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January 23, 2013 11:29:17 PM

So I'm preparing to build a new low budget gaming system and was wondering if some one can take a look at my parts. Just tell me if I can do anything better or if I need anything extra like cable wires, or connectors.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/zdym

Thanks,
Dave

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a b 4 Gaming
January 23, 2013 11:37:22 PM

You can do better than that and save some money

An FX 6300 processor is $140
Asrock 970 extreme3 motherboard $75

Obviously you lose the onboard graphics of the APU , but you wouldnt be using them anyway because of the graphics card . In return you save a few dollars , and get a much more powerful cpu with 6 cores instead of 4 , and a lot more cache which will help game performance too


Everything else can stay the same

all the cables you need are included with the mb
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January 23, 2013 11:47:01 PM

Ok and you believe this will be able to run most game on at least high settings well?
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January 23, 2013 11:58:16 PM

So shark you believe that would be a much better build for me? Because I wouldn't mind spending the few extra bucks.
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January 24, 2013 12:00:40 AM

I have about a month until I buy the parts. Using my tax refund so I'm saying my max budget will be around $900.
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a b 4 Gaming
January 24, 2013 2:20:47 AM

Dave4469 said:
Ok and you believe this will be able to run most game on at least high settings well?



Its more important to have a power graphics card than it is to have a powerful processor . A graphics card will let you turn up the image details and the game looks better .
Processors matter less , partly because LCD monitors only refresh themselves at 60 Hz . This is 60 frames per second [ fps] . If you have one processor make 80 fps and a more expensive model make 100 fps the more expensive one is NOT going to give you a better gaming experience . Both systems will be actually displaying 60 fps .Thats all the monitor can ever display.

The FX 6300 would be easily the best choice if we stick with your original budget . If you have a little extra to spend then do that on the graphics card
Radron 7870 , GTX 660 OC or similar

The suggested intel build thats been linked has some good choices but is a bit wasteful . It also includes what might be the worst case you can buy for $50 .
Google some reviews of it

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January 24, 2013 6:12:42 AM

The suggested build was not one I put together, only an example of an i5 build for price comparison purposes......here's what I would do:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/zhLL

If you're not OC'ing, can save about $40-50 by going with the i5-3450 instead and an H77 mobo which will get you under budget. I did select an SSD which helps with faster boot times and read/write but no real boost in gaming. You could either take what you'd save from not OC'ing and get 2nd HDD (same you chose), or just choose yours instead of SSD.
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a b 4 Gaming
January 24, 2013 6:30:56 AM

This is what I would go with for ~$750.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($133.79 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock 970 Extreme3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($84.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($38.50 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card ($237.55 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 370 ATX Mid Tower Case ($36.39 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: PC Power & Cooling Silencer MK III 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($64.58 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($84.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $766.75
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-24 03:29 EST-0500)

You might think the PSU is pricey but it is worth it. Very reliable plus it is modular which helps with cable management in mid towers. Great price for modular and Bronze certified.
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a b 4 Gaming
January 24, 2013 6:38:34 AM

if you have a micro center near you they have good combo prices on cpu and mb.
if you go with an i5 cpu look into buying a locked cpu and then using a h or mini atx z77 mb.
the new i5 3330 is not a bad cpu for it price point. it has no onboard ipgpu so it made for someone going to be using a gaming gpu. if your not going to sli or cross fire there are a lot of good mb in the 100-150. price range. also from april-may time frame intel going to be ramping up dropping there new cpu. you may be able to find a better cpu deal.
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January 24, 2013 2:05:15 PM

Dave, in case this is becoming confusing, consider the following.
AMD pricing does allow for people to splurge more on graphics cards, but if you really do some research the i5 is the gamer's CPU choice. It all comes down to preference and what you feel better with within your budget.

Smorizio has a great point, you don't need a CPU with integrated graphics since you already plan to get a card, but the i5-3350p is the only one I saw without it. The 3330 does have integrated GPU.

Here's a new list with an i5 and the 7870 video card, for $885

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/zjSx

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a b 4 Gaming
January 24, 2013 2:28:23 PM

If you want to go Intel. Here is this build with a 7950. Nice, reliable 550W PSU to OC the 7950. Don't use an SSD as a single, primary drive, you will run out of space in no time. Add an SSD later, if you want.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3350P 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H77M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($38.50 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($289.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cougar Solution (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Rosewill Hive 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($24.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $853.39
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-24 11:25 EST-0500)
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January 24, 2013 2:38:27 PM

Decent list, basically a revision of my list with some cheaper parts to allow for better graphics which is where the money should go in a gamer. I disagree about adding SSD later though. Yes it may fill up fast, but only if he loads it up with games right away. There is really no benefit in having an SSD unless your OS is on it so adding it later means he has to re-load OS and everything?
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a b 4 Gaming
January 24, 2013 2:49:55 PM

You have to remember that Windows will take at least 20GB on installation with no hybernation. He probably will have to have a page file as some programs require it (at least 4GB). So thats 24GB. This leaves him enough room to install maybe 9 or 10 games considering that he will not install any other programs which is highly doubtful. Just not enough space, IMO.
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January 24, 2013 4:37:44 PM

Thanks for all the input guys. I'm not really confused just hard to decide. I'm about 90% sure I'm going with intel and I do do like cballs build. You think I should add a CPU cooler?
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a b 4 Gaming
January 24, 2013 5:08:37 PM

If you build with an intel quadcore you are way over budget .
If you build with an intel dual core you have a pretty average computer

I know lots of people say the intels are better , but they are not in most situations .
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8350-core-i7-377...
The FX processor doesnt do well in a game like Skyrim that uses a game engine that cant multithread , and that skews the results but everywhere else it matches the intel i7 that costs $130 more .
The FX 6300 I recommended would be very close to the 8350 in most games

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January 24, 2013 7:33:27 PM

That build seemed to be in my budget. Am I missing something? Sorry new to the building desktops.
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January 24, 2013 8:36:47 PM

Dave4469 said:
That build seemed to be in my budget. Am I missing something? Sorry new to the building desktops.



I don't see how you're over budget using either my list or Cball's.
If you like his build, go with it and no you don't need aftermarket cooler if you're not OC'ing.
I built a data server at work using an i7 extreme CPU, and I have up to 7-8 people logged in at a time and the stock cooler has it running at ambient temp most of the time.
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a b 4 Gaming
January 24, 2013 8:43:09 PM

maximum budget, and country of origin.

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January 24, 2013 8:49:07 PM

iceclock said:
maximum budget, and country of origin.


$900 USA
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January 24, 2013 8:51:02 PM

sharkbyte5150 said:
I don't see how you're over budget using either my list or Cball's.
If you like his build, go with it and no you don't need aftermarket cooler if you're not OC'ing.
I built a data server at work using an i7 extreme CPU, and I have up to 7-8 people logged in at a time and the stock cooler has it running at ambient temp most of the time.


I like them both. Do you think the graphics card on cballs is an overkill or does it go well with that CPU?
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a b 4 Gaming
January 24, 2013 8:53:45 PM

dave do u need tower+windows?

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January 24, 2013 8:55:18 PM

iceclock said:
dave do u need tower+windows?


Yes that will be included in budget.
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a b 4 Gaming
January 24, 2013 9:03:00 PM

ok,

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/znZI
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/znZI/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/znZI/benchmarks/

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($129.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($81.88 @ Amazon)
Memory: Kingston Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($36.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Mushkin Chronos 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($99.98 @ Outlet PC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PNY GeForce GTX 660 2GB Video Card ($204.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Zalman Z9 ATX Mid Tower Case ($31.98 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($53.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($24.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $854.74
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-24 18:03 EST-0500)

Base Total: $883.55
Mail-in Rebates: -$30.00
Shipping: $4.99
Total: $858.54

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January 24, 2013 9:37:23 PM

Ice I like that build as well. I read a lot of good stuff about that CPu. I'm going to take my time deciding so of any other ideas/suggestions from anyone would be great. Thanks
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a b 4 Gaming
January 24, 2013 9:39:34 PM

shur, amd is great for the money, i can get u intel, but u gonna have to have less ssd performance and lesser video.

i think overall this is a balanced rig.

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January 24, 2013 10:19:13 PM

Ice, How do you think that rig will run current pc games like planet side 2?
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a b 4 Gaming
January 24, 2013 10:24:36 PM

Dave4469 said:
I like them both. Do you think the graphics card on cballs is an overkill or does it go well with that CPU?


It is not overkill if you want maximum FPS at 1080p

Here you go for Battlefield 3 at 1900x1200 (essentially 1080p) with Ultra settings and 4x anti-aliasing. You can use the little box with the down button (below the benchmarks) to check out some other game titles and their FPS ratings with this card.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7950/8.html
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a b 4 Gaming
January 25, 2013 1:15:20 AM

it will run great. dave :) 

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January 25, 2013 2:20:53 AM

Good luck Dave, I think it's time to build!
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a b 4 Gaming
January 25, 2013 2:26:53 AM

yes it is, time to build than game like a god! :D 

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January 25, 2013 3:57:05 PM

Thanks guys ill let you know if my budget changes. I won't begin ordering for at least a couple weeks.
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a b 4 Gaming
January 25, 2013 4:00:08 PM

alright dont forget to pm me if u require more assistance dave :) 

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