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December 9, 2012 9:05:10 AM

So i bought a new 660ti and a 600w psu and installed it
I installed the latest nvdia driver also
I am currently using a core 2 quad on a Gigabyte EP45-UD3L
I KNOW MY CPU WILL BOTTLENECK MY CPU
But i wasnt expecting the 660ti to hav no performance increament
Any suggestion wat shud i do?
*I CANT OC MY CPU BCZ OF NOT HAVING A AFTERMARKET HSF

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December 9, 2012 9:11:18 AM

what was your old card? resolution?
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December 9, 2012 9:12:11 AM

1680x1050 old wan was gt9600
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December 9, 2012 9:22:51 AM

there should be a massive performance increase, on toms hierarchy chart those 2 cards are 9 tiers apart: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...

9600gt would be between gt440 and gt640 in this graph, around 22% I'd guess, 660ti is rated at 103%, so like 5 times faster...

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Club_3D/HD_7870_joke...

so I think you should get a nice aftermarket cooler and oc your cpu, or set every eyecandy option to the max on games to make it at least look pretty :) 

edit added a source link for the graph
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December 9, 2012 9:28:48 AM

lol now my prototype 2 is running around 20~30 fps on fraps with low aa and max settings i dunno wats wrong wit it
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December 9, 2012 9:32:29 AM

which is the same fps i was on gt9600
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December 9, 2012 9:41:33 AM

what kind of temps are you getting on it? use GPU-Z, sensors tab
http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/

I'm not familiar wiht that game...
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December 9, 2012 10:10:25 AM

45c idle and 50c when playing the game it drops to about 18fps when it gets intense on my 660ti
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December 9, 2012 10:15:29 AM

I'd guess the load% is quite low as well, right?

what about the cpu? hows the temps under load? (real temp http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/ )
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December 9, 2012 10:21:10 AM

Your CPU is even worse than most decent laptop CPUs from Intel right now, you need to upgrade your CPU. Since your CPU and MOBO is so old, you also might need to upgrade your RAM.
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December 9, 2012 10:23:19 AM

He doesn't need to upgrade his CPU... Just get an aftermarket heatsink and OC the CPU.

@OP: Prototype 2 is a very bad example of a game: it's a really bad console port and people with even the best hardware are having performance issues. You shouldn't judge performance increase based on that single game.
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December 9, 2012 10:29:46 AM

trying skyrim now :) 
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December 9, 2012 10:30:25 AM

so no cards can actually get good performance on prototype 2?
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December 9, 2012 10:35:26 AM

It's more of being lucky thing. I know when it it came out, there were many posts that complained about bad performance of Prototype 2, even though they had rigs with i5 @ 4.5 GHz and GTX 680s.
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December 9, 2012 10:43:33 AM

Sunius said:
He doesn't need to upgrade his CPU... Just get an aftermarket heatsink and OC the CPU.

@OP: Prototype 2 is a very bad example of a game: it's a really bad console port and people with even the best hardware are having performance issues. You shouldn't judge performance increase based on that single game.


Better selling the CPU and get a decent CPU which will be on level with the GTX 660 ti. I know it will require a new MOBO aswell, but then he shouldn't have bought such a powerful GPU when he has such low-end components.
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December 9, 2012 10:47:36 AM

Why not? He will get insane boost in performance, and if he didn't have money to upgrade everything, buying GPU was the best option. Furthermore, Core2Quad isn't weak at all if you overclock it. When overclocked, it will most definitely not bottleneck that card.
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December 9, 2012 12:25:11 PM

woah dont want 2 start a flamewar here but yes Sunius im on a budget tats y i decided 2 upgrade my gpu and psu rahter than d whole system bcz if i do it the other way around say upgrading cpu and mobo and use my gt9600 my games wont get boosted as much
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December 9, 2012 12:50:32 PM

tried skyrim and its at 28~35 fps is it low?
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December 9, 2012 12:59:13 PM

infernape772 said:
tried skyrim and its at 28~35 fps is it low?


I get about 80 fps on ultra settings with hd textures and 12 graphic enhancements on 1080p with GTX 660. So I consider it low.
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December 9, 2012 1:05:42 PM

infernape772 said:
tried skyrim and its at 28~35 fps is it low?


Increase settings. The performance won't go down. Point is, Skyrim is extremely CPU intensive game, so overclocking would most definitely help. It's kind of ironic that you chose two bad examples of improvements :) . Though, make sure that you aren't running anything in background so the game has as much CPU time available. Also, getting an aftermarket heatsink for ~$30 would also increase performance in CPU bound games due to overclocking.
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December 9, 2012 1:21:09 PM

i dun even think my mobo allows oc its around 65c on normal web browsing ==
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December 9, 2012 1:22:33 PM

btw any gpu intensive games 2 reccomend?
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December 9, 2012 1:23:21 PM

lostgamer_03 said:
I get about 80 fps on ultra settings with hd textures and 12 graphic enhancements on 1080p with GTX 660. So I consider it low.

wayyy overkill man anyway nice card
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December 9, 2012 1:31:13 PM

If you have 65C web surfing you need new thermal paste at a minimum... $35 gets you a Evo with new paste and some OC headroom.
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December 9, 2012 1:31:24 PM

Witcher 2: Assassin of Kings
Crysis 2
Max Payne 3
Need for Speed: The Run
Battlefield 3 (singleplayer only, multiplayer is CPU intensive).
Far Cry 3
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December 9, 2012 1:46:56 PM

65c idle is way too much, theres something wrong with the cooler, either it's full of dust or it has come loose somehow or the fan isn't running. that also means that when there is any sort of load on the cpu it'll heat up so badly it will probably throttle down the clockspeed to prevent it from overheating and killing itself. And the performance will suffer alot... You need to fix that asap!
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December 9, 2012 1:49:35 PM

infernape772 said:
wayyy overkill man anyway nice card

yours is faster. gtx660ti vs gtx660...
or should be anyways :lol: 
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December 9, 2012 2:07:56 PM

Kari said:
yours is faster. gtx660ti vs gtx660...
or should be anyways :lol: 


I think your reply was to me, and yes his GPU surpasses mine.

Still I got i5-3570 which is why my fps is so much higher.
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December 9, 2012 2:10:40 PM

lostgamer_03 said:
I think your reply was to me, and yes his GPU surpasses mine.

Still I got i5-3570 which is why my fps is so much higher.

well to both of you :na: 
and if the op is throttling down his will get a lot better than currently when it gets fixed.
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December 9, 2012 10:57:36 PM

might want to change a new mobo and proc any suggestion?
in me country my budget is around $350
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December 9, 2012 11:00:53 PM

im using a elite 331 case so i dun think an evo will fit in
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December 10, 2012 3:42:24 AM

Which country are you from? If you're from US, i5-3570k + Asrock Z77 Extreme4/Gigabyte GA-Z77X-D3H would be your best bet.
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December 10, 2012 8:52:06 AM

Not really sure how prices are there. Could you check out the prices of those two parts I recommended? Based on their price I could recommend something suitable for you budget.
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December 10, 2012 10:16:51 AM

lol if you wanna throw money at a dusty heatsink, be my guest lol
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December 10, 2012 10:20:11 AM

wow tom's hierarchy chart is really flawed and outdated. does he plan on updating it?
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December 10, 2012 10:23:43 AM

Rich_ said:
wow tom's hierarchy chart is really flawed and outdated. does he plan on updating it?

how so? oh tell us youngster, enlighten us!
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December 10, 2012 10:31:17 AM

pre catalyst update, has the 660ti above a 7950, and 680 above a 7970. Also has a 7850 above a 6950, that just doesnt seem right either. r u mad?
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December 10, 2012 10:35:20 AM

OP: if ur core2*quad is around 65 c on web browsing you might be looking at a dying processor. Symptoms are of a bottleneck, the cpu you have is supposed to be right around a decent amd phenom, so it shouldnt bottleneck, but your temps are a bit odd, it might be expiring, dust may be built up around your heatsink, anything really.
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December 10, 2012 11:07:59 AM

Rich_ said:
pre catalyst update, has the 660ti above a 7950, and 680 above a 7970. Also has a 7850 above a 6950, that just doesnt seem right either. r u mad?
are you looking at an old chart? the one i linked has 680 and 7970 at the same tier and 7970ghz above them... also 7950 is above 660ti.. so not sure what you're on about.. r u blind? lol
edit dated november 2012..

edit2 and dying cpus dont just overheat like that over time, they become unstable and crash alot and might need voltage bumps to keep em stable. dust build up on the heatsink on the other hand is easily cleaned...
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December 10, 2012 11:15:22 AM

kari let me tell you a little story. THere was a young child named timothy. He was a sweet young man. He loved his mommy and daddy very muched. He was always a sweet boy. THen on one night, Christmas eve, 1947, right after his dad got home from the war in Vietnam. Little timmy looked out his window and asked Santa for a gtx 680. His father, overhearing timothy, became infuriated, he just fought for his country and could not afford a 680 for little spoiled timothy. He took his leather belt and beat little timothy something fierce, right across his bottom. Then mommy came in and she smacked him across his wrists with a yardstick. The yardstick broke. Timmothy was crying. Then Jesus, being naked and masculine, sweating his holy beads down his glistening chest, came down the chimney, and presented timothy and his parents a gift. It was a 7950, and little timothy and his parents loved that 7950 so much! Here is little timothy now, 65 years later, and he still has it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcKWzVkgspc&list=UU_SN80...
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December 10, 2012 11:16:26 AM

loll you are high on something aren't ya?
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December 10, 2012 11:21:26 AM

edit looks like the message i was replying to has been removed.
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December 10, 2012 1:22:00 PM

okay now 2 solve my probi hav to do which one?
1. clean my hsf
2. buy a new hsf
3. apply new thermal paste
4. somehow oc it using tis lousy mobo (increase voltage or sumthin)
5. upgrade 2 a better mobo and proc (LAST RESORT)
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December 10, 2012 2:00:42 PM

infernape772 said:
okay now 2 solve my probi hav to do which one?
1. clean my hsf
2. buy a new hsf
3. apply new thermal paste
4. somehow oc it using tis lousy mobo (increase voltage or sumthin)
5. upgrade 2 a better mobo and proc (LAST RESORT)

start with cleaning the heatsink&fan. You might be able to do it just fine even without removing it.
If that doesnt work, try reseating the heatsink. Remove it, clean the old paste from the bottom of the sink and the cpu with something like IPA using coffee filters or some other flint free cloth. Apply new layer of thermal paste on the cpu and re-install the heatsink.
If the fan on the heatsink has failed you might be able to ghettomod some other (case)fan on it to keep it cool.

If you feel like overclocking it you should get an aftermarket cooler, maybe something like Hyper 212.

If it still doesn't give you desired performance, buy new mobo+cpu, and reuse the cooler bought earlier.
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December 10, 2012 11:01:41 PM

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