneven power :) 

January 23, 2013 5:39:21 PM

iceclock said:
thats nice except that mobo has second pci-slot at 4x and wont be true sli and not worth sliing or crossfiring because will be uneven power :) 


Very true, thanks iceclock. Even though I have an SLI setup myself, right now, I wish that I just went with a single card setup. I think that is why I suggest it so much. It is just a better experience. The OP would have to at least go with Extreme 4 or similar for good SLI/Crossfire.
January 23, 2013 5:55:37 PM

yes, u want real sli or crossfire, they shouldnt even make 4x slots, doesnt even work good, its hidden information they dont always write, i say 2 16x slots or atleast 1-16x+8x.

or no sli or crossfire slots, its false advertisement.

January 23, 2013 6:08:38 PM

iceclock said:
yes, u want real sli or crossfire, they shouldnt even make 4x slots, doesnt even work good, its hidden information they dont always write, i say 2 16x slots or atleast 1-16x+8x.

or no sli or crossfire slots, its false advertisement.


Yeah, I know what you mean. A LOT of advertisement on SLI/CrossFire "Has PCI 3.0 x16" but little mention of x4 on second slot. I love my 990FXA, it has 2 x16 slots but only at PCIe 2.0 or 2.1, whichever it is. Can't remember off the top of the knoggin'.
January 23, 2013 6:22:29 PM

sad because its like lying to the consummer, thinking i can sli later than find out its not running right, false advertising.

January 24, 2013 3:03:29 AM

Holy thread jacking >.< (I found the conversation interesting btw learned a few things as well)

Thanks for the hardware advice I'll take the time and look through it tomorrow. Got some work related things to take care of before bed tonight.

BTW love the community here!
January 24, 2013 3:05:00 AM

shur no problem, well somethimes the conversation goes south and north :D , but no raindeers involved.

shur anytime, if u want me to add or change a part to ur liking let me know to recap the advice build for u.



PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/z9VX
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/z9VX/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/z9VX/benchmarks/

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($129.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock 970 EXTREME4 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($38.12 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: PNY GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB Video Card ($239.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Zalman Z9 ATX Mid Tower Case ($31.98 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Rosewill Hive 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($24.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $710.02
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-23 14:03 EST-0500)

Base Total: $760.03
Mail-in Rebates: -$55.00
Shipping: $4.99
Total: $710.02

January 24, 2013 4:39:11 AM

You know I've been thinking this whole time Intel, Intel, Intel. Really though am I gonna notice a differance in comparable CPU's? If I'm, not mistaken AMD will save you some money.


Keep in mind I'll be running as many D3 clients as possible while playing SimCity. That is as many as possible with my rig not in general. Trying to say it will be running at its limit most of the time I'm using it.
January 24, 2013 1:08:13 PM

well intel is nice but u pay a premium for intel, when u can get a 6core amd for less,

to me if u wanna run alot of stuff and are limited budget u wanna get amd.

and the amd 6core will still whoop some robotic tushy.



January 24, 2013 3:27:49 PM

Marvison said:
You know I've been thinking this whole time Intel, Intel, Intel. Really though am I gonna notice a differance in comparable CPU's? If I'm, not mistaken AMD will save you some money.


Keep in mind I'll be running as many D3 clients as possible while playing SimCity. That is as many as possible with my rig not in general. Trying to say it will be running at its limit most of the time I'm using it.


AMD CPUs have more cores and slightly higher clock speeds but they don't run at the same capacity as their Intel counterparts do.

Here's a few benchmarks that will tell you what you need to know:

- http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/701?vs=699
- http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/437/AMD_FX-Series_FX-6...
January 24, 2013 3:29:07 PM

im speaking for his budget, no way he can afford a decent mobo for intel that overclocks+an i5, gonna cost too much.

thats why amd for me is the preferred brand for budget builds, more bang for bucks

January 24, 2013 3:40:51 PM

iceclock said:
im speaking for his budget, no way he can afford a decent mobo for intel that overclocks+an i5, gonna cost too much.

thats why amd for me is the preferred brand for budget builds, more bang for bucks


AMD CPUs can be a good bang for buck option but if you're going to sacrifice somewhere you can omit overclocking and you'd still get a pretty fast system out of it. If you want the option for it get a low end Z77 board and then you can upgrade the CPU later on.
January 24, 2013 3:56:26 PM

i guess, but i prefer off the bat to give them a stronger cpu.

if u wanna talk intel here:

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/zkQR
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/zkQR/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/zkQR/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($121.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z77A-G41 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($79.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($40.98 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($73.51 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PNY GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB Video Card ($239.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Source 220 ATX Mid Tower Case ($40.00 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Rosewill Hive 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($24.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $696.40
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-24 12:56 EST-0500)

Base Total: $745.42
Promo Discounts: -$9.99
Mail-in Rebates: -$55.00
Shipping: $15.97
Total: $696.40

still find that the amd is better bang for bucks, but opinions will be opinions :D 

January 24, 2013 4:09:40 PM

This would actually be a better bang for buck option:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($149.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: ASRock H77 Pro4/MVP ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($87.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($44.98 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($74.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB Video Card ($239.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 520W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($75.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $734.44
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-24 13:10 EST-0500)

Of course that's assuming the OP lives near a Micro Center. :lol: 
January 24, 2013 5:27:02 PM

Oc'ing is not something I plan to do in the foresee able future. The long term goal of this rig (rig A) is to serve as my main until I can afford to go all out. At that point I'll buy a new rig (rig B) with plans to play around with OC'ing. Then pass rig A to my wife where it will slowly be upgraded to keep up with the current games.

For rig A my goal is a medium performance rig with good upgrade options in the long term. Then with upgrades run it as long as possible, so OC'ing doesn't really fit in.

Once again thanks for all the responses I've got so much to look over and decide which direction to go. My main concern right now Intel or AMD. I don't suppose with long term upgrades in mind it much matters if I go AMD or Intel. They both release new sockets in about the same time frames, no?

I will say I'm starting to lean towards AMD considering my budget restrictions. Especially for multiboxing D3. The software I use allows you to dedicate cores to each client. I think AMD would make better use of that feature.
January 24, 2013 7:08:48 PM

yes, the amd build would favour ur budget :) 

January 25, 2013 3:14:06 AM

When picking a MoBo do I need to match both my Chipset and my Socket?
January 25, 2013 3:15:18 AM

yes thats correct.

January 25, 2013 3:48:41 AM

Would this MoBo be compatible with the FX-6300. I'd really like to go Asus.

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-motherboard-m5a97evo

Edit 1: On the Asus site it shows an FX-6300 but the P# is different its "FD6300WMW6KHK" instead of whats listed on PCpartpicker "FD6300WMHKBOX"

Edit 2: So after poking around the AMD site a little while I came up with.

FX-6300 - http://shop.amd.com/us/All/Detail/Processor/FD6300WMHKB... = "FD6300WMHKBOX" 129.99 + S&H

and

FX-6300 - http://shop.amd.com/us/All/Detail/Processor/FD6300WMW6K... = "FD6300WMW6KHK" 173.99 + S&H

So from the information they give me they are the same processor except one is listed as compatible with a MoBo and one isn't. Are the listed MoBO + CPU compatibility listings on a MoBo manufacturers website and absolute? Or is it a covering their own ass kinda thing because A, B, C, and D work but E isn't quite what it should be but it'll work?


Also the ASrock you posted is the same thing. It's listed for the more expensive of the "two" versions but not the cheaper one.
January 25, 2013 12:34:51 PM

er.

ud be fine with this.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/zuOI
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/zuOI/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/zuOI/benchmarks/

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($129.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus M5A97 EVO ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($122.28 @ TigerDirect)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($38.12 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($73.67 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PNY GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB Video Card ($239.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Zalman Z9 ATX Mid Tower Case ($31.98 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Rosewill Hive 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $736.00
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-25 09:34 EST-0500)

Base Total: $782.51
Mail-in Rebates: -$50.00
Shipping: $7.29
Total: $739.80

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