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Anonymous
January 24, 2013 11:29:59 PM

Hello everyone, I am building a new system for light work, some video editing and games (Minecraft and Team Fortress 2 on medium-high settings) my budget is $360. These are my options:

1. AMD Athlon
• CPU: AMD Athlon II X4 631 $49
• Mainboard: ASUS F1A55-M-LX-PLUS FM1 $40
• Memory: 8GB G.Skill-NT 1600 $43
• Hard disk drive: 500GB Seagate 7200RPM $58
• Graphics: Gigabyte GT610 $38
• Case: A-Power Megatron X2 $33
• DVDRW: Samsung DVD Writer $19
• Speaker: Gigabyte GP-S4600 $6
• Total: $309

2. AMD FX
• CPU: AMD X4 FX-4300 $129
• Mainboard: MSI 760GM-P23 $43
• Memory: 4GB G.Skill-NT 1600 $23
• Hard disk drive: 500GB Seagate 7200RPM $58
• Graphics: Gigabyte GT610 $38
• Case: A-Power Megatron X2 $33
• DVDRW: Samsung DVD Writer $19
• Speaker: Gigabyte GP-S4600 $6
• Total: $359

3. Intel Pentium
• CPU: Intel Sandy Bridge G860 $69
• Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3H $68
• Memory: 8GB DDR3 1600 G.Skill-NT $43
• Hard disk drive: 500GB Seagate 7200RPM $58
• Graphics: MSI 6570 $60
• Case: A-Power Megatron X2 $33
• DVDRW: Samsung DVD Writer $19
• Speaker: Gigabyte GP-S4600 $6
• Total $352

4. AMD APU A8
• CPU: AMD A8-5600K APU $112
• Motherboard: MSI FM2-A55M-E33 $61
• Memory: 8GB G.Skill-NT 1600 DDR3 $43
• Hard disk drive: 500GB Seagate 7200RPM $58
• Case: Coolermaster RC371 $42
• DVDRW: Samsung DVD Writer $19
• Speaker: Gigabyte GP-S4600 $6
• Total: $344

5. AMD APU A4
• CPU: AMD A4-5300 APU $58
• Motherboard: MSI FM2-A55M-E33 $61
• Memory: 8GB G.Skill-NT 1600 DDR3 $43
• Hard disk drive: 500GB Seagate 7200RPM $58
• Case: Coolermaster Elite RC-335 $61
• DVDRW: Samsung DVD Writer $19
• Speaker: Gigabyte GP-S4600 $6
• Total: $309

6. AMD Sempron
• CPU: AMD Sempron 145 2.8GHz $39 (Or Athlon II X2 260)
• Motherboard: AsRock 880GM-LE-FX $55
• Hard disk drive: 500GB Seagate 7200RPM $58
• Graphics: Gigabyte GT610 $38
• Case: Coolermaster RC371 $42
• DVDRW: Samsung DVD Writer $19
• Speaker: Gigabyte GP-S4600 $6
• Total $273

I do not want to know what is the best but which is the most value for money. Please notify me if there are any incompatibilities.

Thank you in advance
a c 102 À AMD
January 24, 2013 11:37:09 PM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($98.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($49.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: Kingston 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($16.98 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7750 2GB Video Card ($88.48 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: NZXT Gamma Classic (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($31.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Antec 450W ATX12V Power Supply ($30.95 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $383.33
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-24 20:36 EST-0500)

Slightly over budget, but MUCH better than any of these builds.
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Anonymous
January 25, 2013 4:05:47 AM

I am very sorry I forgot to mention this the builds above are my only option because I do not want to order online and my local store has these parts in stock. Also my store does not have Phenoms. And the price is a deal breaker. (extra shipping cost because I am overseas)

I will be using a ASUS ATX-450D PSU; will this be enough?
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a c 102 À AMD
January 25, 2013 4:07:39 AM

4. AMD APU A8
• CPU: AMD A8-5600K APU $112
• Motherboard: MSI FM2-A55M-E33 $61
• Memory: 8GB G.Skill-NT 1600 DDR3 $43
• Hard disk drive: 500GB Seagate 7200RPM $58
• Case: Coolermaster RC371 $42
• DVDRW: Samsung DVD Writer $19
• Speaker: Gigabyte GP-S4600 $6
• Total: $344
This is the best of a rotten bunch. None of these will really game at all but this will get you playable FPS on low settings.

You really want to get a PSU from Antec, XFX, Corsair, Seasonic. They are the more reliable brands and are much less likely to fail and take your system out.
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January 25, 2013 5:04:05 AM

The A8 is for sure the best of those builds (build 4). Also on Minecraft and team fortress 2 you will probably be above low as those are not demanding games. and although your power supply is not the highest quality it will be more then enough power for an APU.

Also if your local dealer has an A10 in stock you should go for that over the A8.
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January 25, 2013 6:11:15 AM

for the love of... just kidding.
but please do not get a gt 610.
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Anonymous
January 25, 2013 6:29:06 AM

Is a GT610 bad for gaming? If so, what about GT620/630 and HD 6570?
Thanks
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January 25, 2013 6:51:33 AM

All those are not going to be great. You want at minimum a 7750. For what you would get for the money locally that's not too bad, but for gaming in my opinion the minimum you want is a 7750. Would getting the athlon system and then ordering a 7750 be out of the question? I think most of the cards they r showing r more media center type cards or entry level non gamer cards.
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Anonymous
January 25, 2013 6:57:26 AM

tiny voices said:
4. AMD APU A8
• CPU: AMD A8-5600K APU $112
• Motherboard: MSI FM2-A55M-E33 $61
• Memory: 8GB G.Skill-NT 1600 DDR3 $43
• Hard disk drive: 500GB Seagate 7200RPM $58
• Case: Coolermaster RC371 $42
• DVDRW: Samsung DVD Writer $19
• Speaker: Gigabyte GP-S4600 $6
• Total: $344
This is the best of a rotten bunch. None of these will really game at all but this will get you playable FPS on low settings.

You really want to get a PSU from Antec, XFX, Corsair, Seasonic. They are the more reliable brands and are much less likely to fail and take your system out.


Thank you
What is the worst part of these builds, the graphics card I guess? If so can you tell me if a GT620/630 or a HD 6570 is a good buy.

Also, will a 350W Corsair be adequate?
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Anonymous
January 25, 2013 7:00:24 AM

ohiou_grad_06 said:
All those are not going to be great. You want at minimum a 7750. For what you would get for the money locally that's not too bad, but for gaming in my opinion the minimum you want is a 7750. Would getting the athlon system and then ordering a 7750 be out of the question? I think most of the cards they r showing r more media center type cards or entry level non gamer cards.

Sorry I did not see your reply because I was typing.
I currently have a HD 2600 XT, will I see a noticeable difference with the cards that I mentioned above?

7750 cost over $110 locally.
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January 25, 2013 7:25:50 AM

a 610 is like in the bottom of the pit :) 

take the model number as a clue (though sometimes it is not reliable)

680 is top (690 is an exception), then 670, 660... until 610.

save money and get a 7750, 7770 if you can, it is a decent card
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Anonymous
January 25, 2013 7:39:19 AM

Cons29 said:
a 610 is like in the bottom of the pit :) 

take the model number as a clue (though sometimes it is not reliable)

680 is top (690 is an exception), then 670, 660... until 610.

save money and get a 7750, 7770 if you can, it is a decent card


Thanks. I will buy a 7750 if my budget allows... But if not or I have to buy a low profile case I will have to buy 6570... There is also GF210 and GT210, they are at the bottom
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a c 102 À AMD
January 25, 2013 1:01:45 PM

You really want to try your best to get a 7750. You won't be gaming with those other cards.
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January 25, 2013 1:39:48 PM

Agreed if you game you will be low settings with the other cards
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January 25, 2013 1:47:47 PM

Other thing check on ebay dude. I sold my old gts 450 for like 40 bucks counting shipping on there. If you got one of those you'd probably be almost at the performance of the 7750. Granted the gts 450 is 2 generations old but I think the 450 would smoke the cards you are currently going after if you don't mind installing it. The 450 would at least tide you over until you could get a better card later.
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Anonymous
January 25, 2013 9:03:43 PM

Should I buy an Athlon II X2 260 with a 7750 or an Athlon II X4 631 with a 7750? The 631 is FM1 so it is very likely it will go out of stock.
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January 25, 2013 10:47:06 PM

Get the 631 no question. I had an Athlon dual core before and I'm a gamer, had CPU bottlenecks but when I went to my Athlon quad it was quite a jump.

I've upgraded since then, but really the quad did everything I wanted just wanted a shiny new 8 core.
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Anonymous
January 26, 2013 12:00:01 AM

Awesome. I was going to do that but I found that the AsRock 880GM-LE FX AM3/AM3+ had a floppy connector and I need a floppy badly so what would you recommend for this motherboard under $100 and under $75? I'll get that 7750. If you really think I should get the 631 I will because of its cheap price. Sorry for bad English, I am writing on a mobile device. Also will a Phenom II 955 work with the AsRock 880GM-LE-FX? I think the buses are different speeds.
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a c 102 À AMD
January 26, 2013 12:31:07 AM

The Athlon is OLD and WILL bottleneck a modern video card.

The phenom II 955 is a MUCH better option and will actually be decent.
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Anonymous
January 26, 2013 1:03:48 AM

tiny voices said:
The Athlon is OLD and WILL bottleneck a modern video card.

The phenom II 955 is a MUCH better option and will actually be decent.


Will the phenom work with the AsRock 880GM-LE-FX?
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January 26, 2013 7:41:38 AM

Should. Between the 2 get the phenom. If its a black edition you can overclock for better performance. Also I would get the most modern board I could for future upgradeability. I think I once bought a USB floppy drive on eBay for like 5 bucks.
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January 26, 2013 7:47:11 AM

You might consider the fx 4300 you listed also that would probably do ok too. Between the phenom 2, fx 4300 or Athlon quad get either the phenom 2 or or fx. Both of those should be great at overclocking. I went from an Athlon quad to an 8 core fx and love it but that's a bigger jump, but my fx 8120, a bulldozer chip, easily overclocks to 4 ghz, I think I've got headroom left, so if you had a 4300 at 4.5 ghz it might do well.
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Anonymous
January 26, 2013 8:22:38 PM

HD 2600 XT vs 7750 vs GT630? The 2600 is my current graphics.
Also is a 2600 better than a GT610 and a 6570?
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Anonymous
January 26, 2013 9:00:17 PM

ohiou_grad_06 said:
Should. Between the 2 get the phenom. If its a black edition you can overclock for better performance. Also I would get the most modern board I could for future upgradeability. I think I once bought a USB floppy drive on eBay for like 5 bucks.


Can the phenom work without a bios update? I am going to replace this system in about 2 years so upgrade does not matter. And I dont fancy USB floppies.

Thanks
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a c 102 À AMD
January 26, 2013 9:47:50 PM

Quote:
HD 2600 XT vs 7750 vs GT630? The 2600 is my current graphics.
Also is a 2600 better than a GT610 and a 6570?


7750 is the best by far. the other ones really won't play modern games.
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Anonymous
January 27, 2013 2:43:48 AM

tiny voices said:
7750 is the best by far. the other ones really won't play modern games.


I have s 2600 XT and it gives me smooth gameplay on 720p on TF2. It bottlenecks a little on 1080 but is not uncomfortable. Will the GT630 or the 6570 be better than the 2600?

Also does the Phenom need a bios update to work in asrock 880gm-le-fx

Thanks,
Matsushima
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January 27, 2013 3:00:48 AM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Pentium G860 3.0GHz Dual-Core Processor ($65.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock H61M-DGS Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($44.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Kingston 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($16.98 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ Microcenter)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB Video Card ($99.99 @ Microcenter)
Case: Apex SK-393-C ATX Mid Tower Case ($24.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On IHAS324-98 DVD/CD Writer ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $362.91
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-27 00:00 EST-0500)
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a c 102 À AMD
January 27, 2013 3:18:25 PM

Quote:
I have s 2600 XT and it gives me smooth gameplay on 720p on TF2. It bottlenecks a little on 1080 but is not uncomfortable. Will the GT630 or the 6570 be better than the 2600?

Also does the Phenom need a bios update to work in asrock 880gm-le-fx

Thanks,
Matsushima


The motherboard will not need a BIOS update for the Phenom II.

A gt630 isn't really a gaming card. I would get the Phenom II and the HD7750. You won't be disappointed.
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January 27, 2013 5:38:22 PM

tiny voices said:
The motherboard will not need a BIOS update for the Phenom II.

A gt630 isn't really a gaming card. I would get the Phenom II and the HD7750. You won't be disappointed.


For an extra $10 newegg has a MSI HD 7770 on sale for $99.
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Anonymous
January 27, 2013 9:10:16 PM

blake1243 said:
For an extra $10 newegg has a MSI HD 7770 on sale for $99.


I don't want to order online.

People haven't still answered my last question; will a GT630/6570 be better than a HD 2600 XT??? :( 
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a c 102 À AMD
January 27, 2013 9:14:33 PM

Yes it will be but it isn't worth buying as you won't really be able to play games on them past low settings. I would go for the 6570 if I had to pick one.
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Anonymous
January 27, 2013 10:02:36 PM

I can play TF2 on 720p with the 2600 without bottlenecking.
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a c 102 À AMD
January 27, 2013 10:06:37 PM

What settings? That is a super easy game to max out.
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Anonymous
January 27, 2013 11:23:25 PM

medium
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a c 102 À AMD
January 27, 2013 11:28:25 PM

What resolution?
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Anonymous
January 27, 2013 11:38:50 PM

720p

Could you also tell me should I get a good processor or a good video card? Thanks
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a c 102 À AMD
January 27, 2013 11:51:16 PM

At 1080p that would really struggle. There is a decent difference between resolutions. the 6570 will probably get you medium/low settings at 1080p. Any other modern game, like skyrim or battlefield would probably only be playable at low settings and you might have to turn the resolution down.
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Anonymous
January 27, 2013 11:56:13 PM

Should I get a cheap Pentium with a 7750 or a Phenom with a 6570?
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a c 102 À AMD
January 28, 2013 12:01:39 AM

For gaming? Pentium and 7750 easy. Gaming is usually about 10-20% CPU and 80-90% GPU. Always get the better GPU when available. You are buying locally correct?

Try to get this:
Pentium gxxx
4gb RAM (2x2gb)
500gb HDD
cheapest CD/DVD drive they have
450w PSU from Antec, XFX, Corsair, Seasonic
cheapish case
cheap b75 motherboard
best GPU you can get. (probably 7750)

The 7750 is about 3 times as powerful as the 6570.

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January 28, 2013 12:05:38 AM

Don't understand the idea of not ordering online. I've ordered on tigerdirect newegg eBay etc, very few troubles but do what you want, we are trying to help you get a good deal.

Either way don't bother with the 630 or 6570. Minimum card you want is a gtx 650 or a radeon 7750. If you are gaming you want one of those as your bare minimum.
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Anonymous
January 28, 2013 12:16:32 AM

ohiou_grad_06 said:
Don't understand the idea of not ordering online. I've ordered on tigerdirect newegg eBay etc, very few troubles but do what you want, we are trying to help you get a good deal.

Either way don't bother with the 630 or 6570. Minimum card you want is a gtx 650 or a radeon 7750. If you are gaming you want one of those as your bare minimum.


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For gaming? Pentium and 7750 easy. Gaming is usually about 10-20% CPU and 80-90% GPU. Always get the better GPU when available. You are buying locally correct?


Try to get this:
Pentium gxxx
4gb RAM (2x2gb)
500gb HDD
cheapest CD/DVD drive they have
450w PSU from Antec, XFX, Corsair, Seasonic
cheapish case
cheap b75 motherboard
best GPU you can get. (probably 7750)


The 7750 is about 3 times as powerful as the 6570.


Sorry but I don't live in America so shipping will be long and expensive, and I will buy probably a 7750 or GTX650 (maybe Ti) with a Pentium. But is 4GB really enough? And why not a single 4GB?

Thanks,
Matsushima
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a c 102 À AMD
January 28, 2013 12:19:28 AM

Yes, no game uses more than 4gb of RAM. Its always better to have dual channel RAM. 2x2gb is faster than 1x4gb.
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January 28, 2013 12:52:26 AM

4gb is enough realistically. Here in the states I usually go with 8 when I'm doing a build, 8 might be overkill but the price is like 10-20 dollars difference usually.
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Anonymous
January 28, 2013 12:54:54 AM

In that case I can use my existing DDR3 dimms... yay
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a b À AMD
January 28, 2013 12:58:36 AM

the best option would either be the fm2 build, since its integrated gpu is quite the best on the market, or the fx 4300 if u dont mind having less gpu power.

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a c 102 À AMD
January 28, 2013 1:00:04 AM

As long as they are ddr3.
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a b À AMD
January 28, 2013 1:04:05 AM

yes since fm2 only supports ddr3 for what i know of.

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January 28, 2013 8:54:28 AM

GTX 650, or HD 7750 + Pentium. Unless you really can't spend the extra $20-$40.
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Anonymous
February 2, 2013 2:42:22 AM

If I use a FX-4300 on the MSI 760GM-P23 motherboard will it work without updating BIOS and if I need to update bios can I boot from the flash bios function in the first time?
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Anonymous
February 10, 2013 6:35:42 AM

Best answer selected by Matsushima.
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