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GTX 660 TI vs AMD 7950

Which card is better for the buck, they are all pretty much at the same price. I play Black Ops 2, BF3. Which card is better? There is also another game I play at with AA x4.
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  1. the 7950 is better.
  2. Nope, the 660 ti is the better one and has better driver support and exclusive features, i'd go with a 660 ti from gigabyte (windforce 2x) or asus (dcuii).

    http://techreport.com/review/23981/radeon-hd-7950-vs-geforce-gtx-660-ti-revisited/11

    http://www.techspot.com/review/603-best-graphics-cards/page12.html
  3. Altiris said:
    Which card is better for the buck, they are all pretty much at the same price. I play Black Ops 2, BF3. Which card is better? There is also another game I play at with AA x4.


    7950


    http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/11/12/fall_2012_gpu_driver_comparison_roundup/4

    http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_Performance/5.html

    capable of being OCed close to a 670's performance

    http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/HD_7950_X2_Boost/8.html

    better memory bandwidth for higher texture settings/mods with less impact on performance
    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-660-ti-memory-bandwidth-anti-aliasing,3283-11.html

    4xAA? go crazy with 4-8xMSAA, if FXAA isn't your thing.
  4. Would the 3GB be better for the 4x anti aliasing? I also kind of wanted the 3 free games with the 7590, but if the GTX 660Ti greatly surpasses the 7950 then I will go for the GTX 660ti.
  5. the 7950 is faster. The review from tech report is just bad since it is using windows 8 launch drivers which made the 660ti look much better than it is.
  6. Alright thanks everyone, I am upgrading from a 550ti. Hope this will be a bang for my buck.
  7. Standard HD 7950 is faster a little bit than GTX 660ti, difference is not noticeable so go for the cheapest.

    HD 7950 boost is comparable with GTX 670 and much better than GTX 660ti.
  8. +1 to 7950
  9. Sure it is : http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/far_cry_3_graphics_performance_review_benchmark,6.html

    With "boost" still less two fps, people forget that the 660 ti also overlocks and can reach levels of a 670 gtx when overlocked...


    http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_660_Ti_Amp_Edition/31.html
  10. The techpowerup review has been the only site to show the improvements that people see in the 660Ti. However the 7950 has show its power since the very beginning.

    I currently have a Sapphire 7950 and it has been an amazing card. Provided top notch FPS in any games that I've thrown at it. BF3, Planetside 2(since some of the optimizations), WoW, Dead Island, Minecraft, Firefall, and Guildwars 2. I've run almost every game on full graphics it is only my processor and my old ddr2 ram holding me back, which is changing shortly.

    My reason why I got the 7950; the overclock is amazing on these cards(not that I've needed it yet), the 3gig of vram is going to last for about 3-4 years at the rate video games are going(few are pushing 1.5gb of vram), and the fact that I can xfire it a year from now and be topnotch again.
  11. djangoringo said:
    Sure it is : http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/far_cry_3_graphics_performance_review_benchmark,6.html

    With "boost" still less two fps, people forget that the 660 ti also overlocks and can reach levels of a 670 gtx when overlocked...


    http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_660_Ti_Amp_Edition/31.html


    That's one game and within the line of error. Sigh.. Fanboys.
  12. I put more than one game, really more than a few ones and what most important it's the date of the test with the recent drivers.

    Even with the newest amd drivers, techpowerup :

    http://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_Performance/images/perfrel_1920.gif

    And that was without the new nvidia drivers 310.70/64 that boost the performance...the difference was in favor without for nvidia and in favor with new drivers for 2% for amd, nvidia has more percentile fps, more smoothness and better drivers now, hence the techreport review is right.
  13. thently said:



    That review is not accurate, there is most certainly issues with the test they did, it also seems to be the only review that shows the scores like that, maybe because of their new setup, Win8? I don't know but they need to revisit that revisit. :lol:


    Someone created this thread to talk about the review, but you can also check out the comments on the review itself, people who are far more technical than me are confused by the results aswell.
    http://www.overclock.net/t/1334760/the-tech-report-radeon-hd-7950-vs-geforce-gtx-660-ti-revisited/140


    As for what card, overall if you plan to OC I highly recommend the 7950.
  14. both cards perform almost the same unless the game is specifically tweak to favor one of the architecture. if you play at 1080p both will give you good result in most games. if you still can't decide which card to take try looking at the games that you play or specific features that you want. if cost really matter to you then you might want to go with whatever is cheaper to you
  15. Let me say this. I currently have (and love) an Nvidia card in my computer. So now that this is out of the way.

    AMD's new catalyst drivers have absolutely destroyed the Nvidia cards.

    Nvidia did release new drivers as well, and there were performance improvements, but they are marginal. The best improvements were on a few cards seeing 4% improvement in resolutions 1600p and higher.

    The 7950 has been seeing overclocks INTO overclocked 680 territory. Most 7950's no matter the quality, will give the user the ability to go at bare minimum, into the high range of 670 territory.

    The 7950 and the 660ti are both 300 dollar cards.

    You can crank out about 450$(sometimes MUCH more) worth of "nvidia power" on that 300$ 7950.

    People will rage at this. People will disagree. But the facts are the facts. Fanboys are just whiney and butthurt and have zero impact on the actual results.

    3 months ago, i would have said it's a tossup, and even leaned 660ti.

    Now. I'd reccomend a 7950 over a 670. Much less a chopped off 670 (660ti 192bit vs 670 256 bit, both 1344 cuda cores) You'll get 384 bit + 1700'ish stream processor cores on the 7950. And it shows.
  16. djangoringo said:
    Sure it is : http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/far_cry_3_graphics_performance_review_benchmark,6.html

    With "boost" still less two fps, people forget that the 660 ti also overlocks and can reach levels of a 670 gtx when overlocked...


    http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_660_Ti_Amp_Edition/31.html


    Yeah, and a 7950 can be overclocked past the 670, and the 680 (If done carefully enough).
    Your argument is invalid.
  17. 7950 hands down. Ive OC'd mine almost 20% and its trading blows with my friends 670 and beating it out on a few games.

    The three free games is awesome too. All three of them are some of the best games to come out this year for the PC imo.
  18. Just found a problem, the Sapphire 7950 DOES NOT fit in my case (it is 11.40inches), almost everyone is saying to go for the 7950 so should I get the MSI Twin Frozr 7950 (that card is 10.28inches). The difference between them is $20, so basically I am paying $20 extra so that it will fit in my case, is that worth it or should I go for the 660TI?
  19. Yeah Twin Frozr is a good cooler, just a little bit on the loud side when it goes under 100% load. Which Sapphire 7950 were you looking at? The Vapor-X or regular Dual X?
  20. This one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202006

    I looked at Sapphire's website and the boost version which is this one is 11inches long but then the non-boost version is around 10inch but I can't find it on newegg. So what should I do, pay $20 more for the MSI Twin Frozr 7950 or go for the 660Ti?
  21. JJ1217 said:
    Yeah Twin Frozr is a good cooler, just a little bit on the loud side when it goes under 100% load. Which Sapphire 7950 were you looking at? The Vapor-X or regular Dual X?



    Hes talking about the Dual X version it's on sale at NewEgg for $299USD and it has a $20 rebate, I just order one of those a few days ago.

    To OP, yeah go with the MSI.
  22. Actually the 660ti gtx is more cheaper for about 40$-50$ to 7950 boost (Msi Twinfrozr or Sapphire vapor-x), it goes for more than 300$.
    You can get a 660 ti good brand card for 269.99$ (comes with assassins creed 3) :

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125441

    Less power consumption, less heat, less noise and it fits and about same performance with better drivers and smoothness, percentile fps.
  23. djangoringo said:
    Actually the 660ti gtx is more cheaper for about 40$-50$ to 7950 boost (Msi Twinfrozr or Sapphire vapor-x), it goes for more than 300$.
    You can get a 660 ti good brand card for 269.99$ (comes with assassins creed 3) :

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125441

    Less power consumption, less heat, less noise and it fits and about same performance with better drivers and smoothness, percentile fps.



    If you wanna start tying in games the 7950 comes with 3, on top of that the 7950 OC like crazy, overall it's just the best bang for the buck currently.
  24. Ohh I can't decide! I have an OCZ 600w PSU, how much would I be able to overclock the 7950, would the 7950's 3GB give me a bigger advantage than the 660ti?
  25. Altiris said:
    Ohh I can't decide! I have an OCZ 600w PSU, how much would I be able to overclock the 7950, would the 7950's 3GB give me a bigger advantage than the 660ti?


    Well to be absolutely certain we need to know your PCs specs.

    As for the Vram really 3GBs isn't going to mean much unless you play at large resolutions but games are starting to use more as games advance.
  26. For the price/performance the 660 ti is the best bang for the buck, the 7950 costs more ~20%, doesn't have 20% advantage from the 660ti, like i said the difference will be minimal.
    Performance between the two (was used 7950 and a reference 660 ti : (i'm excluding overclocks, it's debatable with the two overclock the difference will be not much of what is...)

    http://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_Performance/images/perfrel.gif
  27. The 7950 does come with 3 free games, one being Far Cry 3. The GTX 660TI come with one game, that game being Assasins creed. Hmm, if I were to go for the 660TI is MSI TwinFrozr good?
  28. Twinfrozr is also good, but it's more expensive, it's 40$ more, performs about the same as the gigabyte one.
    But if you need the two games that amd offer, go with the sapphire vapor-x 7950 (it's the best 7950 out there, though you have to spend 329$, with rebate 309.99$).
    Also, what is your budget limit ?
  29. How much would I be able to upgrade the 7950 again? I usually buy Assassins creed every year when it goes on sale for $20. How much can I overclock the 7950 and how much can I overclock the GTX 660ti?
  30. I didn't even notice but you want to use AA? If so I hear that the 660ti doesn't handle AA very well, djangoringo if you have any insight it may help.
  31. 4x AA but only for one game, im satisfied how my 550ti handles it so idk.
  32. What resolution are you playing at?
  33. I am going with the AMD 7950, just a quick question, does the AMD 7950 driver have forced anti aliasing for games? Can I make a profile for a certain game so that when it opens up the Anti Aliasing goes to 4x?
  34. if you want to know how well GTX660 Ti handles AA then this article might help:

    http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/08/27/nvidia_geforce_gtx_660_ti_at_high_aa_settings_review/
  35. Altiris said:
    I am going with the AMD 7950, just a quick question, does the AMD 7950 driver have forced anti aliasing for games? Can I make a profile for a certain game so that when it opens up the Anti Aliasing goes to 4x?

    Good choice, well CCC has those options no guarantee it will work but you can use RadeonPro to do that and much more!(I recommend RadeonPro over CCC (Catalyst Control Center) when it comes to forcing anything as it's almost guaranteed to work) http://www.radeonpro.info/en-US/
  36. Altiris said:
    I am going with the AMD 7950, just a quick question, does the AMD 7950 driver have forced anti aliasing for games? Can I make a profile for a certain game so that when it opens up the Anti Aliasing goes to 4x?


    i haven't use radeon for a long time so i can't really say how the latest CCC handle such stuff but in the older days there are global setting for that. for examples if you force 4x MSAA from CCC it will be forced globally. as for nvidia you can set it globally or just individual games/program
  37. "[...]Our performance results were not too far apart in most of our gaming between the Radeon HD 7950 w/Boost and GALAXY GTX 660 Ti GC at high AA settings. We often found both video cards with fewer than 10% performance difference. We saw a few instances where the Radeon HD 7950 w/Boost was faster, and we even saw a few instances where the GALAXY GTX 660 Ti GC was faster at higher settings. So much for the extreme memory bandwidth advantage on the Radeon HD 7950."


    Like i said the 660 ti is underrated (people talk bad of the card cause of the 192 bit bus), it's lower price and power consumption/noise/heat and drivers makes a better card in my opinion vs 7950.
    AMD, though, came with a good marketing strategy by offering 3 games.
  38. renz496 said:
    i haven't use radeon for a long time so i can't really say how the latest CCC handle such stuff but in the older days there are global setting for that. for examples if you force 4x MSAA from CCC it will be forced globally. as for nvidia you can set it globally or just individual games/program


    With CCC it's hit or miss really, for some it works for other it doesn't, but we have another program that does work, thankfully.
  39. Alright so now I really can't decide. I read the 660TI runs BF3 better, I do play BF3 but rarely and the only game I put AA 4x on is on one game that isn't too demanding.
  40. with the latest catalyst BF3 performance for HD7k users has been improved. so you have nothing to worry about. just pick which ever you like. you can't go wrong with either card in term of gaming performance.
  41. So basically both of the cards are good, its not like one card will drastically be better than the other? Right now I want to try the 7950, I usually skip away from AMD cards because people are always saying they have "crap" drivers but many people now have said the 12.10/12.11 are pretty good. Reading reviews on the MSI 7950 TwinFrozr many people have gotten defected cards that make the temps idle to 65 C. Should I still go for it?
  42. I am going to go with the 7950 I think, I am going to be paying more money just so it fits in my case, I understand 7950 comes with 3 games but the only game id want to play would be Far Cry 3 but Id want AC3 more. Thanks for the help guys!
  43. if the problem is really a well known problem i dare to bet MSI must already get a fix to the problem for their latest batch of cards. if you still can't shake your feeling about it then try looking for other brand.
  44. Altiris said:
    So basically both of the cards are good, its not like one card will drastically be better than the other? Right now I want to try the 7950, I usually skip away from AMD cards because people are always saying they have "crap" drivers but many people now have said the 12.10/12.11 are pretty good. Reading reviews on the MSI 7950 TwinFrozr many people have gotten defected cards that make the temps idle to 65 C. Should I still go for it?



    If you're worried about the MSI card you could always get the http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202003 if it fits your case(card is 10.83"), you're good to go, they are basically the same price since the MSI doesn't have free shipping.

    Also something to note, you'll want to search forums for issues like that although reviews from stores can help you can't really know if it was user error or not, plus it may just be a fake review.

    Ah, renz496 has a good point they do indeed have different batches of cards generally because of issues like that, and I would hope MSI would have fixed it they generally have a pretty good reputation for good quality cards.
  45. 10.83 wont cut it, max size by case is 11inch and then my 24pin cable needs to fit through the side as well as my 8pin processor, I am not too tired about MSI anymore after what you have said and I just remembered the card I have now is MSI. I just can't decide what card I should go for, would the 3GB have an advantage, giving me more FPS in a game with AA 4x or does something in the 660TI catch up to it? I only bump up the AA to 4x for one game, otherwise I turn it. off
  46. what is your resolution? for single monitor situation i haven't seen 3GB over 2GB advantage right now though they say if you use lots of mods in game such as skyrim your VRAM will running out fast.

    for me i rarely use MSAA anymore. right now if i want AA i just enabled FXAA.
  47. 1600x900. On every game I turn AA off except for one which isnt hard to run for the most part. Just which is probably better for the most money? I understand for ME the 660TI is cheaper because I need to pay $20 to get the card that will fit in my case, so what I am asking is if the performance of the 7950 is worth $20 extra (I understand 7950 comes with 3 games but the only game I would actually play would be far cry 3).
  48. Okay so I noticed the Sapphire 7950 has a boost clock and the MSI Twin Frozr does not have a boost clock. Will there be a significant FPS difference?
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